Poor drafting now biting the Patriots in the butt?

[SVN]

Mark Ingram, the Saints cast off and underachiever? I don't think so. I think he fits well in their college wildcat/non-sustainable/RPO ******** offense for the moment, but he's not any better than Michel is right now. He just gets used and has better playcalling right now.

Joe Mixon? lmao

Melvin Gordon? The guy that held out and is overrated and will be out of LA next year?

Yeah, I am pretty sure James White is more a weapon than he is out of Wisconsin. NO one gameplans for fears freaking consistent, stable, but non impressive Melvin Gordon. NE has dismantled him with ease, for example, as have many teams and Ekeler easily replaced him

Poor argument.

I'll take 2 sets of 2 back sets with our HOF coach, O Line Coach and QB, thanks very much. Just because Brady and McD get into this over-analysis ******** every year like last year, doesn't mean NE has a weak batch of RBs.

We don't even see a Michel/White duo all the way down the field on a drive, using them for both running and passing, to offset how easy it is for the D to tell what the play is. But, we could use that and a Burkhead/Bolden duo in the same way. We literally have the health and personnel to do it and we don't do it. That's my point. AFC teams don't have RBs of this quality or depth. Period. I am not saying they are All Pro level, but that all of them can run inside, out and pass receive. It's a clear strength.

Brady has a responsibility to incoporate these things into he and McDs gameplans. They partially have a say in those. Don't be fooled.

Meawhile, Rivers throws to all his receivers and uses his RBs ,because he knows he needs them.

Not buying our OL personnel all decided to check out at once or the drop off from Andrews to Karras has been devastating. It's the lack of trust, which is wildly overrated, with all of the personnel at WR, Brady wanting to get familiar with Sanu as a new guy, and how all of this stuff gets lost in the shuffle.

It's not like these guys are injured and unable to function. Please.

Let me give you a hint: Do you see Ekeler subbed on and off constantly, or do you see him used on a drive all the way through?

McDaniels constant over-manipulation of personnel packages is the problem. They're tells to the D = Predictable As All Hell

Remember onto Cincinnati? What did they do? Committed to the run, ran it and rolled up their sleeves, and they didn't do it for one drive, settle for 3, and then ditch it the rest of the game either.

Wow .I didnt realize how much JMcD and brady have sucked over the yrs just like this yr. We got so lucky to win any games with these two bozos.

 

[DarrylS]

Interesting even though I get 3 shy...

 

[DarrylS]

Another graphic from Twitter.. interesting?? 65%+ of Pats players are homegrown.

 

[Scotty]

Never mind only 4 months or so until the 2020 draft and all will be solved

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I laughed when I read his argument. Very weak. I fell like Joe Mixon is like their WR John Ross. All the talent in the world, but very unimpressive or always dinged up.

You hear name, know the potential, but it just isn't there.

Your post reads like you're typing it blindfolded on a train but Mixon is unimpressive? Yea we couldn't use a guy like that.

 

[50-yard-line]

So if all the circumstances were completely different then they are all home runs. Lol

You sound like the guy who was married eight time but was still childless and curses his rotten luck in picking 8 barren women.

 

[luuked]

Another graphic from Twitter.. interesting?? 65%+ of Pats players are homegrown.

BUT THEY DRAFT AWFULLY. THIS YEAR IT FEELS DIFFERENT. DO YOUR JOB.

 

[203Pat]

You sound like the guy who was married eight time but was still childless and curses his rotten luck in picking 8 barren women.

How what I said correlates to that I will never know.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Excuse me, did you just compare Sony Michel to HOFer Roger Craig? That's a laughable comparison. Damien Harris not seeing a whiff of action when our main 2 RBs Michel and Burkhead averaged 2.0 ypc against the Chiefs is an indictment on Harris. Meaning he didn't even justify the draft selection if he can't see usage in a game where the Pats were rushing so poorly. Instead we could have used that pick on one of the many rookie WRs grabbing around 500+ yards in the NFL right now. Hmmm.

Meanwhile Chubb is sitting at 1280 yards rushing 7 TDs and 5.1 ypc.
Michel this season 653 yards 6 TDs and only 3.5 ypc.

Are we big enough to admit when BB makes mistakes at least? This reminds us of the Celtics decision to draft Olynyk over Antetokounmpo. Let's take what looks like a safer mediocre talent over a superstar talent. Yup well done!

What's even more baffling is having the best RB group in the conference (quality and depth) to the point Damien Harris (I think he will be good here), can't even get a whiff, and our HOF QB refuses to use a 2 back set, what SHOULD be the strength of the team on offense at this point of the season.

I've never seen a more balanced/talented RB group with experience and a varied batch of skills in the bag, buried to this degree when there is nary an injury to be seen anywhere.

Someone needs to show Brady of how Montana used Roger Craig and Wendell Tyler in 1984, and it's not like old man Francis was in his prime in 1984 at TE either.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What's even more baffling is having the best RB group in the conference (quality and depth) to the point Damien Harris (I think he will be good here), can't even get a whiff, and our HOF QB refuses to use a 2 back set, what SHOULD be the strength of the team on offense at this point of the season.

I've never seen a more balanced/talented RB group with experience and a varied batch of skills in the bag, buried to this degree when there is nary an injury to be seen anywhere.

Someone needs to show Brady of how Montana used Roger Craig and Wendell Tyler in 1984, and it's not like old man Francis was in his prime in 1984 at TE either.

This post should be put in a museum.

 

[50-yard-line]

How what I said correlates to that I will never know.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the Pats problems in drafting, particularly WRs is with the team, not the players.

 

[libra957]

I have no clue where this is even coming from. We're 10-3, won the superbowl last year. Can this team at least catch its breath before its next run? Who else has it better than us?

 

[Chris Stevenson]

No trent brown. LT is playing his 5th nfl game. And no gronk in the running game. Mason isnt playing well. JMcD can do better but this oline has lost 1 on 1 battles in critical times. They are down to their 3rd string center .Its no small thing .

What do you think is wrong with Mason? He can absolutely be better but I can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[mgteich]

Of course, Belichick makes mistakes. Chubb would have been a better choice that Michel.
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However, much of time, we are whining or using different standards than that used by Belichick.

For Belichick, a 2nd rounder (or any draftee) who doesn't contribute as a rookie isn't a bust or failure.

5 games ago, folks were debating how many past teams were better than the awesome 2019 teams. Folks were comparing this team to 2007. As I recall, 2007 was judged to have a bit better offense, and 2019 a much better defense. Folks were idiots or worse for suggesting that we might lose 2 of these last 3 games.
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BOTTOM LINE
There is a huge difference between the evaluation of whining posters and everyone else that evaluates the patriots. Folks not on this board think that we are a very strong team with all but a lock on the division, and favored to have a bye. As has been the case almost every year, we are one of 3 best team in the AFC.

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Are we big enough to admit when BB makes mistakes at least? .

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Bill could have rebuilt the offense in 2018.

2018 NFL draft

1 23 New England Patriots Isaiah Wynn OT Georgia
1 24 Carolina Panthers D. J. Moore WR Maryland
1 25 Baltimore Ravens Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina
1 26 Atlanta Falcons Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
1 27 Seattle Seahawks Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
1 28 Pittsburgh Steelers Terrell Edmunds S Virginia Tech
1 29 Jacksonville Jaguars Taven Bryan DT Florida
1 30 Minnesota Vikings Mike Hughes CB UCF
1 31 New England Patriots Sony Michel RB Georgia
1 32 Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson QB Louisville
2 33 Cleveland Browns Austin Corbett OT Nevada
2 34 New York Giants Will Hernandez G UTEP
2 35 Cleveland Browns Nick Chubb RB Georgia


2 picks with a chance at 4 studs. He missed on all 4.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

How the hell do you miss on all four of Jackson, Ridley, Moore, and Chubb? Not one of them stood out to you? They were stars in college whose tape ooozed star status. You pass on all 4?

6 superbowls but that’s some PISS poor scouting

 

[203Pat]

Maybe, just maybe, some of the Pats problems in drafting, particularly WRs is with the team, not the players.

Yes it must be the team that’s won 6 Super Bowls that’s the problem. Not the players who never seem to catch on in New England or anywhere else.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Bill could have rebuilt the offense in 2018.

2018 NFL draft

1 23 New England Patriots Isaiah Wynn OT Georgia
1 24 Carolina Panthers D. J. Moore WR Maryland
1 25 Baltimore Ravens Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina
1 26 Atlanta Falcons Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
1 27 Seattle Seahawks Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
1 28 Pittsburgh Steelers Terrell Edmunds S Virginia Tech
1 29 Jacksonville Jaguars Taven Bryan DT Florida
1 30 Minnesota Vikings Mike Hughes CB UCF
1 31 New England Patriots Sony Michel RB Georgia
1 32 Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson QB Louisville
2 33 Cleveland Browns Austin Corbett OT Nevada
2 34 New York Giants Will Hernandez G UTEP
2 35 Cleveland Browns Nick Chubb RB Georgia


2 picks with a chance at 4 studs. He missed on all 4.

Idk I can't do all the work for you guys, eventually you have to either learn or just listen to Bacon.
RD 1 RBs: Barkley, Penny, Sony

TEs too besides Evan Engram. Ravens really selected a 30 yo TE that's not even the best on his team before Jackson (QB)

 

[50-yard-line]

Yes it must be the team that’s won 6 Super Bowls that’s the problem. Not the players who never seem to catch on in New England or anywhere else.

Well, now we've come full circle.

With WRs, I think is exactly that - and I think Brady recently admitted it. He doesn't like rookie WRs. He's been pretty clear about that. The system they run sucks for rookies, and the quarterback shows no in-game patience for rookie mistakes.

Ready? Since 2010, here are the Pats' WR draft picks:

Braxton Berrios - 6th round, 210 overall
Devin Lucien - 7th round, 225 overall
Malcolm Mitchell - 4th Round, 112 overall
Jeremy Gallon - 7th Round, 244th overall
Aaron Dobson - 2nd Round, 54th overall
Josh Boyce - 4th Round, 102nd overall
Jeremy Ebert - 7th Round, 235 overall
Taylor Price - 3rd Round, 90th overall

Dobson had 519 yards (43/game) in 12 games (hurt his foot, remember?) his first year with the Pats. Compare that to most rookies and it's hardly bad. He came back late the next year and got hurt again.

He started the third year by getting 7/87 in week 2 in a tough game against Buffalo, then, surprise, got hurt again and was IR'd, then cut the following year.

Injuries happen, unpredictably. Other than Dobson (and Harry this year), where have you seen the Pats draft high for WR? Price at 90 was a bust, yep.

This team in the second half (at least) of Brady's career, simply doesn't develop WRs. They just don't. They look for bargains in FA/Trade and go from there.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Excuse me, did you just compare Sony Michel to HOFer Roger Craig? That's a laughable comparison. Damien Harris not seeing a whiff of action when our main 2 RBs Michel and Burkhead averaged 2.0 ypc against the Chiefs is an indictment on Harris. Meaning he didn't even justify the draft selection if he can't see usage in a game where the Pats were rushing so poorly. Instead we could have used that pick on one of the many rookie WRs grabbing around 500+ yards in the NFL right now. Hmmm.

Meanwhile Chubb is sitting at 1280 yards rushing 7 TDs and 5.1 ypc.
Michel this season 653 yards 6 TDs and only 3.5 ypc.

Are we big enough to admit when BB makes mistakes at least? This reminds us of the Celtics decision to draft Olynyk over Antetokounmpo. Let's take what looks like a safer mediocre talent over a superstar talent. Yup well done!

Umm, no I didn’t compare Roger Craig to Sony Michel, but I do think Burkhead’s hard running style and pass catching skills mirror the former Cornhusker.

Reading comprehension does not appear to be a strong suit here.

Yes, let us keep all of our RBs on the bench so Brady can stare down Edelman in double coverage all year.

Awesome qb play.