Poor drafting now biting the Patriots in the butt?

[VJCPatriot]

I'm going to go over the Patriots drafts over the past 5 years and state what players are still with the Patriots and in an active role.

2019 draft class 10 picks
WR N'Keal Harry, DE Chase Winowich, P Bailey, QB Stidham. Active.
CB Joejuan Williams, RB Harris, OL Froholdt. Inactive/IR.

2018 draft class 9 picks
OL Isaiah Wynn, RB Sony Michel, LB Bentley, TE Izzo

2017 draft class 4 picks
DL Deatrich Wise

2016 draft class 9 picks
OL Joe Thuney, OL Ted Karras, LB Elandon Roberts

2015 draft class 12 picks
OL Shaq Mason, LS Joe Cardona

2014 draft class 9 picks
RB James White

Looking back, the draft years of 2017, 2015, and 2014 look especially bare as the Patriots were 1/4, 2/12, and 1/9 respectively in drafting players who could even stick to the roster.

2019 class. The Patriots already have made some notable misses in terms of WR. Harry has not looked good, but he's a rookie coming off injury. Joejuan Williams is essentially a healthy scratch or DNP each game, and Harris is on IR.

2018 class. Do we really need to go over Chubb vs Michel. This issue is only so agonizing because Michel is having his worst year while Chubb is among the league leaders. It painfully brings to mind Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Kelly Olynyk draft decision by the Celtics.

The Pats have always managed to do more with less. But the cupboards look extremely bare right now on offense. We never got a bona fide tight end replacement, and Izzo is not the answer there. Our WRs outside of Edelman, whom we drafted 10 years ago have no clue how to properly get open and run the offense.

The Pats are particularly adept at trading for players to patch holes, but this year seems to have been the rare miss, Sanu for a 2nd rounder does not remind us of Welker for the same bounty. Who pays the price, Tom Brady, our offense, and our hopes of playoff advancement.

We are now finally paying the price for poor drafting over the past 5 years. Our rate of success was very low from 2017-2014. I count us only hitting on 1 pick per draft. Hmm does a long snapper count? I guess they do, so that's 2 in 2015.

And the past 2 years the players we picked up look nothing special. In fact one can argue that the punter was the best pick of the lot, which means you're in serious trouble.

EDIT: I was wrong Jordan Richards is finally out. What a horrible 2nd round reach he was.
Added Ted Karras and Elandon Roberts to 2016 class. They are only 2nd stringers but provide depth. Unfortunately if they are called upon to start, then we're in trouble.
Added LS Joe Cardona to 2015 class.

 

[borg]

Truth

 

[FCB02062]

Hard to argue w this...drafting hasn't yielded anyone of "impact" player status on either side of the ball in last 5 drafts w exception of perhaps James White...and 6 impactful games from Sony Michel out of 31....

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Talking about the number of picks is meaningless without looking at the rounds.

 

[Sciz]

Jordan Richards isn’t on the roster. He is a combined 10-0 this season, though.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Overall drafting has been very good. I had concerns about this in the 2018 offseason, but a lot of players have come through since then. Also you can add Malcolm Butler, JC Jackson, Jonathan Jones, David Andrews and Jakobi Meyers. Drafted or not, they were obtained during the draft process as rookies.

Failure to develop skill players for years and years is the real problem and no need to overanalyze.

With the exception of Malcolm Mitchell (who had injury concerns and whose early exit wasn’t shocking), the failure to draft a long-term receiver in TEN years is a huge problem. Edelman - who basically didn’t even pan out until his extension, and before that Branch and Patton way, way back in the early 2000s, are three players in almost TWENTY years they’ve obtained via draft. The team has had to rely on veteran free agents, which is risky on a year-to-year basis, like Russian Roulette.

Tight end is a head scratcher. They haven’t even drafted anyone there with any potential since 2010. They don’t need another Gronk but just someone who is adequate. I can’t believe they haven’t seen a single TE they’ve liked at all in all this time. This is a team that used first round picks on Watson and Graham. Kind of baffling.

 

[BelichickFan]

(Jordan Richards is now on the Ravens, not the Patriots).

You're clearly correct, our drafting has been horrendous. It's offset somewhat by great UDFA signings like David Andrews, JC Jackson, Jonathan Jones and Adam Butler but the drafting is disgustingly bad. And not all second guessing. I hate the Michel pick immediately in addition to having no idea why they took Harris over Knox. Oh yeah, and stupid Duke Dawson over Mark Andrews - that was clearly weird at the time too.

 

[TB_Helmet]

I'm going to go over the Patriots drafts over the past 5 years and state what players are still with the Patriots and in an active role.

2019 draft class 10 picks
WR N'Keal Harry, DE Chase Winowich, P Bailey, QB Stidham. Active.
CB Joejuan Williams, RB Harris, OL Froholdt. Inactive/IR.

2018 draft class 9 picks
OL Isaiah Wynn, RB Sony Michel, LB Bentley, TE Izzo

2017 draft class 4 picks
DL Deatrich Wise

2016 draft class 9 picks
OL Joe Thuney

2015 draft class 12 picks
OL Shaq Mason, DB Jordan Richards

2014 draft class 9 picks
RB James White

Looking back, the draft years of 2016, 2015, and 2014 look especially bare as the Patriots were 1/9, 2/12, and 1/9 respectively in drafting players who could even stick to the roster.

2019 class. The Patriots already have made some notable misses in terms of WR. Harry has not looked good, but he's a rookie coming off injury. Joejuan Williams is essentially a healthy scratch or DNP each game, and Harris is on IR.

2018 class. Do we really need to go over Chubb vs Michel. This issue is only so agonizing because Michel is having his worst year while Chubb is among the league leaders. It painfully brings to mind Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Kelly Olynyk draft decision by the Celtics.

The Pats have always managed to do more with less. But the cupboards look extremely bare right now on offense. We never got a bona fide tight end replacement, and Izzo is not the answer there. Our WRs outside of Edelman, whom we drafted 10 years ago have no clue how to properly get open and run the offense.

The Pats are particularly adept at trading for players to patch holes, but this year seems to have been the rare miss, Sanu for a 2nd rounder does not remind us of Welker for the same bounty. Who pays the price, Tom Brady, our offense, and our hopes of playoff advancement.

We are now finally paying the price for poor drafting over the past 5 years. Our rate of success was very low from 2017-2014. I count us only hitting on 1 pick per draft, and no Jordan Richards who barely plays doesn't really count even if he is taking up a roster spot.

And the past 2 years the players we picked up look nothing special. In fact one can argue that the punter was the best pick of the lot, which means you're in serious trouble.

PS How does Jordan Richards still have a roster spot. Does he hold incriminating photos of BB at a 'beauty spa'?

You're missing Elandon Roberts from 2016, and also Ted Karras from that draft didn't play this week but has filled in at center all year. There are some other issues with this analysis but let's start there.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Jordan Richards isn’t on the roster. He is a combined 10-0 this season, though.

Thanks for the correction. I'll fix that now.

 

[DaBruinz]

You might want to go back to the 2016 draft. You missed a few.

Elandon Robert, Ted Kerras, Jacoby Brissette.

 

[BelichickFan]

Overall drafting has been very good.

Lol, no it hasn't.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Lol, no it hasn't.

Lol, yes it has.

 

[TB_Helmet]

You might want to go back to the 2016 draft. You missed a few.

Elandon Robert, Ted Kerras, Jacoby Brissette.

While Jacoby isn't on the team anymore, you can make a case that if you draft someone and trade him or lose him in free agency and he's starting for another team, it was a successful pick.

 

[Jimke]

I'm going to go over the Patriots drafts over the past 5 years and state what players are still with the Patriots and in an active role.

2019 draft class 10 picks
WR N'Keal Harry, DE Chase Winowich, P Bailey, QB Stidham. Active.
CB Joejuan Williams, RB Harris, OL Froholdt. Inactive/IR.

2018 draft class 9 picks
OL Isaiah Wynn, RB Sony Michel, LB Bentley, TE Izzo

2017 draft class 4 picks
DL Deatrich Wise

2016 draft class 9 picks
OL Joe Thuney

2015 draft class 12 picks
OL Shaq Mason

2014 draft class 9 picks
RB James White

Looking back, the draft years of 2016, 2015, and 2014 look especially bare as the Patriots were 1/9, 1/12, and 1/9 respectively in drafting players who could even stick to the roster.

2019 class. The Patriots already have made some notable misses in terms of WR. Harry has not looked good, but he's a rookie coming off injury. Joejuan Williams is essentially a healthy scratch or DNP each game, and Harris is on IR.

2018 class. Do we really need to go over Chubb vs Michel. This issue is only so agonizing because Michel is having his worst year while Chubb is among the league leaders. It painfully brings to mind Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Kelly Olynyk draft decision by the Celtics.

The Pats have always managed to do more with less. But the cupboards look extremely bare right now on offense. We never got a bona fide tight end replacement, and Izzo is not the answer there. Our WRs outside of Edelman, whom we drafted 10 years ago have no clue how to properly get open and run the offense.

The Pats are particularly adept at trading for players to patch holes, but this year seems to have been the rare miss, Sanu for a 2nd rounder does not remind us of Welker for the same bounty. Who pays the price, Tom Brady, our offense, and our hopes of playoff advancement.

We are now finally paying the price for poor drafting over the past 5 years. Our rate of success was very low from 2017-2014. I count us only hitting on 1 pick per draft.

And the past 2 years the players we picked up look nothing special. In fact one can argue that the punter was the best pick of the lot, which means you're in serious trouble.

EDIT: I was wrong Jordan Richards is finally out.

 

[Jimke]

I'm going to go over the Patriots drafts over the past 5 years and state what players are still with the Patriots and in an active role.

2019 draft class 10 picks
WR N'Keal Harry, DE Chase Winowich, P Bailey, QB Stidham. Active.
CB Joejuan Williams, RB Harris, OL Froholdt. Inactive/IR.

2018 draft class 9 picks
OL Isaiah Wynn, RB Sony Michel, LB Bentley, TE Izzo

2017 draft class 4 picks
DL Deatrich Wise

2016 draft class 9 picks
OL Joe Thuney

2015 draft class 12 picks
OL Shaq Mason

2014 draft class 9 picks
RB James White

Looking back, the draft years of 2016, 2015, and 2014 look especially bare as the Patriots were 1/9, 1/12, and 1/9 respectively in drafting players who could even stick to the roster.

2019 class. The Patriots already have made some notable misses in terms of WR. Harry has not looked good, but he's a rookie coming off injury. Joejuan Williams is essentially a healthy scratch or DNP each game, and Harris is on IR.

2018 class. Do we really need to go over Chubb vs Michel. This issue is only so agonizing because Michel is having his worst year while Chubb is among the league leaders. It painfully brings to mind Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Kelly Olynyk draft decision by the Celtics.

The Pats have always managed to do more with less. But the cupboards look extremely bare right now on offense. We never got a bona fide tight end replacement, and Izzo is not the answer there. Our WRs outside of Edelman, whom we drafted 10 years ago have no clue how to properly get open and run the offense.

The Pats are particularly adept at trading for players to patch holes, but this year seems to have been the rare miss, Sanu for a 2nd rounder does not remind us of Welker for the same bounty. Who pays the price, Tom Brady, our offense, and our hopes of playoff advancement.

We are now finally paying the price for poor drafting over the past 5 years. Our rate of success was very low from 2017-2014. I count us only hitting on 1 pick per draft.

And the past 2 years the players we picked up look nothing special. In fact one can argue that the punter was the best pick of the lot, which means you're in serious trouble.

EDIT: I was wrong Jordan Richards is finally out. What a horrible 2nd round reach he was.

Unfortunately, with the current offensive problems, seven starters and three
special teams players becoming free agents, and limited 2020 salary cap space, the Pats
will have to rely heavily on the draft to fill many of these holes.

 

[patsinthesnow]

It's really 2017+ & not 2014-2016.

2014

• Stork played well in a SB season
• Garoppolo won 2 games in 2016 & netted the 43rd pick in the 2018 draft
• James White no explanation needed
• Malcolm Butler UDFA - SB hero & 2018 3rd round comp pick

2015

• Trey Flowers great DE, SB hero (2016) & 2020 3rd round comp pick
• Shaq Mason elite RG prior to this season
• David Andrews UDFA - great center
• Malcolm Brown two good seasons

2016

• Joe Thuney elite LG
• Jacoby Brissett turns into Philip Dorsett who came up big during the 2018 SB run
• Malcolm Mitchell productive 2016 season & SB
• Elandon Roberts depth ILB & Karras capable C
• Jonathan Jones UDFA - great slot CB

These drafts & UDFA classes are fine IMO. It's the last three classes that are holding the team back specifically on offense.

3rd round pick Antonio Garcia
3rd round pick Derek Rivers
1st round pick Sony Michel
1st round pick Isaiah Wynn
2nd round pick Duke Dawson
1st round pick N'Keal Harry
2nd round pick Joejuan Williams
3rd round pick Damien Harris
3rd round pick Chase Winovich
UDFA JC Jackson
UDFA Adam Butler

They need more from that group. No doubt about it. Currently they are getting a LT, a 2 down RB & a rotational OLB out of 9 top 100 picks the last few drafts

 

[Ladypatsfan]

I guess the folks who complained about our drafts are justified. This is part of the problem, but not all of our drafts were busts.

 

[VJCPatriot]

You're missing Elandon Roberts from 2016, and also Ted Karras from that draft didn't play this week but has filled in at center all year. There are some other issues with this analysis but let's start there.

Added Karras and Roberts to 2016 class. Thanks for correction.

 

[DarrylS]

Jimmy Garrapolo (14) and Jacoby Brissett (16) say hi...

Note to all, the draft is roll of the dice sometimes any team wins and many times they lose.. when you pick at the end of every round, the pickings a slimmer..

 

[TB_Helmet]

Also look at 2015.

Round 1: Malcom Brown. He was fine, very good at times, won titles with us, walked after his rookie deal
Round 2: Jordan Richards. Bust, but still in the league
Round 3: Grissom. Bust
Round 4: Trey Flowers. One of the best players at his position last year, won titles, walked.
Round 4: Tre' Jackson. Bust (injury? I forget)
Round 4: Shaq Mason: despite this year's play, he's a hit
Round 5: Joe Cardona. Still on the team. You left him off your list for some reason
Round 6: Wells, Derby. Misses. Can't call round 6 picks a bust.
Round 7: Darryl Roberts. Still in the league. That's a hit for a round 7 pick.
Round 7: ****son. I don't know who that is.

So that's 5 hits out of 11 picks in 2015, 3 of the misses were round 6-7. You only list one of these five hits in your post, where you also said we had 12 picks and don't even list a player who is still on the team.

Sloppy analysis OP!