Poor drafting now biting the Patriots in the butt?

[Deus Irae]

Overall drafting has been very good.

Not even close to accurate

 

[VJCPatriot]

I'm only analyzing the players who are still on the team. But thanks for the catch there with Joe Cardona. It's kind of easy to miss the long snapper. Not exactly a glory position. But yes he's on the team. I'll add him now.

 

[FCB02062]

You might want to go back to the 2016 draft. You missed a few.

Elandon Robert, Ted Kerras, Jacoby Brissette.

Yes, because Ted Karras and Elandon Roberts are difference makers on the 2019 Patriots...two JAGs

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Not even close to accurate

Accurate.

 

[TB_Helmet]

I'm only analyzing the players who are still on the team. But thanks for the catch there with Joe Cardona. It's kind of easy to miss the long snapper. Not exactly a glory position. But yes he's on the team. I'll add him now.

Well if the subject is "Poor drafting biting the Patriots in the butt", it doesn't seem fair to omit players who were drafted and played major roles in two or three titles with us and then left for more money elsewhere. That wasn't a drafting problem at all and it makes your list of draft picks in the OP look much worse than it really is.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Unfortunately, with the current offensive problems, seven starters and three
special teams players becoming free agents, and limited 2020 salary cap space, the Pats
will have to rely heavily on the draft to fill many of these holes.

Yes and they're going to have to draft a lot better to adequately fill those needs. The good news is they used to be good at picking OL historically speaking. But TE and WR not so much outside of the Gronk/Hernandez picks which happened 9 years ago and Edelman 10 years ago respectively.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Well if the subject is "Poor drafting biting the Patriots in the butt", it doesn't seem fair to omit players who were drafted and played major roles in two or three titles with us and then left for more money elsewhere. That wasn't a drafting problem at all and it makes your list of draft picks in the OP look much worse than it really is.

It's outside the scope of the original post. But certainly fair territory for you to bring up additional analysis in support of your position. IE feel free to bring up additional information in the discussion of the Patriots drafts. I mean the info is out there, feel free to articulate it.

In terms of players who impact the roster NOW however, we are feeling the results of the past 5 years of drafting, isn't that true?

 

[Deus Irae]

Accurate.

It's true that my post is accurate. It's also true that your post, the one being quoted, was laughably wrong.

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It's true that my post is accurate. It's also true that your post, the one being quoted, was laughably wrong.

Thanks for the confirmation.

It’s true that you’ve never lost an argument.

 

[IllegalContact]

The Patriots have 31 of their own draft picks on their current roster.......the Chiefs have 19......the Ravens have 28

people need to stop soiling themselves

 

[oldrover]

So TB is the GOAT, BB the coach is the GOAT, and BB the GM is the...

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Our last three first round picks....

NKeal Harry
Isiah Wynn
Sony Michel

Players we passed on in those selected spots

Lamar Jackson
Calvin Ridley
DJ Moore
Nick Chubb
DK Metcalf
Aj Brown
Deebo Samuel

 

[TB_Helmet]

It's outside the scope of the original post. But certainly fair territory for you to bring up additional analysis in support of your position. IE feel free to bring up additional information in the discussion of the Patriots drafts. I mean the info is out there, feel free to articulate it.

In terms of players who impact the roster NOW however, we are feeling the results of the past 5 years of drafting, isn't that true?

OK I'll stop being snarky because you are putting a good effort forth and I appreciate it.

My thoughts: 2014 and 2015 drafts are no longer relevant for the purposes of how it impacts this current team since their rookie deals are done. 2015 in particular was a very good draft though.

2016 we had our #1 draft pick stolen from us so our first pick wasn't until the end of the second round. Cyrus Jones was a whiff but Thuney was a hit, Brissett is a starting QB and got us Dorsett (who isn't great, but that's not Brissett's fault), and we also hit on Roberts and Karras in late rounds, and Malcolm Mitchell helped us win a Super Bowl and I believe he would have been a really good WR if he had stayed healthy, so I think he was a good pick.

2017 we traded our top two picks. I'd actually count Wynn as being from that draft due to how the trades worked out. But I agree that the 2017 draft is not contributing that much to this team.

2018 is really where you can point fingers if you want. Really it all revolves around Michel not contributing which is a shame. As far as 2019, Harry hasn't done anything yet, although I think the jury is still out on him. It's tough to kill 2019 defensive draft picks like Winovich (who's played fine) and Williams given how good the defense has played. They're not the problem IMO.

So in conclusion, I think it's fair to say that 2016 was fine, but 2017 - 2019 drafting hasn't been great with some exceptions, and if we had maybe 2 or 3 more successful picks then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[Deus Irae]

So TB is the GOAT, BB the coach is the GOAT, and BB the GM is the...

Drafting tends to be somewhat hit or miss. In this case, it's also been saddled with the loss (for whatever reasons) of first round picks. But the reality is that recent drafting has been a problem. Even the extremist fans on both ends of the +/- spectrum should be able to understand and accept that. Sadly, that latter part seems to be problematic on internet boards, even though I've never really found it to be so when people are engaging in real life discussions.

The drafting has been an issue for a while now, just as it dipped in the mid-late years of the previous decade, before rebounding.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

The Patriots have 31 of their own draft picks on their current roster.......the Chiefs have 19......the Ravens have 28

people need to stop soiling themselves

How many of those draft picks are actually contributing compared to Ravens and KC.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It's really 2017+ & not 2014-2016.

2014

• Garoppolo won 2 games in 2016 & netted the 43rd pick in the 2018 draft

I'm not going to discuss UDFAs as they are not draft picks. IE this is discussing the Patriots drafts over the past 5 years. By definition UDFAs are not draftees.

Drafting Garappolo with a 2nd and parlaying him into Duke Dawson who got cut is not an impressive return on draft capital. And that's why I chose to discuss players who are still on the team. Only James White remains from the 2014 draft and he stands out as the best pick of the lot. But also the only one who stuck on the roster.

2015

• Trey Flowers great DE, SB hero (2016) & 2020 3rd round comp pick

Two words for Flowers current roster impact - none yet. It depends on who we select in 2020.
Shaq Mason 'was' an elite guard. Not sure why he has regressed. Is it due to an undisclosed injury or is he trying to do too much to compensate for the crappy play of the rest of the OL?

• 2016

• Joe Thuney elite LG
• Jacoby Brissett turns into Philip Dorsett who came up big during the 2018 SB run
• Malcolm Mitchell productive 2016 season & SB
• Elandon Roberts depth ILB & Karras capable C

Thuney was an elite OL. But none of our OL are playing at an elite level this year. Maybe someone can dig deeper into what's going on there.

Let's be real - Roberts, and Karras are JAG level or second stringers at best.
Malcolm Mitchell washed out after flashing potential in his first year. Most of it is probably due to injury, but as some say, durability is also a talent. 3/9 isn't terrible but none of them are impact players.

Trades such as Brissett are not analyzed because this is a draft discussion but if you really want to get into it Dorsett is a JAG level performer at best.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

OK I'll stop being snarky because you are putting a good effort forth and I appreciate it.

My thoughts: 2014 and 2015 drafts are no longer relevant for the purposes of how it impacts this current team since their rookie deals are done. 2015 in particular was a very good draft though.

2016 we had our #1 draft pick stolen from us so our first pick wasn't until the end of the second round. Cyrus Jones was a whiff but Thuney was a hit, Brissett is a starting QB and got us Dorsett (who isn't great, but that's not Brissett's fault), and we also hit on Roberts and Karras in late rounds, and Malcolm Mitchell helped us win a Super Bowl and I believe he would have been a really good WR if he had stayed healthy, so I think he was a good pick.

2017 we traded our top two picks. I'd actually count Wynn as being from that draft due to how the trades worked out. But I agree that the 2017 draft is not contributing that much to this team.

2018 is really where you can point fingers if you want. Really it all revolves around Michel not contributing which is a shame. As far as 2019, Harry hasn't done anything yet, although I think the jury is still out on him. It's tough to kill 2019 defensive draft picks like Winovich (who's played fine) and Williams given how good the defense has played. They're not the problem IMO.

So in conclusion, I think it's fair to say that 2016 was fine, but 2017 - 2019 drafting hasn't been great with some exceptions, and if we had maybe 2 or 3 more successful picks then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

This is fair, although we whiffed BIG time these past two drafts with All pro offensive level talent dropping to us late in the first round and the patriots TARGETING offensive players.

 

[Deus Irae]

OK I'll stop being snarky because you are putting a good effort forth and I appreciate it.

My thoughts: 2014 and 2015 drafts are no longer relevant for the purposes of how it impacts this current team since their rookie deals are done. 2015 in particular was a very good draft though.

2016 we had our #1 draft pick stolen from us so our first pick wasn't until the end of the second round. Cyrus Jones was a whiff but Thuney was a hit, Brissett is a starting QB and got us Dorsett (who isn't great, but that's not Brissett's fault), and we also hit on Roberts and Karras in late rounds, and Malcolm Mitchell helped us win a Super Bowl and I believe he would have been a really good WR if he had stayed healthy, so I think he was a good pick.

2017 we traded our top two picks. I'd actually count Wynn as being from that draft due to how the trades worked out. But I agree that the 2017 draft is not contributing that much to this team.

2018 is really where you can point fingers if you want. Really it all revolves around Michel not contributing which is a shame. As far as 2019, Harry hasn't done anything yet, although I think the jury is still out on him. It's tough to kill 2019 defensive draft picks like Winovich (who's played fine) and Williams given how good the defense has played. They're not the problem IMO.

So in conclusion, I think it's fair to say that 2016 was fine, but 2017 - 2019 drafting hasn't been great with some exceptions, and if we had maybe 2 or 3 more successful picks then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

When you count Brissett as a good draft pick, you make a mockery of your own analysis. And when you conveniently choose to ignore 2014 and 2015, you make that analysis even more of a mockery.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

2018 NFL draft

1 23 New England Patriots Isaiah Wynn OT Georgia
1 24 Carolina Panthers D. J. Moore WR Maryland
1 25 Baltimore Ravens Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina
1 26 Atlanta Falcons Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
1 27 Seattle Seahawks Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
1 28 Pittsburgh Steelers Terrell Edmunds S Virginia Tech
1 29 Jacksonville Jaguars Taven Bryan DT Florida
1 30 Minnesota Vikings Mike Hughes CB UCF
1 31 New England Patriots Sony Michel RB Georgia
1 32 Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson QB Louisville
2 33 Cleveland Browns Austin Corbett OT Nevada
2 34 New York Giants Will Hernandez G UTEP
2 35 Cleveland Browns Nick Chubb RB Georgia


This one will hurt for a while. Moore, Ridley, Chubb, Jackson are all pro talents. We missed on all 4

 

[VrabelJr]

It’s week 14 but some of the posters here are still in preseason form