Should the Pats have drafted DK Metcalf instead of N'Keal Harry?

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Can we discuss football players and draft picks without resorting to homerism?

Here are just the cold hard facts about the 2019 NFL draft so far this year:

#25 Marquise Brown 326 yards 3 TDs
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#32 N'Keal Harry 0 yards 0 TDs
#45 Joejuan Williams 3 games played 13% defensive snaps, 5 games DNP
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#51 AJ Brown 348 yards 3 TDs
#56 Mecole Hardman 374 yards 4TDs
#64 DK Metcalf 402 yards 4 TDs
#66 Diontae Johnson 296 yards 3 TDs
#76 Terry McLaurin 458 yards 5 TDs

So those are just the facts, man. Which draft picks made bigger impacts this year?
The Patriots wide receiver taken in the 1st round?
Or how about the Patriots cornerback taken early in the 2nd?

Have those later 2nd and 3rd round picks outperformed those earlier draft selections?
This pattern bears out over and over again. New England sucks at drafting WRs and CBs.

The Patriots could have easily traded down and got other players who would have made an impact this year. And if they really, really wanted Harry, they could have traded down from JJ Williams and taken you know, an actually productive wideout?

But the draft isn't about finding the guys that will have the biggest impact in their rookie seasons, and they aren't signed to one year deals.

Malcolm Butler went from not being part of the Super Bowl gameplan in 2014 to being the CB1 the following year. Our defense is historically great right now, but could look very different next season. Williams might play a critical role. As it stands right now, who should be benched to put him on the field?

As for Harry, of course I wish he had been playing before now. But this isn't a case of us passing on all the healthy WRs and we took a guy with a laundry list of past injuries. If I'm not mistaken, the one college game he missed was sitting out the bowl game after he declared for the draft. We didn't ignore red flags and we didn't reach for the guy. Some analysts were saying he'd end up being the best WR from this draft. I hope he plays on Sunday and I hope/expect to see why we took him in round 1. If that's homerism, then I'm guilty.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Can we discuss football players and draft picks without resorting to homerism?

Here are just the cold hard facts about the 2019 NFL draft so far this year:

#25 Marquise Brown 326 yards 3 TDs
================
#32 N'Keal Harry 0 yards 0 TDs
#45 Joejuan Williams 3 games played 13% defensive snaps, 5 games DNP
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#51 AJ Brown 348 yards 3 TDs
#56 Mecole Hardman 374 yards 4TDs
#64 DK Metcalf 402 yards 4 TDs
#66 Diontae Johnson 296 yards 3 TDs
#76 Terry McLaurin 458 yards 5 TDs

So those are just the facts, man. Which draft picks made bigger impacts this year?
The Patriots wide receiver taken in the 1st round?
Or how about the Patriots cornerback taken early in the 2nd?

Have those later 2nd and 3rd round picks outperformed those earlier draft selections?
This pattern bears out over and over again. New England sucks at drafting WRs and CBs.

The Patriots could have easily traded down and got other players who would have made an impact this year. And if they really, really wanted Harry, they could have traded down from JJ Williams and taken you know, an actually productive wideout?

Harry can make this all go away if he actually gets his *** on the field. With them being 4 deep at CB and 3/4 of them on cheap deals, Williams was a pointless pick. When exactly is this guy going to play? Should’ve double dipped at WR or taken a TE.

 

[Redman443]

Tomlinson released to make room for Harry.

 

[Triumph]

If Sony played for the browns, he would be irrelevant.

You cant talk to Sony like that.

 

[LJRomanoff]

Unsure, but look at the draft history for WRs... Not very good. Only 2 were Edelman and Branch. But that is over 17rs...

Mitchell
Givens

 

[Triumph]

Sony has a bad knee or knees. Not expected to play for that long in the NFL. THATS why I would not have drafted him. I said as much when the team did. That being said he did contribute mightily to the Super Bowl run and victory so you cannot criticize too much. Can Chubb catch the ball out of the backfield? Sony can't.

Sony needs to buy some Gronks cbd cream.

 

[Ring 6]

Can we discuss football players and draft picks without resorting to homerism?

Here are just the cold hard facts about the 2019 NFL draft so far this year:

#25 Marquise Brown 326 yards 3 TDs
================
#32 N'Keal Harry 0 yards 0 TDs
#45 Joejuan Williams 3 games played 13% defensive snaps, 5 games DNP
================
#51 AJ Brown 348 yards 3 TDs
#56 Mecole Hardman 374 yards 4TDs
#64 DK Metcalf 402 yards 4 TDs
#66 Diontae Johnson 296 yards 3 TDs
#76 Terry McLaurin 458 yards 5 TDs

So those are just the facts, man. Which draft picks made bigger impacts this year?
The Patriots wide receiver taken in the 1st round?
Or how about the Patriots cornerback taken early in the 2nd?

Have those later 2nd and 3rd round picks outperformed those earlier draft selections?
This pattern bears out over and over again. New England sucks at drafting WRs and CBs.

The Patriots could have easily traded down and got other players who would have made an impact this year. And if they really, really wanted Harry, they could have traded down from JJ Williams and taken you know, an actually productive wideout?

The patriots are 8-0. They couldn’t be better than they are right now so the first 8 games of those draft choices are irrelevant. The next 8, playoffs and future years will determine the success or failure of the picks.

 

[Ivan]

Harry is going to be a great player. I would take him over Metcalf every time.

 

[venecol]

I can't imagine another line as bad as this past Sunday's Patriots line, but fair enough.

Patriots have had bad OL in the last 20 years, yet that hasn't stopped them from having the most success in the league with 6 SB wins, etc., etc. Oh, and check out this chart with the pretty logos, its just amazing. So stop bad mouthing the team.

 

[venecol]

Tomlinson released to make room for Harry.

Where is Harry?

 

[shmessy]

Patriots have had bad OL in the last 20 years, yet that hasn't stopped them from having the most success in the league with 6 SB wins, etc., etc. Oh, and check out this chart with the pretty logos, its just amazing. So stop bad mouthing the team.

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Eh, I think that chart is just a figment of someone’s imagination. No team could ever be that dominant for 2 decades without an elite diva wide receiver.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Where is Harry?

He’s stretching out his hammy.

 

[shmessy]

Where is Harry?

Meeting Sally?

 

[holyredeemer]

Can we discuss football players and draft picks without resorting to homerism?

Here are just the cold hard facts about the 2019 NFL draft so far this year:

#25 Marquise Brown 326 yards 3 TDs
================
#32 N'Keal Harry 0 yards 0 TDs
#45 Joejuan Williams 3 games played 13% defensive snaps, 5 games DNP
================
#51 AJ Brown 348 yards 3 TDs
#56 Mecole Hardman 374 yards 4TDs
#64 DK Metcalf 402 yards 4 TDs
#66 Diontae Johnson 296 yards 3 TDs
#76 Terry McLaurin 458 yards 5 TDs

So those are just the facts, man. Which draft picks made bigger impacts this year?
The Patriots wide receiver taken in the 1st round?
Or how about the Patriots cornerback taken early in the 2nd?

Have those later 2nd and 3rd round picks outperformed those earlier draft selections?
This pattern bears out over and over again. New England sucks at drafting WRs and CBs.

The Patriots could have easily traded down and got other players who would have made an impact this year. And if they really, really wanted Harry, they could have traded down from JJ Williams and taken you know, an actually productive wideout?

It’s really hard for rookies to make an impact quickly here. This team, year in and year out is typically loaded with great talent. Makes it hard for rookies to break-in and get time. Throw in random injuries and it makes it even harder to crack the roster. I’ll wait a bit longer, maybe at least one full season before making snap judgements on the 2019 rookie class.

 

[holyredeemer]

Harry can make this all go away if he actually gets his *** on the field. With them being 4 deep at CB and 3/4 of them on cheap deals, Williams was a pointless pick. When exactly is this guy going to play? Should’ve double dipped at WR or taken a TE.

JMAC is year to year. JJ if I’m not mistaken, didn’t extend until after the draft. Chung is pretty damn solid but is an injury risk every game it seems. Also, Jojuan is built unlike any DB we have. Give him time to acclimate himself, and you’ve got a tool in your arsenal to matchup anywhere in the backfield. Doesn’t seem pointless to me.

 

[patfanken]

BTW- what happened to the "rewatch thread". I saw it there on Monday and now its gone. Was it a figment of my imagination or am I just not doing something right?

 

[TomPatriot]

Actually it was coach **** Rehbein who convinced BB to draft Brady.

Article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...10ce94-0820-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html

If not for this coach stepping up to bat for Brady, the Pats would have missed out on a HOF talent.

If not for Rehbein, we could have been stuck with Tim Rattay instead... *shudders*

6 Superbowl wins later, and we better be thankful everyday that the right call was made and someone was willing to speak up for a skinny, unheralded QB from Michigan.

Show me the NFL draft selection that isn’t a collaborative effort between scouts, player personnel departments, coaches and so on.

Plus, you need to read between the lines here and think a bit more about that story.

 

[SBLIII]

Harry can make this all go away if he actually gets his *** on the field. With them being 4 deep at CB and 3/4 of them on cheap deals, Williams was a pointless pick. When exactly is this guy going to play? Should’ve double dipped at WR or taken a TE.

when you actually care to take a look at the age of some of our defensive backs you will realize that this pick made a lot of sense.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

It’s really hard for rookies to make an impact quickly here. This team, year in and year out is typically loaded with great talent. Makes it hard for rookies to break-in and get time. Throw in random injuries and it makes it even harder to crack the roster. I’ll wait a bit longer, maybe at least one full season before making snap judgements on the 2019 rookie class.

Why/How this is so hard to understand I'll never know?

Yes let's break up the chemistry, sit one of the 4 CBs that have been playing out of their minds since last year. Just bc we drafted the same position early?

That's basically the opposite of the NEP approach. JJW could absolutely get run ... if he beat someone out. Rn he has Jones who's been our 2nd best CB. JMC who like another coach on the field. Jackson who's a legit playmaker & as confident as anyone. And obviously Gilly who might be CB1 in the entire league.

That's a great mix of guys who each bring something to the field every snap & complement each other really well.

Same w Wino when you look at who's in front of him.

Combine that w the fact that Bill, Brady etc require a ton of trust to get on the field & you can easily see the big picture.
This is a very talented, deep, balanced team that is more concerned w Jan/Feb then getting young guys some run for the sake of it.

 

[203Pat]

You're avoiding the question of comparing apples to lobster there........Both Gronk and Butler had played in the NFL system with the same team and teammates for over 40 games each before the single games in question. You compared THAT to drafting a college player.

It ain't the same and you know it.

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What I’m saying is homers have no issue with hypotheticals when it suits their homerism. Homers refuse to hypothetically swap in another teams good player for our average player because “you can’t say how he would do”.