Miami's Chambers to Chargers

[PatriotsReign]

I think Chambers puts them over the edge, the Chargers just rejoined the race. Indy, NE, Pitt and SD will decide who is champ this year.

Chambers is an above average receiver...that is all. He stood out on a far below average team, which doesn't say much.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Yes, we are all delusional and ignorant. Granted some fans may not be as familiar with him as y'all, as you see him much more frequently than us. But Chambers does fill a significant piece for us. Not the "final" piece, but a sizable one. And to say that it was an overpay, is being "ignorant" on your part. The quality of player received for a 2nd rounder (which will likely be made up upon M. Turner's departure) is small potatoes. Especially considering that one of our primary WRs is now on IR. It was a no-brainer. Now, should we have made a move during the off season for a WR? Sure, but that ship sailed. Giving up a 2nd rounder for the potential to stretch the field and make LT and Gates even more effective is nothing.

I find it amusing how Charger fans want to come here to read what we have to say about the Chambers acquisition. As if we're going to be concerned

Try getting some D-backs who can cover our receivers.

 

[sanvara]

Sanvara, why do you spend more time on the Patriots board than you on your own team's board? After your team got beat so bad, why would you come here at all?

To bug people like you.

Although unlike you, I am able to stay on topic. Why don't you just create a thread called "sanvara" and you can post further questions to me there.

 

[BoltsFan]

The Charger boards are INSANE on this trade. I think Chambers is a solid pick-up, especially since their WRs are, thus far, not-so-hot. But good LORD - they're proclaiming that he is the Final Piece and that he has, and I quote, "excellent hands."

They literally know NOTHING about this guy, and their attributing a skill-set to him that NOBODY in the NFL thinks, including Chambers himself. It's a good, solid move (an overpay, but still), but these people are freakin' jet-fan-level DELUSIONAL. Truly ignorant.

Dude? That's not exactly the case. I think some of you know me. I fully understand where my team is at and what Chambers means. Bottom line? He helps. He doesn't hurt. He was worth the 2nd we gave up for him. Period. What? SD should have felt assured about tossing a 1st or 2nd in the draft on a WR next year. Pffft.

There's not a pats fan on this board who understands my team better than I do. CC is a proven vet who has played big against NE and several other teams. He's been to a PB. His learning curve is definitely minimal. He's never been in the situ he's in now. Meaning he's not the only serious player on the Bolts.

You can all talk about his drops and his catch percentage as much as you like. I'm betting his drops go down and his catch pctg goes up. What then? I'm just saying I hope SD does the right thing and begins establishing his threat potential soonest. Because it's there.

 

[lander]

The Charger boards are INSANE on this trade. I think Chambers is a solid pick-up, especially since their WRs are, thus far, not-so-hot. But good LORD - they're proclaiming that he is the Final Piece and that he has, and I quote, "excellent hands."

They literally know NOTHING about this guy, and their attributing a skill-set to him that NOBODY in the NFL thinks, including Chambers himself. It's a good, solid move (an overpay, but still), but these people are freakin' jet-fan-level DELUSIONAL. Truly ignorant.

Calm down PatSox23. Most of us here in San Diego are taking the trade in stride. Nice pickup, should help Rivers, we'll wait and see.

 

[Deus Irae]

Dude? That's not exactly the case. I think some of you know me. I fully understand where my team is at and what Chambers means. Bottom line? He helps. He doesn't hurt. He was worth the 2nd we gave up for him. Period. What? SD should have felt assured about tossing a 1st or 2nd in the draft on a WR next year. Pffft.

There's not a pats fan on this board who understands my team better than I do. CC is a proven vet who has played big against NE and several other teams. He's been to a PB. His learning curve is definitely minimal. He's never been in the situ he's in now. Meaning he's not the only serious player on the Bolts.

You can all talk about his drops and his catch percentage as much as you like. I'm betting his drops go down and his catch pctg goes up. What then? I'm just saying I hope SD does the right thing and begins establishing his threat potential soonest. Because it's there.

I think the trade was a good deal for both teams, for different reasons. San Diego overpaid for Chambers, but they were desperate due to Parker going IR. This move helps them this year because Chambers, while not being a great receiver, will immediately become the best wide receiver the Chargers have and should help them in their quest for the playoffs.

Miami made out even better, though. They got rid of a receiver who doesn't fight for the ball enough and has bad hands to boot. And, in the process, they got a second round pick for a player who wasn't in the plans for the future. They'll probably continue to suck this season, but they'll have high draft as a result, an extra pick thanks to the trade, and a little more money to work with down the road.

 

[BoltsFan]

I think the trade was a good deal for both teams, for different reasons. San Diego overpaid for Chambers, but they were desperate due to Parker going IR. This move helps them this year because Chambers, while not being a great receiver, will immediately become the best wide receiver the Chargers have and should help them in their quest for the playoffs.

Miami made out even better, though. They got rid of a receiver who doesn't fight for the ball enough and has bad hands to boot. And, in the process, they got a second round pick for a player who wasn't in the plans for the future. They'll probably continue to suck this season, but they'll have high draft as a result, an extra pick thanks to the trade, and a little more money to work with down the road.

You should watch 05-06 Raider games. NOT highlights. Same could have been and was said about Moss. SD played Moss very tough those years and fully denied him. Just saying different players for different teams, different strokes for different folks.

Sheesh. The Dolphins haven't been all that for the whole time Chambers was there.

No WR makes or breaks a team.

 

[Deus Irae]

You should watch 05-06 Raider games. NOT highlights. Same could have been and was said about Moss. SD played Moss very tough those years and fully denied him. Just saying different players for different teams, different strokes for different folks.

Sheesh. The Dolphins haven't been all that for the whole time Chambers was there.

No WR makes or breaks a team.

I've lived in Florida for the entirety of Chambers' career, and spent many of my years here living in Miami. I know full well what you're getting. As I noted, the trade will help San Diego as they strive for the playoffs, but let's be serious here. Chambers has reached 1,000 yards in only one season his entire career. Now, maybe Chambers will suddenly become ferocious in his attempts to win the ball, and maybe he'll suddenly become much better at catching the football. But, if I were you knowing what I know, I wouldn't bet the ranch on it being something sustained. At this point in his career, it's far more likely that he is what he is.

Moss is a different animal, as you well know, and he serves to make my point for me. Even in 2005, where you're denigrating Moss, R.M. rang up over 1,000 yards (1,005 yards on 16.8 ypc) with Kerry Collins as his quarterback. In fact, he's never failed to reach 1,000 receiving in any season where he played a full 16 games. His 'struggles' in Oakland were really only confined to 1 season, when his head coach was Art Shell, his quarterback was part of a carousel, and he clearly didn't want to be there.

 

[BoltsFan]

I've lived in Florida for the entirety of Chambers' career, and spent many of my years here living in Miami. I know full well what you're getting. As I noted, the trade will help San Diego as they strive for the playoffs, but let's be serious here. Chambers has reached 1,000 yards in only one season his entire career. Now, maybe Chambers will suddenly become ferocious in his attempts to win the ball, and maybe he'll suddenly become much better at catching the football. But, if I were you knowing what I know, I wouldn't bet the ranch on it being something sustained. At this point in his career, it's far more likely that he is what he is.

Moss is a different animal, as you well know, and he serves to make my point for me. Even in 2005, where you're denigrating Moss, R.M. rang up over 1,000 yards (1,005 yards on 16.8 ypc) with Kerry Collins as his quarterback. In fact, he's never failed to reach 1,000 receiving in any season where he played a full 16 games. His 'struggles' in Oakland were really only confined to 1 season, when his head coach was Art Shell, his quarterback was part of a carousel, and he clearly didn't want to be there.

Yea, fair enough. But a key diff is that RM has actually been in situations where his potential could be exploited. CC actually hasn't. SD, even right now is the very best team he's ever been on. I think that matters. Time will tell...

 

[Deus Irae]

Yea, fair enough. But a key diff is that RM has actually been in situations where his potential could be exploited. CC actually hasn't. SD, even right now is the very best team he's ever been on. I think that matters. Time will tell...

That it will, and I'll be rooting for you to beat the Colts, so I hope he has at least one truly great game in him.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

I've lived in Florida for the entirety of Chambers' career, and spent many of my years here living in Miami. I know full well what you're getting. As I noted, the trade will help San Diego as they strive for the playoffs, but let's be serious here. Chambers has reached 1,000 yards in only one season his entire career. Now, maybe Chambers will suddenly become ferocious in his attempts to win the ball, and maybe he'll suddenly become much better at catching the football. But, if I were you knowing what I know, I wouldn't bet the ranch on it being something sustained. At this point in his career, it's far more likely that he is what he is.

Moss is a different animal, as you well know, and he serves to make my point for me. Even in 2005, where you're denigrating Moss, R.M. rang up over 1,000 yards (1,005 yards on 16.8 ypc) with Kerry Collins as his quarterback. In fact, he's never failed to reach 1,000 receiving in any season where he played a full 16 games. His 'struggles' in Oakland were really only confined to 1 season, when his head coach was Art Shell, his quarterback was part of a carousel, and he clearly didn't want to be there.

Yeah but how many QBs did Chambers have that ever threw for 3500 yards? How many new offensive systems did Chambers have to learn. The truth is that when he got good QB play and was settled into a comfort level in an offense, he was awesome. (See end of 2005 when he got Linehan's system down and Frerotte/Rosenfels played decent.)

 

[BoltsFan]

That it will, and I'll be rooting for you to beat the Colts, so I hope he has at least one truly great game in him.

Fair enough. :rocker:

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah but how many QBs did Chambers have that ever threw for 3500 yards? How many new offensive systems did Chambers have to learn. The truth is that when he got good QB play and was settled into a comfort level in an offense, he was awesome. (See end of 2005 when he got Linehan's system down and Frerotte/Rosenfels played decent.)

Look, I know you get wood thinking about every Dolphin player on the team, until they leave, but let's not go there. In Chambers' rookie season, Fiedler put up 3290 yards and the Dolphins were the #8 scoring offense in the league. Chambers averaged almost 18.5 yards per catch as a rookie. That's nothing to be ashamed of. In Chambers' second year, the Dolphins were 12th in scoring in the NFL and Fiedler combined with Lucas to put up over 3000 yards again. Even in 2003, the Dolphins managed to finish 17th in scoring offense before everything completely collapsed in 2004. The team bounced back offensively in 2005 (16th in scoring), and Chambers had his best season ever with Gus Frerotte throwing him the ball to the tune of over 1,000 yards. I'm not saying that Chambers is a terrible player. However, Chambers has always been timid and/or sloppy in battles for the football, and he's always had the bad hands.

Here's an older scouting report on him:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_37_226/ai_95206410

 

[BoltsFan]

Look, I know you get wood thinking about every Dolphin player on the team, until they leave, but let's not go there. In Chambers' rookie season, Fiedler put up 3290 yards and the Dolphins were the #8 scoring offense in the league. Chambers averaged almost 18.5 yards per catch as a rookie. That's nothing to be ashamed of. In Chambers' second year, the Dolphins were 12th in scoring in the NFL and Fiedler combined with Lucas to put up over 3000 yards again. Even in 2003, the Dolphins managed to finish 17th in scoring offense before everything completely collapsed in 2004. The team bounced back offensively in 2005 (16th in scoring), and Chambers had his best season ever with Gus Frerotte throwing him the ball to the tune of over 1,000 yards. I'm not saying that Chambers is a terrible player. However, Chambers has always been timid and/or sloppy in battles for the football, and he's always had the bad hands.

Here's an older scouting report on him:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_37_226/ai_95206410

So Deus you think SD actually achieved nothing and this trade didn't help to improve the WR corps? Assuming you understand our situ.

 

[Deus Irae]

So Deus you think SD actually achieved nothing and this trade didn't help to improve the WR corps? Assuming you understand our situ.

No, that is incorrect. I stated in a response to you earlier:

I think the trade was a good deal for both teams, for different reasons. San Diego overpaid for Chambers, but they were desperate due to Parker going IR. This move helps them this year because Chambers, while not being a great receiver, will immediately become the best wide receiver the Chargers have and should help them in their quest for the playoffs.

He's not a bad receiver, he's just not a great one. In New England, he'd probably be the #6 target, behind Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Watson and Faulk, but that's because New England is absolutely loaded this season. In Miami, he was forced to be the #1 or #2 option most of the time. In San Diego, as the #3 option, he should be a helpful addition as long as you accept his weaknesses. He's got the speed to stretch the field and that alone should help the Bolts improve their chances of getting to the playoffs. I just think that, given SD's high quality drafting of late, a #2 pick was overpaying. But, sometimes circumstances dictate that you do that.

 

[BoltsFan]

I think the trade was a good deal for both teams, for different reasons. San Diego overpaid for Chambers, but they were desperate due to Parker going IR. This move helps them this year because Chambers, while not being a great receiver, will immediately become the best wide receiver the Chargers have and should help them in their quest for the playoffs.

Miami made out even better, though. They got rid of a receiver who doesn't fight for the ball enough and has bad hands to boot. And, in the process, they got a second round pick for a player who wasn't in the plans for the future. They'll probably continue to suck this season, but they'll have high draft as a result, an extra pick thanks to the trade, and a little more money to work with down the road.

Didn't NE give up a 2nd AND a 7th for Welker? Am I mistaken there?

 

[Deus Irae]

Didn't NE give up a 2nd AND a 7th for Welker? Am I mistaken there?

Yes, and...?

 

[BoltsFan]

Yes, and...?

Well? Suggesting we overpaid for Chambers is a bit premature at the least, don't you think. Hell, as I'm sure you're aware, Miami poached Welker off of our PS.

 

[jcdavey]

Not to this degree, no. Not in this great a number. WAY more than half the board over there considers Chambers "all-pro" and/or a receiver with "excellent hands." Not a lot of actual football knowledge in SD. Not referring to you, of course.

half? i think some of them are just amazed the GM brought in someone NOT from the draft

you guys acted the same with moss even though the guy had quit trying most of his oakland career, and the end of his vikings career.

some of you acted like moss was a cancer, which he showed in oak and minn, and some of the charger fans said we shouldn't have given up a 2nd for chambers

it's being overblown when you act like half the chargers board thinks he has good hands or something, when more than likely it was stated by a person who has only ever seen the highlight reel grabs he's made

or better yet it was probably stated by the charger fan who wanted to boycot kraft mac and cheese because he thought the pats owner was that kraft haha


like i said, misinformed morons in every fanbase

the reason we gave up a 2nd is pretty simple, parker went on the IR today, there are no such things as coincidences

 

[jcdavey]

Sanvara, why do you spend more time on the Patriots board than you on your own team's board? After your team got beat so bad, why would you come here at all?

this is the kinda ******ed logic i'll never understand from you reign cause you're the same guy who will laugh and say "hey where are all the charger fans?!" after NE beats them

don't be ******ed, try and have a logical discussion

and not vs a bot