8/14 - Wednesday Pats/Titans Joint Session Thread

[rochrist]

He drops hawt takes but they are somewhat informed ones. I may not agree with everything he says but I think he does enough homework to formulate a somewhat credible opinion.

With that said hes seeing what 90% of the world is re: Brady/Meyers.

It's also an exaggeration of what he said. He made the comparison but immediately qualified it. Bedard is not the problem in our hawt taek media.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

As a ball buster, someone who loves ****in w people at work, I love this ****. Vrabel is that dude that doesn't stfu & you know has your back 24/7.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Action Jackson was in full effect today at practice with 3 INTs! Let’s just hope that action doesn’t continue to result in PI/holding calls when the games count. With that being said, keep up the good work J.C.

Same thing happened to Gilmore with holding but they can't call them all. Plus Jackson was a rookie and now he's not

 

[Wheelman]

 

[Mike the Brit]

Mistake, Mike, mistake ... what are you doing with that thing? Channelling your inner Jeff Fisher?

 

[Sicilian]

Action Jackson was in full effect today at practice with 3 INTs! Let’s just hope that action doesn’t continue to result in PI/holding calls when the games count. With that being said, keep up the good work J.C.

I remember in the Do Your Job special about Super Bowl 49, Belichick talked about the decision to bench Arrington halfway through for Butler. He talked about Arrington being a streaky player, where he'll be really good for a stretch, but then a few catches get made on him and he starts to lose technique, maybe get too tentative trying not to make a mistake and everything snowballs.

What I like about Jackson is he doesn't seem to have that. He'll get called for back to back PI's, and he doesn't lose aggressiveness. Now, if he never adjusts or learns to be more subtle, then it's a problem, but I feel like that will come naturally to him with experience; what can he get away with, where's the line, etc. So long as he doesn't lose his edge, I'm confident he's going to keep getting better and those calls will start to diminish.

 

[p8ryts]

Yup. 2015 was the posterchild year for injuries. Believe it or not, that team was 10-0 at Thanksgiving Edelman broke his foot in that 10th straight win and the wheels just fell off the team as DLewis had already torn his ACL a couple weeks before. From that point, the Pats went 2-4. Blount was put on IR after the Texans game 2 weeks later.

That was the year the Pats went into the playoffs with a RB corps that was a yet-emerged JWhite/Brandon Bolden and the Ghost of Steven Jackson. In the playoffs, Edelman was gamely limping on a foot held together by temporary screws.

.......and yet, they still ALMOST pulled off the AFCCG game against the Broncos in Denver, losing 20-18. That was perhaps, Brady's greatest game ever, given the circumstances. What he did with that OL and theat OL coach going AWOL on him while getting pounded over and over and over by Von Miller and perhaps one of the best D's this century is incredible. Von Miller, to this day, cannot believe how tough Brady was.

Can you IMAGINE - - it's not that far a reach to say this franchise could have been, at this very moment, gearing up for a 5-peat......

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yes, I thought this was an amazing game by Brady. Beset by an injured team, he was battered all game and still almost brought them back. Truly an amazing gutty effort.

 

[Bradyking12]

Yup. 2015 was the posterchild year for injuries. Believe it or not, that team was 10-0 at Thanksgiving Edelman broke his foot in that 10th straight win and the wheels just fell off the team as DLewis had already torn his ACL a couple weeks before. From that point, the Pats went 2-4. Blount was put on IR after the Texans game 2 weeks later.

That was the year the Pats went into the playoffs with a RB corps that was a yet-emerged JWhite/Brandon Bolden and the Ghost of Steven Jackson. In the playoffs, Edelman was gamely limping on a foot held together by temporary screws.

.......and yet, they still ALMOST pulled off the AFCCG game against the Broncos in Denver, losing 20-18. That was perhaps, Brady's greatest game ever, given the circumstances. What he did with that OL and theat OL coach going AWOL on him while getting pounded over and over and over by Von Miller and perhaps one of the best D's this century is incredible. Von Miller, to this day, cannot believe how tough Brady was.

Can you IMAGINE - - it's not that far a reach to say this franchise could have been, at this very moment, gearing up for a 5-peat......

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Injuries this decade has cost this team 4 SB titles,

2011 (Gronk)
2012 (Gronk)
2015 (Everyone)
2017 (Edelman/Hightower, with either or we win)

If not for injuries we would have 10 titles and it's not far fetched, with healthy Gronk we beat Giants in 2011, with healthy Gronk we beat Ravens in 2012 and 49ers in SB imo. A healthy team in '15 we Cleary beat Broncos and Panthers and with a healthy team in 2017 we Cleary beat the Eagles.

 

[1960Pats]

Injuries this decade has cost this team 4 SB titles,

2011 (Gronk)
2012 (Gronk)
2015 (Everyone)
2017 (Edelman/Hightower, with either or we win)

If not for injuries we would have 10 titles and it's not far fetched, with healthy Gronk we beat Giants in 2011, with healthy Gronk we beat Ravens in 2012 and 49ers in SB imo. A healthy team in '15 we Cleary beat Broncos and Panthers and with a healthy team in 2017 we Cleary beat the Eagles.

We probably won some SBs vs teams with injured players. Do those count for anything?

 

[Bradyking12]

We probably won some SBs vs teams with injured players. Do those count for anything?

Besides Todd Gurley which wouldn't have made a difference plus they had a full healthy team can't think of anyone.

 

[Bradyking12]

2001 Rams Healthy
2003 Panthers Healthy
2004 Eagles Healthy
2014 Seahawks Healthy
2016 Falcons Healthy
2018 Rams Healthy besides Gurley but they weren't a Gurley away from winning.

 

[shmessy]

Injuries this decade has cost this team 4 SB titles,

2011 (Gronk)
2012 (Gronk)
2015 (Everyone)
2017 (Edelman/Hightower, with either or we win)

If not for injuries we would have 10 titles and it's not far fetched, with healthy Gronk we beat Giants in 2011, with healthy Gronk we beat Ravens in 2012 and 49ers in SB imo. A healthy team in '15 we Cleary beat Broncos and Panthers and with a healthy team in 2017 we Cleary beat the Eagles.

I'm sorry, but for the most part, that's silly Every team has injuries to key players and can claim if they were injury free they would win every year.

2015 is the year that injuries were just egregious and an argument could be made. The other years is just whining.

In the meantime a couple of injuries shouldn't be the reason (half a full squad of them would be).

Gronk wasn't on the field after October during the 2016 championship season. But you list it as the reason for not winning in 2011 and 2012.

What you should REALLY do is look up what the Patriots did with their Secondary in 2004.

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[patriot1136]

Didn't we set or almost set a record for players on IR in 2015? Or I may be confused with a different year.

 

[Bradyking12]

I'm sorry, but for the most part, that's silly Every team has injuries to key players and can claim if they were injury free they would win every year.

2015 is the year that injuries were just egregious and an argument could be made. The other years is just whining.

In the meantime a couple of injuries shouldn't be the reason (half a full squad of them would be).

Gronk wasn't on the field after October during the 2016 championship season. But you list it as the reason for not winning in 2011 and 2012.

What you should REALLY do is look up what the Patriots did with their Secondary in 2004.

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2011/2012 Gronk and 2016 Gronk are not the same, peak Gronk was 2011/2012 had he been healthy would of been single handed reason we would of won back to back titles in '11 and '12.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Didn't we set or almost set a record for players on IR in 2015? Or I may be confused with a different year.

It was close I think. OL and RB especially.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

2001 Rams Healthy
2003 Panthers Healthy
2004 Eagles Healthy
2014 Seahawks Healthy
2016 Falcons Healthy
2018 Rams Healthy besides Gurley but they weren't a Gurley away from winning.

Just because TO had a good game in SB 39 doesn’t mean he was healthy.

2016 Falcons had a diminished Mack playing when he shouldn’t have due to injury.

2018 Rams offense went from lights out to merely good once they lost slot receiver Cooper Kupp, who was Goff’s safety valve.

2017 Eagles didn’t have their starting QB for heaven’s sake.

That’s just off the top of my head.

 

[patchick]

2001 Rams Healthy
2003 Panthers Healthy
2004 Eagles Healthy
2014 Seahawks Healthy
2016 Falcons Healthy
2018 Rams Healthy besides Gurley but they weren't a Gurley away from winning.

Every NFL season is shaped by injuries. Sure, the Patriots would have won some games they lost if they'd stayed healthy--and lost some games they won if their opponents miraculously spent a season injury-free. Then there's the Super Bowl they lost to a team that had already lost its starting quarterback....

And of course, "healthy" is relative by the end of the season. FWIW I spot-checked a few of the "healthy" teams you listed and they all had multiple starters on IR.

 

[jah]

2001 Rams Healthy
2003 Panthers Healthy
2004 Eagles Healthy
2014 Seahawks Healthy
2016 Falcons Healthy
2018 Rams Healthy besides Gurley but they weren't a Gurley away from winning.

Homer take of the year.

 

[Bradyking12]

Just because TO had a good game in SB 39 doesn’t mean he was healthy.

2016 Falcons had a diminished Mack playing when he shouldn’t have due to injury.

2018 Rams offense went from lights out to merely good once they lost slot receiver Cooper Kupp, who was Goff’s safety valve.

2017 Eagles didn’t have their starting QB for heaven’s sake.

That’s just off the top of my head.

Healthy TO wouldn't not been a factor and yup Mack alone we lose SB51 and we lost to the Eagles in SB not won and and Kupp alone would been the difference maker, we've been the most dominant team since 2001 and it's not even close.

 

[Sicilian]

2001 Rams Healthy
2003 Panthers Healthy
2004 Eagles Healthy
2014 Seahawks Healthy
2016 Falcons Healthy
2018 Rams Healthy besides Gurley but they weren't a Gurley away from winning.

I think we tend to overvalue the loss of our injured players and de-value the loss of other team's injured players, simply because we know who our players are and how critical their niche is. If we lose someone like Matthew Slater for example, we know the impact that can have, but if the Slater equivalent on another team goes down, we consider that team "healthy" because we never knew who he was.