You done messed up A-A-Ron

[Actual Pats Fan]

AR does have talent and he can turn a game around with his skill. Up by one score, I’d still be scared if he had the ball and a bit of time.

Having said that : people who have been overrating him for years (goat talk) have ignored so much disappointment. If he was as great as some suggest, he would have more to show for it. It’s not like he didn’t have plenty of talent around him.

Beyond that : I’m quite confident AR isn’t a very good leader... Tom is universally bragged by almost all players. Even some players who have said they wanted to hate him, just couldn’t do it.

Winner vs whiner.

Favre=Vastly better

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Tom Brady likes my program for the players. Plus he is careful and never steps on my tail.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Tom Brady likes my program for the players. Plus he is careful and never steps on my tail.

TomCat

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Rodgers has two flaws.

One is his lack of leadership that is incredibly obvious; it isn't just that isn't a good leader, it's that his teammates generally resent him. When multiple stories come out from former players, it's obvious this is just tip of the iceberg stuff. Guys who come through New England, no matter what happens - even if they are resentful of the Patriots organization for some reason - will universally express their admiration for Tom as a player and a person.

The other is that he's overrated (though still a really good QB) from an efficiency standpoint. He extends plays that don't require extension, often resulting in sacks or negative plays. He often overlooks the easy gain to play hero ball. And he refuses to take necessary risky throws that may be intercepted at the end of games, due to not wanting to hurt his stats. It sounds ridiculous but was extremely obvious last year. Contrast Brady's record breaking streak of non-interceptions during a 14-2 season where the offense dominated with Rodgers pathetically low scoring output. He was criticized by many for putting his personal stats and accolades over the scoreboard and the team. It was very obvious.

In general, Rodgers is just wired differently than Brady. He is insecure and a control freak. That's probably also the source of his greatness, though, so it's kind of a necessary part of the formula; is what it is. Brady also has a chip on his shoulder and is motivated by doubters, but he compartmentalizes it much better. Any person who would take Rodgers - everything included - over Brady is in fact an idiot.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Rodgers has two flaws.

One is his lack of leadership that is incredibly obvious; it isn't just that isn't a good leader, it's that his teammates generally resent him. When multiple stories come out from former players, it's obvious this is just tip of the iceberg stuff. Guys who come through New England, no matter what happens - even if they are resentful of the Patriots organization for some reason - will universally express their admiration for Tom as a player and a person.

The other is that he's overrated (though still a really good QB) from an efficiency standpoint. He extends plays that don't require extension, often resulting in sacks or negative plays. He often overlooks the easy gain to play hero ball. And he refuses to take necessary risky throws that may be intercepted at the end of games, due to not wanting to hurt his stats. It sounds ridiculous but was extremely obvious last year. Contrast Brady's record breaking streak of non-interceptions during a 14-2 season where the offense dominated with Rodgers pathetically low scoring output. He was criticized by many for putting his personal stats and accolades over the scoreboard and the team. It was very obvious.

In general, Rodgers is just wired differently than Brady. He is insecure and a control freak. That's probably also the source of his greatness, though, so it's kind of a necessary part of the formula; is what it is. Brady also has a chip on his shoulder and is motivated by doubters, but he compartmentalizes it much better. Any person who would take Rodgers - everything included - over Brady is in fact an idiot.

Whatever I guess he's better than David Woodley.

 

[supafly]

Whatever I guess he's better than David Woodley.

We tend to make fun of guys like Woodley until they beat our team in the postseason with statlines like this:

16/19
246
2 TDs and 0 INTs
153 QBR

 

[Brandon_Cox]

It has begun.

"There's stuff that not many people in the league can do at the line. That's not a humble brag. That's just a fact."

Just as an aside, Rodgers needs to learn the difference between bragging and humble bragging.

 

[1960Pats]

We're awfully lucky that Brady's crazy is confined to drinking enough concussion water to summon the old god Pliatoccus.

For all of his success and marrying the world's richest woman (or whatever she is) he should have lost his goddamn mind by now and been living a life that would make Howard Hughes seem grounded.

It makes me appreciate the great job that Brady's parents and sisters did raising him.

 

[203Pat]

Every comment he makes like that makes it that much harder to rationalize the scapegoating of McCarthy. If Rodgers had so much freedom to switch at the line, and he's so damned good at it, what was the problem?

Yea I don’t think McCarthy is a great coach but I don’t think he was the main problem in Green Bay either. Rodgers is pretty much uncoachable. He has the “smartest guy in the room” syndrome and basically thinks he should be the OC. From what I read he called the plays under the 2 minute warning. Must explain that ridiculous stat that he’s 0-37 trailing by a point in the 4th quarter against winning teams.

 

[1960Pats]

Hate to say it - because I loved Drew Bledsoe - but the topic about the lack of camaraderie in the locker room between Drew and the lower tiered players was one of the things members of the media immediately noticed in 2001 when Brady took over and the change really brought that to light.

Don't get me wrong, Bledsoe wasn't a bad person by any means. But Brady, being a late-round pick and someone who was just a good guy and well-liked by players in the locker room, had already won most of the guys over with his funny and relatable personality, along with his work-ethic, during his rookie year, along with the fact he respected and genuinely cared about every one of them. On the other side, there was a clique-like group that Bledsoe talked to and a lot of the lower-tier players wouldn't get much time (or acknowledgement - according to reports back then) with him. Now all of a sudden one of their own in Brady was leading the team and the players immediately rallied around him.

That energy just seemed to grow each week and guys really got more confident the more they watched him play and the more the team won. When you have guys having fun and being motivated to help one of their own achieve the same goal collectively, it makes a huge difference and that's likely one of the key reasons behind seeing a team that consistently couldn't get over the hump before Brady took over (and obviously Belichick) turn around from a 5-11 season in 2000 to win a Super Bowl and go on to win 2 more of the next three. Obviously, the rest from there is history. You can argue that they went 10 years in between rings, but they haven't won fewer than 10 games since 2002 and haven't had a losing season over that same span. That's unprecedented. Rodgers hasn't enjoyed that same run. Yes, you can put some of it on McCarthy or the Packers' front office, but we've seen what Brady's done with lesser personnel. Rodgers can't make the same claim.

And despite all the success, Brady has never changed who he is and we've certainly read plenty of stories about how many no name guys are shocked when Brady takes time to come over and chat with them to see how they're doing. That's a huge deal and it's one of the reasons why this team - in my opinion - has never fallen off the rails. I understand numbers are important and Rodgers can have his "all time QB rating" record. But when you read all this stuff about how Rodgers is/was with his teammates, if he ever wonders why he hasn't won more, all he needs to do is look in the mirror. Brady's a more complete player and person on and off the field, in every sense. Period.

If Bledsoe didn't handle his demotion with as much class as he did he could have split the locker room in half and destroyed the 2001 team's success. But he didn't and I'm grateful.

The biggest differences between Bledsoe and Brady were that Brady saw the field better, hit the swing passes to the RB's in stride and protected the ball better than Drew. It was clear to some of us at the time that Brady was the best choice.

 

[Nehalem]

Rodgers has two flaws.

One is his lack of leadership that is incredibly obvious; it isn't just that isn't a good leader, it's that his teammates generally resent him. When multiple stories come out from former players, it's obvious this is just tip of the iceberg stuff. Guys who come through New England, no matter what happens - even if they are resentful of the Patriots organization for some reason - will universally express their admiration for Tom as a player and a person.

The other is that he's overrated (though still a really good QB) from an efficiency standpoint. He extends plays that don't require extension, often resulting in sacks or negative plays. He often overlooks the easy gain to play hero ball. And he refuses to take necessary risky throws that may be intercepted at the end of games, due to not wanting to hurt his stats. It sounds ridiculous but was extremely obvious last year. Contrast Brady's record breaking streak of non-interceptions during a 14-2 season where the offense dominated with Rodgers pathetically low scoring output. He was criticized by many for putting his personal stats and accolades over the scoreboard and the team. It was very obvious.

In general, Rodgers is just wired differently than Brady. He is insecure and a control freak. That's probably also the source of his greatness, though, so it's kind of a necessary part of the formula; is what it is. Brady also has a chip on his shoulder and is motivated by doubters, but he compartmentalizes it much better. Any person who would take Rodgers - everything included - over Brady is in fact an idiot.

Rodgers threw only 2 ints in 2018, yet GB only won 6 games . How is that even possible?

If I told you there was a team in 2019 that had a top-10 QB, who played 16 games and had only 2 ints, how many games would you bet that team would win?

 

[203Pat]

Rodgers threw only 2 ints in 2018, yet GB only won 6 games . How is that even possible?

If I told you there was a team in 2019 that had a top-10 QB, who played 16 games and had only 2 ints, how many games would you bet that team would win?

He threw the ball away quite a bit last year. I think his completion percentage dropped about two points. In addition to the throwaways he took way more sacks than he did in his last fully healthy season two years ago. There is no way you can watch him play and believe he isn’t fully aware of his stats and carefully protecting them so he can point to that when the blame for another dud of a season starts going around.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Rodgers threw only 2 ints in 2018, yet GB only won 6 games . How is that even possible?

If I told you there was a team in 2019 that had a top-10 QB, who played 16 games and had only 2 ints, how many games would you bet that team would win?

They allowed 25ppg with a crap pass defense and Adams is the only playmaker on offense.

They are not a very good team.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

They allowed 25ppg with a crap pass defense and Adams is the only playmaker on offense.

They are not a very good team.

Should I bring up the $80M check he got last off-season despite having two years left on his old deal? Couldn’t wait more than a week to re-take the “highest paid the league” title.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Should I bring up the $80M check he got last off-season despite having two years left on his old deal? Couldn’t wait more than a week to re-take the “highest paid the league” title.

Yep and someone please explain why Jimmy Graham 2TDs last year justifies his 2019 $12.6m cap number because his blocking sure doesn't

I can't see them keeping him at that #.

 

[Nehalem]

They allowed 25ppg with a crap pass defense and Adams is the only playmaker on offense.

They are not a very good team.

Brady went to the SB with the worst pass defense in NFL history.

Brady went to the AFCCG with a bad defense and his #1 WR being a converted QB.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yep and someone please explain why Jimmy Graham 2TDs last year justifies his 2019 $12.6m cap number because his blocking sure doesn't

I can't see them keeping him at that #.

I keep repeating myself, but it bears repeating.

If you look at a typical Rodgers season from 2010-present, a ballpark cost for Rodgers plus his three best skill players on non-rookie deals (insert combination of Nelson, Rodgers, Cobb, Adams, Finley/Graham/Cook) is usually around $55M. He usually has $30M cap hit, two $10M+ receivers, and a $5M TE. With Rodgers new contract it’s even higher.

If you do the same thing with Brady (who I estimate himself on average at $25M, though that might be too high), Gronkowski ($8M), Edelman ($4M), and WR2 or TE2 ($3M), the number is closer to $40M.

If you don’t think an extra $15M or so of cost-savings from the Patriots, who still have a better offense with Brady than GB with Rodgers, makes a big deal about defense and supporting cast, you don’t understand basic math.

Brady produces more by using less cap resources. Rodgers produced less by using more cap resources. Of course this isn’t to say Belichick doesn’t make a noticeable difference, but I’d love to see a Rodgers apologist acknowledge this fact before crying about poor Aaron’s uphill battles. The Indy-Manning sequel.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Brady went to the SB with the worst pass defense in NFL history.

Brady went to the AFCCG with a bad defense and his #1 WR being a converted QB.

Brady is better than Rodgers.

Brady had better targets and coaching supporting him than AR.

What are you arguing?

 

[203Pat]

Brady is better than Rodgers.

Brady had better targets and coaching supporting him than AR.

What are you arguing?

Are you talking Brady had better targets last year or overall? If you’re saying last year then I agree.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Are you talking Brady had better targets last year or overall? If you’re saying last year then I agree.

Yep just last year.