qb playoff passer ratings: Bart Starr #1 You'll never guess where Brady is (#14)

[JMC00]

Brady- 40 games played in the post-season

Starr- 10 games played
Warner- 13 games played
Ryan- 10 games played
Brees- 15 games played
Rodgers- 16 games played
Foles- 6 games played
Smith- 7 games played
Montana- 23 games played
Wilson- 13 games played
Sanchez- 6 games played
Anderson- 6 games played
Romo- 6 games played
Thiesmann- 8 games played
Flacco- 15 games played
Aikman- 16 games played
Netwon- 7 games played
E.Manning- 12 games played
P.Manning- 27 games played

The problem is it's absolutely MORONIC to compare any of those guys to Brady given how many more games Brady has played.

Brady has literally played the most playoff games out of anyone in the history of the NFL. Closest is Vinatieri with 32 and Rice with 29.

Manning with 27 games is the next closest QB and his rating in the playoffs is lower than Brady's. Let's see Brees, Rodgers and Ryan's ratings after 40 games played.

 

[Joey007]

I think it's 93 post 2011 and 86 pre 2011

Not as high as I thought, but still a significant difference.

 

[Joey007]

Brady- 40 games played in the post-season

Starr- 10 games played
Warner- 13 games played
Ryan- 10 games played
Brees- 15 games played
Rodgers- 16 games played
Foles- 6 games played
Smith- 7 games played
Montana- 23 games played
Wilson- 13 games played
Sanchez- 6 games played
Anderson- 6 games played
Romo- 6 games played
Thiesmann- 8 games played
Flacco- 15 games played
Aikman- 16 games played
Netwon- 7 games played
E.Manning- 12 games played
P.Manning- 27 games played

Admittedly have to give Joe Montana credit. Played 23 games and posted a 95.2 in an era where it was even tougher to accomplish doing so.

 

[Hyped]

Brady threw for 500+ yards and lost a Superbowl.

That is all.

 

[Ring 6]

Passer rating is a made up stat with someone determining what's important. I pay attention to passer rating about as much as I pay attention to passes defended.... I don't. It's just a way of gathering information.

Correct.
Passer rating arbitrarily selects and weights statistics that do not compute as a reliable comparison of an play.
For example if QBA completes 6/10 for 75 yards and QBb completes 8/10 for 67 yards QB rating would tell you B was better.

 

[hornetfb85]

And add one more to that as well!!!

 

[PatsFanSince74]

There are lies.
There are damn lies.
And, then, there are statistics.

 

[everlong]

Post season passing attempts.

NFL Pass Attempts Career Playoffs Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tom Brady 1589
Bart Starr 213

Brady is throwing so many more times per game.

 

[MassPats38]

This metric favors those with overwhelmingly more talented teams (the NFC owned the 80s, frequently winning in blowout fashion with inflated numbers). Brady has lead teams that objectively should not have been in the playoffs (and made it to the post-season because of his personal contribution as leader), and suffered bad losses as a result.

Do the QBs throw to covered receivers, counting on the receivers to bring the ball down rather than throwing the ball away?

Is the offense a short pass, ground and pound style, where the QB is expected to do less and defenses focus more on run defense?

As playoffs are lose and you go home, the metric is winning, not general statistics. The further you go, the better the teams. In contrast to Brady's 9 Super Bowls, how many can claim substantial statistics at that level of play? Beating up on a wild card opponent is not comparable to the final round.

Brady has certainly had the occasional bad throw in the playoffs, but he has accumulated a crazy volume of statistics when compared to any other QB in the history of the NFL. The reason we remember the bone-headed plays is there are so few in his lengthy history. He has been asked to throw more than any other QB, and has won more games as a passer than any other QB. Rating is generally an easily manipulated statistic that doesn't necessarily indicate wins or losses.

 

[upstater1]

Lol what? Then what do you pay attention to in regards to quarterbacks? Passer rating factors in all the aspects of a QB aside from rushing. Why wouldn’t you pay attention to passes defended?

Because it places too much emphasis on some stats and it's largely an arbitrary decision to emphasize some of the things it does over others.

You get dinged for throwing the ball away. You lose for running the ball in from the 1 yard line even if you passed the ball all the way to get down there. I think it takes interceptions too lightly.

 

[203Pat]

Because it places too much emphasis on some stats and it's largely an arbitrary decision to emphasize some of the things it does over others.

You get dinged for throwing the ball away. You lose for running the ball in from the 1 yard line even if you passed the ball all the way to get down there. I think it takes interceptions too lightly.

The system isn’t perfect and the passer ratings are rising with the league making it harder and harder on the defense but it’s a system that’s been used for almost 50 years. I still like it better than ESPN’s awful QBR.

 

[captain stone]

The Ints vs LA and KC were awful.

Agree with the INT vs LA; Edelman was Wide Open on the play for at least a 6/7-yard gain, but Brady eye-balled Hogan from the snap.

The INTs vs KC were both off the hands of Edelman & Gronk; not his fault those times.

Two especially bone-headed ones that immediately come to mind are 1) the INT vs the Murderers in the 2011 AFCC intended for...Slater!?! and 2) the one vs the Murderer-Worshippers in the 2014 Divisional near the end of the first half.

 

[SBLIII]

Agree with the INT vs LA; Edelman was Wide Open on the play for at least a 6/7-yard gain, but Brady eye-balled Hogan from the snap.

The INTs vs KC were both off the hands of Edelman & Gronk; not his fault those times.

Two especially bone-headed ones that immediately come to mind are 1) the INT vs the Murderers in the 2011 AFCC intended for...Slater!?! and 2) the one vs the Murderer-Worshippers in the 2014 Divisional near the end of the first half.

I'm talking about the INT vs KC on the goal line.

 

[Ring 6]

Lol what? Then what do you pay attention to in regards to quarterbacks? Passer rating factors in all the aspects of a QB aside from rushing. Why wouldn’t you pay attention to passes defended?

Passer rating is a formula developed for people who don’t understand football to have one, extremely flawed, and laughably inaccurate metric to compare QBs.

Passes defensed is a statistic you accumulate by having QBs find your man open.
Defending a few while getting torched is not better than covering your man so the qb can’t throw to him.

 

[Angelpats]

Lol what? Then what do you pay attention to in regards to quarterbacks? Passer rating factors in all the aspects of a QB aside from rushing. Why wouldn’t you pay attention to passes defended?

Tds factor into passer rating to. Brady and BB really don’t hesitate to run the ball on goal line situations.

 

[IllegalContact]

simple question........



who gives a ****?

 

[Joey007]

Correct.
Passer rating arbitrarily selects and weights statistics that do not compute as a reliable comparison of an play.
For example if QBA completes 6/10 for 75 yards and QBb completes 8/10 for 67 yards QB rating would tell you B was better.

Isn’t YPA factored in?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I remember some crap formula BSPN used in 2011 which statistically calculated Tim Tebow as contributing more towards victories than Tom Brady.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Starts
Winning %
Playoff Wins
Playoff Winning %
4th Quarter victories trailing or tied at the start of the 4th quarter.
4th Quarter holds with the lead
OT wins
Super Bowl wins
3rd down conversions %
Turnovers per snap
Team points per game

 

[Ring 6]

Isn’t YPA factored in?

Yes. But the weighing is stupid.