We Usually Get A Couple Of Rookie Contributors

[mgteich]

We usually get 2-3 major rookie contributors. Last year, we had Michel and Jackson.

As of now, we need 2 OT's, 2 WR's, 2 TE's and 2 DL's. Obviously, we also need future depth. 8 is a lot.
But, Belichick always comes through.

 

[Jimke]

We usually get 2-3 major rookie contributors. Last year, we had Michel and Jackson.

As of now, we need 2 OT's, 2 WR's, 2 TE's and 2 DL's. Obviously, we also need future depth. 8 is a lot.
But, Belichick always comes through.

I hope our luck holds with regard to the rookies. A healthy Malcolm Mitchell type wide
receiver would be nice.

 

[mgteich]

I hope our luck holds with regard to the rookies. A healthy Malcolm Mitchell type wide
receiver would be nice.

We will likely have 7-9 rookies on the 53. 2 major contributors isn't a lot to hope for. Off course, we have Wynn and Bentley back. We need major contributions from Wynn.

Also, we might get something out of Dawson, Izzo, Rivers, Davis, Crossen or Sam. Of course, I'm not counting on any of these youngsters.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We usually get 2-3 major rookie contributors. Last year, we had Michel and Jackson.

As of now, we need 2 OT's, 2 WR's, 2 TE's and 2 DL's. Obviously, we also need future depth. 8 is a lot.
But, Belichick always comes through.

Would have been Bentley too

 

[Ring 6]

We usually get 2-3 major rookie contributors. Last year, we had Michel and Jackson.

As of now, we need 2 OT's, 2 WR's, 2 TE's and 2 DL's. Obviously, we also need future depth. 8 is a lot.
But, Belichick always comes through.

All of those spots don’t need to be filled by rookies.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

All of those spots don’t need to be filled by rookies.

I think that's his point, although it was vague.

 

[TheRainMaker]

We will likely have 7-9 rookies on the 53. 2 major contributors isn't a lot to hope for. Off course, we have Wynn and Bentley back. We need major contributions from Wynn.

Also, we might get something out of Dawson, Izzo, Rivers, Davis, Crossen or Sam. Of course, I'm not counting on any of these youngsters.

Wynn is in a tough spot. Not only is he coming off of an injury, but could be leaned on to be the guy at LT barring any trade.

It’s a make or break year for Rivers. The “diapers are coming off”.

Looking forward to see if Bentley picks up where he left off.

 

[mgteich]

All of those spots don’t need to be filled by rookies.

Yes, as was indicated, that is my point.

We can reasonably count on 2 positions to have major contributions from rookies. Therefore, I expect the other 6 to be filled through free agent signings or trades, which could take place from now through the trade deadline.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, as was indicated, that is my point.

We can reasonably count on 2 positions to have major contributions from rookies. Therefore, I expect the other 6 to be filled through free agent signings or trades, which could take place from now through the trade deadline.

I think contributions from rookies is a combination of his ready they are and the quality of the pucks we gave to use.
Last year Wynn and Bentley surely would have contributed and Dawson likely would have if they were healthy.
I don’t think you can base what this years draft class with this years competition for playing time will do based upon a rough estimate of what has happened in other years.

 

[mgteich]

Of course any one year can be wildly different from others. We speculate based on past results.

Also, I disagree with regard to Dawson adding one more rookie with major impact. I suspect that if Dawson were healthy, Jackson would have many fewer opportunities.
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Also, Belichick will act based on what he expects of rookies. He can choose to expect 8 rookies to be major contributors. In that case, he would be much less likely to sign significant free agents, and would be much less likely to trade. Alternatively, he might project 2-4, in which case he might take different actions.

What will not happen is for Belichick to not have any expectations, and to ignore the past.

I think contributions from rookies is a combination of his ready they are and the quality of the pucks we gave to use.
Last year Wynn and Bentley surely would have contributed and Dawson likely would have if they were healthy.
I don’t think you can base what this years draft class with this years competition for playing time will do based upon a rough estimate of what has happened in other years.

 

[jah]

We usually get 2-3 major rookie contributors. Last year, we had Michel and Jackson.

As of now, we need 2 OT's, 2 WR's, 2 TE's and 2 DL's. Obviously, we also need future depth. 8 is a lot.
But, Belichick always comes through.

We only need 1 (0 if Wynn works out which I think he will) starting offensive tackle. Flowers has been replaced for one year by Bennett, leaving just Clayborn to be replaced. I count 6 spots which is still a lot. But I think 8 is an exaggeration.

 

[mgteich]

We only need 1 (0 if Wynn works out which I think he will) starting offensive tackle. Flowers has been replaced for one year by Bennett, leaving just Clayborn to be replaced. I count 6 spots which is still a lot. But I think 8 is an exaggeration.

We need to replace
Flowers - Bennett
Clayborn
Brown - Pennell
Shelton
Brown - Wynn isn't sufficient
Waddle
Gronk
Allen
Hogan
Patterson
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1) We differ on DL. I think that we needed to replace both Shelton and Brown. Both had over 30% of the defensive reps last year.

2) We differ on OT. I think that we need a veteran swing OT as well a developmental rookie.
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Personally, I think that 8 is low. We also need a developmental safety, linebacker and quarterback.

 

[Ring 6]

Of course any one year can be wildly different from others. We speculate based on past results.

Also, I disagree with regard to Dawson adding one more rookie with major impact. I suspect that if Dawson were healthy, Jackson would have many fewer opportunities.
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Also, Belichick will act based on what he expects of rookies. He can choose to expect 8 rookies to be major contributors. In that case, he would be much less likely to sign significant free agents, and would be much less likely to trade. Alternatively, he might project 2-4, in which case he might take different actions.

What will not happen is for Belichick to not have any expectations, and to ignore the past.

Belichick will bring in 90 players and let them complete. Where they cane from won’t matter.

 

[Ring 6]

We need to replace
Flowers - Bennett
Clayborn
Brown - Pennell
Shelton
Brown - Wynn isn't sufficient
Waddle
Gronk
Allen
Hogan
Patterson
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1) We differ on DL. I think that we needed to replace both Shelton and Brown. Both had over 30% of the defensive reps last year.

2) We differ on OT. I think that we need a veteran swing OT as well a developmental rookie.
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Personally, I think that 8 is low. We also need a developmental safety, linebacker and quarterback.

If you don’t believe Wynn replaces brown he at least replaced waddle.
Clayborns replacement may well be on the roster.
Harris is the Patterson replacement
Anderson and lacosse and izzo are part of the TE replacement competition.

 

[Brick27]

As always, Bill will hedge himself between draft picks and trades/free agent signings. Don’t believe he ever truly drafts a player with a “plug and play” outlook when making draft picks. Instead its more of thinking how likely is draft pick X going to fill this spot, and based on that how many resources is he comfortable with allocating into the alternative option that will create competition.

What Bill isn’t doing is looking at a roster and saying “okay, let’s bring in 4 draft picks and 4 free agent signings or trades to address these 8 spots”. It’s much more fluid and open minded than that.

 

[captain stone]

Yes, as was indicated, that is my point.

We can reasonably count on 2 positions to have major contributions from rookies. Therefore, I expect the other 6 to be filled through free agent signings or trades, which could take place from now through the trade deadline.

I seriously, Seriously doubt that there will be as many as 6 trades/signings available to be made involving players who will make significant contributions. If anything, that ratio should be reversed.

 

[zimmy]

I have some slight concerns at this point but there are still plenty of opportunities to get players in. Once the draft happens, players will become available as high placed rookies fill starting roles. Look at Trent Brown last year. We got him after the 49ers took a first round OT.

It's also a good year to need WR, DL and TE. A pretty good and deep group at each position.

Crucial positions to fill are swing OT, WR2 and 3, TE1, rotational DE and DT. Then it would be nice to get some guard depth, a developmental safety and a cover LB.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

We usually get 2-3 major rookie contributors. Last year, we had Michel and Jackson.

As of now, we need 2 OT's, 2 WR's, 2 TE's and 2 DL's. Obviously, we also need future depth. 8 is a lot.
But, Belichick always comes through.

If the 'usual' means solid rookie production at TE and WR then "barkeep give me the usual".

Drafted, undrafted, trade, cast off, up and comer, out of the unknown -- production from <players to be named later> at especially TE but WR2/3 too, IMHO, puts the SB again right back in striking distance.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

We need to replace
Clayborn
Shelton
Brown - Wynn isn't sufficient
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If replacing Clayborn and Shelton were the biggest open needs (they're not) we'd be in great position . IMHO neither of these two players is a big mountain to overcome/replace.

Wynn quite possibly will have to be sufficient. Yes it's a critical position (typically an expensive one too) but most teams nowadays have to rely on an unproven commodity at one position or another. One could argue before Brown started showing top shelf play it was concerning having him as the starting LT.

I don't disagree with your overall sentiments but I don't see a path to proven commodity replacements unless the draft and cut down day signings are especially kind this year). Rookie, 2nd year, over-the-hill, reclamation projects -- I don't see anyway around that we're gonna need a few of these to fill a couple of important roles, no?
(if Dorsetx is ever gonna be an important receiving target, man do we need that now!)

 

[manxman2601]

We need to replace
Flowers - Bennett
Clayborn
Brown - Pennell
Shelton
Brown - Wynn isn't sufficient
Waddle
Gronk
Allen
Hogan
Patterson
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1) We differ on DL. I think that we needed to replace both Shelton and Brown. Both had over 30% of the defensive reps last year.

2) We differ on OT. I think that we need a veteran swing OT as well a developmental rookie.
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Personally, I think that 8 is low. We also need a developmental safety, linebacker and quarterback.

Why isn’t Wynn sufficient to replace Brown? He’s likely either a replacement for Brown or Waddle.