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A) Brady is smart enough to not ask for more than would be prudent on the cap
B) Brady at any price is better than risen for free
C) there has been no indication or even hint of an indication that there is a money disagreement.
In any negotiation, each side needs leverage.

With an older QB with an uncertain future, Bill believes in long-term planning.

Are you disagreeing with those points?
 
I was thinking more number 2 receiver and tight ends.
I agree. Js if they view Rosen as a dude I could understand it. I don't think Rosen is a longterm answer so would rather fill other needs
 
People are going to hate me for saying this, but there is no guarantee the Pats even want Brady for 4 years. His contract ends this year, and Bill may look at this as an opportunity to move on. What Brady wants (4 more years) and what Bill wants might not be the same.

I don't think even Brady wants 4 more years.
 
In any negotiation, each side needs leverage.

With an older QB with an uncertain future, Bill believes in long-term planning.

Are you disagreeing with those points?

I agree. How many 42 years old QBs have even ever started a game in the league?

Bill will look for a QB very soon. Either this or next year.
 
I don't think even Brady wants 4 more years.

I think he does. But if you are in Bill’s position, are you comfortable giving him a 3 year extension, not knowing when that proverbial cliff is going to come?
 
In any negotiation, each side needs leverage.

With an older QB with an uncertain future, Bill believes in long-term planning.

Are you disagreeing with those points?
Yes when it’s Tom Brady.
 
I think he does. But if you are in Bill’s position, are you comfortable giving him a 3 year extension, not knowing when that proverbial cliff is going to come?

I'm not. I don't think Bill is ok with wasting years just because what Tom did for this franchise. And there is no reference point for 42 year old QBs. The cliff can come at any point.

I think TB12 will be the QB for 1, maybe 2 more years. 4 is a long shot in my opinion.
 
I agree. How many 42 years old QBs have even ever started a game in the league?

Bill will look for a QB very soon. Either this or next year.
He'd be incredibly irresponsible not to.
 
He'd be incredibly irresponsible not to.

I think Jimmy G was brought on in 2014 because of Bill’s uncertainty of Brady’s level of play after 2013. Once Brady showed he was capable of playing well into his late 30s, Bill was comfortable. Now, Bill might be at that point where he is uncertain about Tom again.
 
Why? Did you not like his tape?

Rosen is a very nice passer. Give him a clean pocket and he makes all the throws with solid accuracy, anticipation, and timing. But there's more to quarterbacking a team than throwing the ball (which, incidentally, is why I hate using volume stats to determine how good a QB is -- sometimes the right move is checking into a run play). That's where I get concerned, and it's not the fluff about his hobbies or unsubstantiated rumors about supposedly rubbing coaches the wrong way. I don't really care about all of that. These are grown men and professionals; they'll deal with whatever.

No, the same concerns I've had in college have carried over to the pros. People like to point to how bad his OL was (and it wasn't great), but I can't tell you how many times he failed to see a clear blitz or pressure coming. He rarely seemed to slide protections or go to his hot read. Maybe that can be taught. But my problem is that he seems bright enough, and he gets all that in film study / whiteboard work, as you can see in any number of interviews or media workout sessions. The mental clock just moves too slowly on the field, and it seems to get worse the more the pressure gets turned up, just like we saw with Goff in the Super Bowl. Obviously no quarterback likes to have pressure in his face, but I came away from Rosen's college and pro games with a strong sense of that I don't have confidence in his abilities to elevate a team and push for a win by himself.

Put enough pieces around Rosen, and I think he can win. He can make the playoffs. He may even make it to a conference championship a couple times in his career. I do not believe, however, that he has the drive or determination to take a team to the next level. He'll struggle with quick processing and get shut down. Now, he's relatively smart, so he'll start to dissect what happened, but that's what will do him in because I don't think he's got the right perspective or ingredients. The problem I have with Rosen is that I'm willing to bet almost anything that he will find ways to explain all the factors that led to his performance, and he'll work on those various outside contingencies, and he'll think it's going to make a difference, instead of holding himself to a higher standard and striving to be better.

Maybe I'm wrong, but nothing we saw in his rookie season, which featured some of the worst stats of any QB in the entire NFL, gives me any hope for his future career trajectory.
 
I think Jimmy G was brought on in 2014 because of Bill’s uncertainty of Brady’s level of play after 2013. Once Brady showed he was capable of playing well into his late 30s, Bill was comfortable. Now, Bill might be at that point where he is uncertain about Tom again.
Bill said why he drafted Jimmy. It was all about Tom's age and contract situation. Its the same exact situation in 2019.

I think 2013 was a challenging year for Tom as he lost Gronk for more than 1/2 the year and had to throw 141 times to rookies Dropson and JAG Thompkins in which they caught less than 1/2 of the balls thrown to them. Thats bad. By Tom's statistical standard he slipped but the # of weapons he had were limited to Jules and Danny. IMO Tom was still TB12.

Bill will certainly never tell us what his current personnel evaluation is of Tom but I'm pretty comfortable saying Bill would be more than fine with Tom starting in 2019. If they pull the trigger on Rosen it'll be more about 2020 and Brian Hoyer will be 34, Tom will be 43 and at present both will be FAs.
 
Bill said why he drafted Jimmy. It was all about Tom's age and contract situation. Its the same exact situation in 2019.

I think 2013 was a challenging year for Tom as he lost Gronk for more than 1/2 the year and had to throw 141 times to rookies Dropson and JAG Thompkins in which they caught less than 1/2 of the balls thrown to them. Thats bad. By Tom's statistical standard he slipped but the # of weapons he had were limited to Jules and Danny. IMO Tom was still TB12.

Bill will certainly never tell us what his current personnel evaluation is of Tom but I'm pretty comfortable saying Bill would be more than fine with Tom starting in 2019. If they pull the trigger on Rosen it'll be more about 2020 and Brian Hoyer will be 34, Tom will be 43 and at present both will be FAs.

Interesting that Etling traveled with the team for all the away games. Do you think the reason was to learn to be the "scout" QB as much as possible and as quickly as possible by spending maximum amount of time with the team in case someone like Rosen is traded and Hoyer is let go? IMO Etling will never be the answer to take us to the promised land and maybe they know that...but he could be the "scout" QB for many years to come.
 
Interesting that Etling traveled with the team for all the away games. Do you think the reason was to learn to be the "scout" QB as much as possible and as quickly as possible by spending maximum amount of time with the team in case someone like Rosen is traded and Hoyer is let go?

Not sure. In 2018 I think they wanted to have every opportunity to evaluate Etling and traveling with the team gave them that opportunity. They clearly thought he had shown enough to make them think he had room to improve and show more in 2019. They did the same thing with Brisket until they traded him.

IMO Etling will never be the answer to take us to the promised land and maybe they know that...but he could be the "scout" QB for many years to come.

Most likely. He seems like a career backup to me but you never know.
 
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I am by no means a Rosen fan. I wasn't when he came out in the draft. But if you can poach him for a second round pick, I'd do it. Let him sit behind the GOAT and become the recipient of better coaching than what he had in Arizona last year. Given his tape at the pro level, everything considered, I HIGHLY doubt the Cardinals are going to get a first round pick for him.
 
4 more years for Brady? He might not even want to play this year when he looks at the state of his receiving weapons.

I liked Rosen last year and if the price is a low second or a 3rd then sign me up. What's the worst that can happen? We don't need him and we trade him in a year or two. If Brady is still playing at a high level in 4 years we likely have another ring by then and I couldn't care less about giving up the pick now
 
I am by no means a Rosen fan. I wasn't when he came out in the draft. But if you can poach him for a second round pick, I'd do it. Let him sit behind the GOAT and become the recipient of better coaching than what he had in Arizona last year. Given his tape at the pro level, everything considered, I HIGHLY doubt the Cardinals are going to get a first round pick for him.
Competition means it's more than that.
If their are legit 3 teams interested.
 
Competition means it's more than that.
If their are legit 3 teams interested.

And if it is, then let Rosen go to another team. To date, he hasn't shown nearly enough at either the college or the pro level to warrant higher than a mid-second round pick.
 
4 more years for Brady? He might not even want to play this year when he looks at the state of his receiving weapons.

He is the one insisting repeatedly on 45.

Also it is March. It is absolutely irrelevant what the state of WR is right now. At this point people should just let Caserio and BB do their thing and have trust that it will work out yet again.
 
I think Jimmy G was brought on in 2014 because of Bill’s uncertainty of Brady’s level of play after 2013. Once Brady showed he was capable of playing well into his late 30s, Bill was comfortable. Now, Bill might be at that point where he is uncertain about Tom again.

Not coincidentally, 2018 was a similar year (but not quite as bad) to 2013 in terms of having relatively poor receiving options.
 
If we could get Rosen for a third then by all means pull the trigger. He didn’t look great last year but that team was a mess. He could be Jared Goff and get a real coaching staff that utilizes his strengths and puts him in position to succeed. If the Cardinals want a 1st or 2nd round pick I’d be a little hesitant because of how shaky he looked last year. If he’s Matt Linehart and not Jared Goff then two teams got fooled.
 
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