Report: Phillip Dorsett back on one-year deal

[denverpatsfan]

That catch in the AFCCG was amazing. They don't make the Super Bowl or maybe even the playoffs without him. Glad he is back.

 

[Simpelton]

What we need out of Dorsett is a receiver who can punish defenses for doubling up guys like Edelman and Gronk. If they create mismatches by doubling up our top guys it's up to the depth guys to run wild on them and force them to change up their defense. I'll be watching Dorsett closely next year to see if he can improve to that level. If he can he'll be a starter in 2021, either here or elsewhere. If not, then he's JAG with some nice speed.

 

[Simpelton]

That catch in the AFCCG was amazing. They don't make the Super Bowl or maybe even the playoffs without him. Glad he is back.

We make the playoffs regardless. it's not like we had close competition in the AFCE this year. But the AFCCG came down to a razor's edge, without Dorsett's contribution we probably do not win that fight.

 

[Soliel]

I hate to say I told you so. Wonder when you guys start to listen. I’ve never been wrong lol

 

[patfanken]

I think the NEXT thing we hear from the Pats is an announcement of someone restructuring their contracts. BEFORE resigning Slater, Dorsett, Simon, and bringing back Bolden, the Pats had just over $12MM in cap space. I can't imagine they have more than 2 or 3MM left. If they want to add a WR, or another DE down the road, it is clear that SOME adjustments need to be made

 

[PatsFan2]

Boo boo boo Dorsett just isn't that good and that's a fact he was literally replaced by Gordon who had no history of our system in a matter of weeks. That alone should tell ya I hope Barrios or a Draft pick replace him...Dorsett is a bust! Pats should just sign Kevin White to go along another useless First Round WR Bust!

 

[Bruins29]

I hate to say I told you so. Wonder when you guys start to listen. I’ve never been wrong lol

Well, there was that one time....

 

[captain stone]

Way ahead of you...

 

[ALP]

i'd prefer dorsett with years in the system and a pretty decent season last year to any FA WR who doesn't know the system

 

[Nunchucks]

Please use this guy in the offense! He gets open and catches everything. Why the faulk hasn't he seen more balls thrown his way?

 

[tasmlab]

Fifth year is when WR finally break out, yes?

(Mostly kidding, but year 5 was when JEII's catches/stats/production/role, etc. blossomed.)

 

[Deus Irae]

You really have the temerity to blame me for making a ''ridiculously misleading post'' and then you go and use those numbers?

Of course. Unlike yourself, I used both the cherry picked numbers (in honor of your nonsense) and his full numbers.

Dorsett was, in fact, on pace for a 64 catch season through 4 games. And that includes that Detroit game.

I admit to finding it very amusing to see you whine even after I stated precisely why I was doing what I was doing, and that the reason was because it was a deliberately cherry picked counter to your cherry picked and misleading approach.

Dorsett's last actual 6 games before Gordon played against the Dolphins:

AFC Divisional against the Titans: healthy scratch
AFC Championship game: 1 catch
Super Bowl 52: 1 catch
Texans: 7 catches
Jags: 5 catches
Lions 0 catches

How pathetic of you that your argument has now taken you to going back to last year. The moment you typed that into your response box, you should have realized you were posting horse **** and just moved on.

In 2 seasons, 2 playoff runs and 2 Super Bowls, 6 games (5 played, 1 healthy scratch) all of them without Gordon, Dorsett has had ONE game where he has more than one catch. Which is exactly what my previous post stated. If you need a reliable WR 3 that's going to get constantly open against lesser CB's, Dorsett is not the guy. If you need an Ace-in-the-sleeve that's going to make one catch like the one against KC, sure.

Ok, that's just a painfully stupid argument.

Nothing misleading about a player that has played 2 years each for two different teams, has had no significant impact whatsoever in either, and averages 307 yards per season, which is what he had more or less this year with 290.

Dorsett has 1237 career yards in those 4 years, Gordon had 737 in 12 games with zero preparation with the team, getting traded in the middle of the season after playing only 5 games for the Browns in the previous 3 seasons combined. Gordon had 1646 yards in 2013. Dorsett will never sniff half of that in any season of his career.

If you're satisfied with a WR that had one target combined in the two biggest games of the year (AFCCG and SB) and couldn't establish himself in a WR core of Edelman+a very declined Hogan and a jack-of-all-trade-but-not-really-a-receiver Patterson, be my guest.

Your first post was misleading. Your second post is both misleading and stupid. You're heading in the wrong direction.

 

[Uptown]

He also made a great TD catch against LAC.

 

[Deus Irae]

We need depth players too. Just look at all the contributions Danny Amendola made over the years from the depth wideout slots. If you don't have that guy it's harder to get a good receiver matched up against a linebacker or create defensive breakdowns.

Dorsett is primed to have a very strong role in the offense next year and given his play in limited time I personally think he's up for it..

Based upon the second part of mg's post, I assumed that he got the names mixed up, since Patterson is the utility player.

 

[Gronkowski123]

Not consistent enough for my liking. He does have the physical attributes..

 

[SBLIII]

Not consistent enough for my liking. He does have the physical attributes..

If he isn't #1 or #2 it's a valuable addition to any team imo.

 

[Kargetina]

Only a miserable human being discusses things with the tone you do. You're truly a very tough and imposing figure using insults in every paragraph via the internet. Embarrassing.

On topic:

I used last year's stats because you deliberately posted false info to argue your point:

''However, since you've chosen to highlight that Detroit game, I'll highlight every other one of Dorsett's games before Gordon came onto the scene and displaced him:

Catches/Targets
7/7
5/7
4/7
3/3
total: 19/24''

The last two games are games where both Gordon and Dorsett played, against the Colts and Dolphins, so Dorsett only had 3 games without Gordon, one of which was the Lions game. Which is why i showed the actual 5-6 previous games that Dorsett played without Gordon. But it didn't suit your argument so you descended into a tirade of insults.

And of course having only one decent playoff game that resulted in 4 catches/40 yards/1 TD is ''a stupid argument''. Who would ever want a receiver that can actually create separation and perform in the playoffs? We had ONE capable receiver this year after the Gordon suspension, and the door was wide open for Dorsett to establish himself and he didn't.

Dorsett has 7 catches for 120 yards in these 2 playoff runs combined. Which averages out to 1,4 catch per game and 24 yards. For a simple comparison, Amendola had 152 yards on 8 catches, and Hogan had 128 yards on 6 catches in last years Super Bowl alone.

The crux of your argument that Dorsett was ''on pace'' to have so-and-so catches makes no sense.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had 11 TD passes in the first three games. I guess he was on pace to have 50+ TD's. Ended with 17 for the season but who's counting?

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Good speed. Hope he continues to improve.

 

[Deus Irae]

Only a miserable human being discusses things with the tone you do. You're truly a very tough and imposing figure using insults in every paragraph via the internet. Embarrassing.

On topic:

I used last year's stats because you deliberately posted false info to argue your point:

''However, since you've chosen to highlight that Detroit game, I'll highlight every other one of Dorsett's games before Gordon came onto the scene and displaced him:

Catches/Targets
7/7
5/7
4/7
3/3
total: 19/24''

The last two games are games where both Gordon and Dorsett played, against the Colts and Dolphins, so Dorsett only had 3 games without Gordon, one of which was the Lions game. Which is why i showed the actual 5-6 previous games that Dorsett played without Gordon. But it didn't suit your argument so you descended into a tirade of insults.

And of course having only one decent playoff game that resulted in 4 catches/40 yards/1 TD is ''a stupid argument''. Who would ever want a receiver that can actually create separation and perform in the playoffs? We had ONE capable receiver this year after the Gordon suspension, and the door was wide open for Dorsett to establish himself and he didn't.

Dorsett has 7 catches for 120 yards in these 2 playoff runs combined. Which averages out to 1,4 catch per game and 24 yards. For a simple comparison, Amendola had 152 yards on 8 catches, and Hogan had 128 yards on 6 catches in last years Super Bowl alone.

The crux of your argument that Dorsett was ''on pace'' to have so-and-so catches makes no sense.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had 11 TD passes in the first three games. I guess he was on pace to have 50+ TD's. Ended with 17 for the season but who's counting?

Brady threw 2 TDs in this past postseason. Both were to Dorsett, the guy who was on pace for more than 60 catches before Josh Gordon took his spot. But you keep babbling on as if you've got some kind of a point, when you've got nothing.


As for miserable human beings, you're pissing and moaning about a WR3, in day 2 of free agency, and you're crying like a spoiled child because someone is pointing out that you're being misleading with your posts about that WR.

It doesn't get much more miserable than that.

 

[Simpelton]

Only a miserable human being discusses things with the tone you do. You're truly a very tough and imposing figure using insults in every paragraph via the internet. Embarrassing.

On topic:

I used last year's stats because you deliberately posted false info to argue your point:

''However, since you've chosen to highlight that Detroit game, I'll highlight every other one of Dorsett's games before Gordon came onto the scene and displaced him:

Catches/Targets
7/7
5/7
4/7
3/3
total: 19/24''

The last two games are games where both Gordon and Dorsett played, against the Colts and Dolphins, so Dorsett only had 3 games without Gordon, one of which was the Lions game. Which is why i showed the actual 5-6 previous games that Dorsett played without Gordon. But it didn't suit your argument so you descended into a tirade of insults.

And of course having only one decent playoff game that resulted in 4 catches/40 yards/1 TD is ''a stupid argument''. Who would ever want a receiver that can actually create separation and perform in the playoffs? We had ONE capable receiver this year after the Gordon suspension, and the door was wide open for Dorsett to establish himself and he didn't.

Dorsett has 7 catches for 120 yards in these 2 playoff runs combined. Which averages out to 1,4 catch per game and 24 yards. For a simple comparison, Amendola had 152 yards on 8 catches, and Hogan had 128 yards on 6 catches in last years Super Bowl alone.

The crux of your argument that Dorsett was ''on pace'' to have so-and-so catches makes no sense.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had 11 TD passes in the first three games. I guess he was on pace to have 50+ TD's. Ended with 17 for the season but who's counting?

This was a pretty weak argument. Yes Dorsettt's production was low if you tie the two postseasons together, because most of that production was in the most recent postseason, and we weren't actually counting on Dorsett for very much production at all in 2017-2018.

And yet we could all see the number of times that Dorsett was open and Brady opted to throw to another receiver, usually Edelman or Amendola. Anyone with a shred of objectivity would grade Dorsett on a curve based on this.

It takes a miserable human being indeed to blame Dorsett for not being a big feature of an offense that didn't ask, expect, or arguably even permit Dorsett to make a large contribution.

With that said he STILL had the highest catch rate per target of any receiver who got significant snaps last year. I expect that to go down a bit if he starts really being a major piece of the offense and drawing coverage accordingly, but getting up into the ~500 yard level next year is going to be a matter of whether he gets the targets, not whether he's good enough to produce at that level -- he is.