Amazing stat/fact regarding Aaron Rodgers

[Deus Irae]

I don’t think anyone was wondering about those three.

I wouldn’t think of putting Roethlisberger is in the same class here as Brees or Rodgers, though I agree he is right below them. Warner deserves strong consideration if McNabb, Luck, Ryan, and Newton made the cut.

Good call on Warner. I'd forgotten that his first year was 1998 (UDFA status meant I had no reminder when I went and looked at drafted QBs). He'd be on the list somewhere, no question.

 

[Tony2046]

I use Manning's rookie year as the cutoff. I think that, while there's a chance for some of the more recent draftees to impact the list, the top 11 seem pretty clear, with the top 2 being obvious, and the rest being more fungible.

Brady
P. Manning

The order of the next 3 is arguable, imo, though I think most people would slot Roethlisberger as the least of the 3:

Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger

The rest are in no particular order:

McNabb
Rivers
Ryan
Newton
Wilson
Luck

And, in case anyone is wondering, I did not forget about Eli, Flacco or Palmer (might have made it if he hadn't had that knee injury that changed his career).

Nice list.

What do you think of this?

Brady
-------------------

P. Manning
Brees
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Rodgers
Roethlisberger
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McNabb
Rivers
Ryan
Newton
Wilson
Luck

 

[Deus Irae]

Nice list.

What do you think of this?

Brady
-------------------

P. Manning
Brees
-------------------------

Rodgers
Roethlisberger
---------------------------

McNabb
Rivers
Ryan
Newton
Wilson
Luck

I think we've all got some room to maneuver with a lot of these guys, so I'm not hating your list, though I really do think Peyton is the clear #2.

 

[Tony2046]

I think Rodgers vs Peyton at #2 is a debate. Rodgers may lose because he had to sit for the first three years of his career, so Peyton gets a big start out of the gate. But if you adjust for that, it's pretty close. I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions given that it's not a topic that's discussed that much, given that everyone's just compared to Brady.

That's a tough debate.

 

[TB_Helmet]

I don't think Rodgers is competitive with Manning. For all of Manning's short comings at the end of games they were typically in the playoffs. But Manning could get it done in the 4th quarter during the regular season. Rodgers can't even do that. Not to mention when Rodgers has a bad defense he has losing seasons, with ironically the 15-1 year being the lone exception. Manning had 5 or 6 winning seasons with his defense ranked low 20's or worse.

I just don't put Rodgers in that category. Fun to watch, great arm but turtles in the biggest of moments in not so big games..

Fair enough, maybe I'm just so conditioned on the Brady vs Pink Head debate from last decade that I carry those talking points over when I put him up vs Rodgers! I'd be interested to hear perspectives from other fanbases too (Packers / Colts / neutral).

ETA: one interesting aspect of the discussion is that Rodgers's lack of comebacks is likely due to his risk aversion -- you have to make a lot of risky throws that could potentially be picked off to really come back all the way (see Brady the last couple drives against the Falcons).

When Peyton lost hilariously in the playoffs, it was usually because he threw a back-breaking interception to seal it. But at least he was throwing them, demonstrating his willingness to take that risk. And as has been noted, he was able to stage plenty of comebacks in the regular season and even a few in the playoffs (don't want to go into detail on one of those...). Clear difference between him and Rodgers on that front.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Fair enough, maybe I'm just so conditioned on the Brady vs Pink Head debate from last decade that I carry those talking points over when I put him up vs Rodgers! I'd be interested to hear perspectives from other fanbases too (Packers / Colts / neutral).

ETA: one interesting aspect of the discussion is that Rodgers's lack of comebacks is likely due to his risk aversion -- you have to make a lot of risky throws that could potentially be picked off to really come back all the way (see Brady the last couple drives against the Falcons).

When Peyton lost hilariously in the playoffs, it was usually because he threw a back-breaking interception to seal it. But at least he was throwing them, demonstrating his willingness to take that risk. And as has been noted, he was able to stage plenty of comebacks in the regular season and even a few in the playoffs (don't want to go into detail on one of those...). Clear difference between him and Rodgers on that front.

Just to belabor the point, here is a quote from Brady from the NESN article linked to on the sidebar at the moment:

“…Maybe part of my problem as I’ve gotten older is I want to make so few mistakes,” Brady said. “Maybe there’s not as much aggressiveness as I would like because with aggressiveness comes more risk. We have like a 95 percent chance of winning when we don’t turn the ball over and I think that’s always in the back of my mind. So being a little less fearful with the ball and a little more aggressive. I thought we did a better job of that yesterday, and hopefully we can keep that going.”

Brady knows that Aaron Rodgers Syndrome is a problem, and while understandable, he has to make a conscious effort to overcome it.

 

[robbomango]

Aaron Rodgers Syndrome lmao...

 

[robbomango]

“Your QB hasn’t won a game in 6 weeks but has a nice stat line and hasn’t thrown any pics, he may be suffering from a mild case of ARS”

 

[XLIX]

I hate what these rules are doing to the NFL but i wish MLB would’ve never cleaned up the sport. To me that 98 McGwire Sosa season baseball had never been so entertaining.

They never should have cleaned up the Olympics either.

 

[Nehalem]

Fair enough, maybe I'm just so conditioned on the Brady vs Pink Head debate from last decade that I carry those talking points over when I put him up vs Rodgers! I'd be interested to hear perspectives from other fanbases too (Packers / Colts / neutral).

ETA: one interesting aspect of the discussion is that Rodgers's lack of comebacks is likely due to his risk aversion -- you have to make a lot of risky throws that could potentially be picked off to really come back all the way (see Brady the last couple drives against the Falcons).

When Peyton lost hilariously in the playoffs, it was usually because he threw a back-breaking interception to seal it. But at least he was throwing them, demonstrating his willingness to take that risk. And as has been noted, he was able to stage plenty of comebacks in the regular season and even a few in the playoffs (don't want to go into detail on one of those...). Clear difference between him and Rodgers on that front.

Aaron Rodgers currently has a 20-1 TD-int ratio. This would shatter the current record, held by Brady, where he went 28-2.

The difference is Brady was 11-1, while Rodgers is 4-6-1 .

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I wouldn't throw her out of bed , but I'll agree she's overrated. Lots of models have prettier faces and the skinny fashion supermodel body type has never really done it for me.

Even his romantic game has evolved . . . Tara Reid to Bridget Moynihan to Gisele.

 

[Coolade2]

So your position is AR would have had more success in NE than Tom?

Ah yes.. the 64k question...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady
----------------
Manning
Rodgers
----------------
Brees
----------------
Roethlisberger
Warner
-----------------
McNair
Rivers
Romo
Ryan
Wilson

 

[Joker]

Ah yes.. the 64k question...

more like the .64 cent question. Only a godyamned NITWIT would entertain such a ludicrous idea.

 

[Gronk]

Not sure why so many are so unwilling to put Manning alone at #2. His rivalry with Brady - in which he was largely successful later in his career - not only elevates him, but ignoring it also cheapens Brady’s success. Manning’s 2nd SB is trash, but he is unquestionably the #2 to TB in their “era”. It’s GOAT, #2, and the rest of them.

Brees/Rodgers/Rapist in the next set - all three of whom have the opportunity to elevate themselves above the others by what they do with what’s left of their careers.

 

[Joker]

like how everyone forgets Elway

 

[RobertWeathers]

like how everyone forgets Elway

Not me.

Anyone who looks at those DEN rosters on offense under Reeves will appreciate how much Elway carried those teams.

Once Shanny surrounded him with offensive talent his numbers became comparable with league leaders.

Elway is a Top 5 GOAT QB

 

[PatsFan2]

I don’t think anyone was wondering about those three.

I wouldn’t think of putting Roethlisberger is in the same class here as Brees or Rodgers, though I agree he is right below them. Warner deserves strong consideration if McNabb, Luck, Ryan, and Newton made the cut.

Ben has more Blings than any of them though.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ah yes.. the 64k question...

It continues to blow my mind how there are still people out there who think a QB is better just because he has a stronger arm, is faster running and has gaudy stats.

 

[Fatmancryin]

I would like to see proof of the validity of that stat. I find that hard to believe.