Wtf happened with Brissett deal?

[HailHydra]

How were his stats better than Hoyer’s?

How were his stats top tier backup?
His stats were terrible and got worse as the season wore on.
He was a 54% passer leading his team to 14 ppg in the last month and a half of the season.

There's a reason why a season isn't the last month and a half. If he played poorly in the latter half of the season, then he must have played okay in the first half of the season.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They have arguably the worst OL in football. Not far fetched to think Wilson can't do everything by himself anymore, esp as he gets older, takes more punishment etc.

The resources should be spent drafting an olineman then

 

[HailHydra]

What happened with the Jacoby Brissett trade? Well, you see Bill Belichick had 3 good QBs but only wanted one. The apple of his eye and favorite texting buddy Jimmy G.

Brissett had to be moved to set the groundwork for what Belichick hoped would be a convincing argument to Bob Kraft to allow him to discard Brady and hand the job to Garappolo. As long as Brissett was around as a talented backup and possible successor, Belichick would not be able to convince Kraft to double cross his GOAT QB (again) and allow him to trade Brady rather than Garappolo.

The argument still didn’t work. So, we now have Philip Dorsett who’s yet to prove he’s capable of running anything other than a go route and a backup QB whose only attribute is knowing the offense and the Colts have a QB who saved them from being a complete embarrassment last season and whose owner (albeit drug addled) says they wouldn’t trade for a 1st rounder.

This

 

[HailHydra]

Also, I'm pretty sure the Seahawks did offer the 2nd rounder for Brissett. A large variety of sources have it posted, and I doubt that its made up.

 

[Oswlek]

Somehow I overlooked this:

Typically, even an average backup quarterback is traded for something like a 2nd or 3rd pick

Can anyone offer a single example of a 2nd or 3rd rounder being traded for a QB where the intent wasn't to replace the incumbent?

 

[Simpelton]

All indications are the Brissett was going to get cut last year, so the complaint isn't about what they got in return for him but giving up on him too quickly.

There is no chance Seattle offered a 2nd for him. It's too stupid a move for a FO that has proven to be quite competent.

There was no valid indication that Brissett was going to get cut. Until the trade, which happened because of injuries to the receiver corps, Jacoby was in the plans as a long term project QB who was a fair shot to do the Matt Cassell thing to finish the season for the team if TB12 went down.

That was less valuable for the team at the time than rebuilding the receiver depth, but with 1 QB approaching FA and the other one being potentially one injury away from retirement for the rest of his career, there's NWIH they were going to simply cut Brissett.

 

[Ring 6]

There's a reason why a season isn't the last month and a half. If he played poorly in the latter half of the season, then he must have played okay in the first half of the season.

No because he was poor all season and progressively worse as teams got tape on him.
I mean, other than be on the field, what did he do last season that you are excited about or thunk was good?

 

[Sciz]

Also, I'm pretty sure the Seahawks did offer the 2nd rounder for Brissett. A large variety of sources have it posted, and I doubt that its made up.

The way sports media works now, we get numerous headlines that look like they’re confirming the report when really the article just cites the original report without any additional confirmation. Who has independently corroborated Volin’s report?

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Also, I'm pretty sure the Seahawks did offer the 2nd rounder for Brissett. A large variety of sources have it posted, and I doubt that its made up.

Really? A large variety of sources have it posted? Could it possibly be that someone broke a story and lots of places picked it up?

I sure do remember a hell of a lot more sites than BSPN claiming that 11 of 12 footballs were over 2 psi underinflated.

 

[HailHydra]

Really? A large variety of sources have it posted? Could it possibly be that someone broke a story and lots of places picked it up?

I sure do remember a hell of a lot more sites than BSPN claiming that 11 of 12 footballs were over 2 psi underinflated.

I consider ESPN to be a reputable source and I've long moved past Deflategate, which honestly, probably was us.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

I consider ESPN to be a reputable source and I've long moved past Deflategate, which honestly, probably was us.

What?

 

[Oswlek]

There was no valid indication that Brissett was going to get cut. Until the trade, which happened because of injuries to the receiver corps, Jacoby was in the plans as a long term project QB who was a fair shot to do the Matt Cassell thing to finish the season for the team if TB12 went down.

That was less valuable for the team at the time than rebuilding the receiver depth, but with 1 QB approaching FA and the other one being potentially one injury away from retirement for the rest of his career, there's NWIH they were going to simply cut Brissett.

Then why did I know well before the trade happened that Brissett was likely off the team?

The whispers that Brissett was a goner were loud enough for a nobody like me to hear. That they traded him for Indy's own bubble boy pretty much confirms it.

 

[HailHydra]

No because he was poor all season and progressively worse as teams got tape on him.
I mean, other than be on the field, what did he do last season that you are excited about or thunk was good?

Nothing good. But enough to be worth something. He played on the same level as Flacco, Manning, Mariota, and Cutler last year. Each of those players, while not being the guy you want to start, have value.

 

[Ring 6]

I consider ESPN to be a reputable source and I've long moved past Deflategate, which honestly, probably was us.

Did you just say that Tom Brady is responsible for the laws of science?

 

[Simpelton]

Brissett is better than Hoyer.

Err... Hoyer is 16-21, Brissett is 3-13. Not sure you can say that with any confidence.

He wasn't good for us. He played one game in which they gave him a college offense to run against a checked out Texas team, and then in the next he was completely overmatched against Ryan's Bills.

That "checked out" Texans team made the playoffs. And Brissett played against the Bills with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. That's pretty laudable all by itself.

Let's make no bones about it. That Colts team was BAD. B-A-D BAD. Andrew Luck had failed to coax a winning record out of this team the previous year. They had crap for an OL, crap for a running game, no ability to create pressure on the opposing QB, and their secondary was a joke.

I followed them last year and they specialized in one thing and one thing only -- 4th quarter meltdowns. Brissett isn't a great QB, he can't cover for a team that plays 45 minutes and throws in the towel. They melted down at least 6 times that season to lose games that Brissett had given them a chance to win. If that Colts team had been able to take care of business for a full 60 minutes, Brissett goes 7-9 or even 8-8. Even if they'd won half the games they'd had a lead in the 4th quarter, that's a 6-10 or 7-11 team.

They didn't have an offensive line worth a damn, they didn't have a running game, and yet Brissett virtually on his own managed to give the Colts a fighting chance far more often than not. For a guy who doesn't have a top end skillset, that's pretty damn impressive.

 

[HailHydra]

What?

Do you honestly think that the court system of the US is so flawed that they'd incorrectly hold the Patriots at fault?

 

[HailHydra]

Err... Hoyer is 16-21, Brissett is 3-13. Not sure you can say that with any confidence.


That "checked out" Texans team made the playoffs. And Brissett played against the Bills with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. That's pretty laudable all by itself.

Let's make no bones about it. That Colts team was BAD. B-A-D BAD. Andrew Luck had failed to coax a winning record out of this team the previous year.

I followed them last year and they specialized in one thing and one thing only -- 4th quarter meltdowns. Brissett isn't a great QB, he can't cover for a team that plays 45 minutes and throws in the towel. They melted down at least 6 times that season to lose games that Brissett had given them a chance to win. If that Colts team had been able to take care of business for a full 60 minutes, Brissett goes 7-9 or even 8-8. Even if they'd won half the games they'd had a lead in the 4th quarter, that's a 6-10 or 7-11 team.

They didn't have an offensive line worth a damn, they didn't have a running game, and yet Brissett managed to give the Colts a fighting chance far more often than not. For a guy who doesn't have a top end skillset, that's pretty damn impressive.

Last year, Hoyer was 0-6 on a team that was similar talent-wise to the Colts.

 

[HailHydra]

Did you just say that Tom Brady is responsible for the laws of science?

If professional investigations and court rulings say that Brady's responsible for the laws of science, then Brady's probably responsible for the laws of science. #Goat

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Do you honestly think that the court system of the US is so flawed that they'd incorrectly hold the Patriots at fault?

Wow. WOW! I'm out.

 

[Simpelton]

Last year, Hoyer was 0-6 on a team that was similar talent-wise to the Colts.

Did you go back and look at the scores of those games?

Hoyer and Brissett are replacement guys. Their job is not to carry the team. Their job is to be adequate, give the team a fighting chance and let other areas of the team carry the team.

you can't put wins and losses on the quarterback unless the quarterback is one of your best players. That was definitely not the case with Hoyer on the 49ers, and probably not the case with Brissett on the Colts either.