Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[Ras-IR Dowling]

No, I'm not twisting it into that whatsoever. I'm pushing back on any argument that invokes Belichick's coaching success in order to justify the Butler/SB52 situation. I see users reducing the situation to a mere "tough decision" and shifting the argument to that very broad category rather than addressing things head-on.

If users really want to go with "but Belichick's history!", then let's not ignore his routine in-game or half-time adjustments. An experienced Super Bowl veteran, #2 CB, with 98% of the season's snaps played, was sitting right there on the bench. Even if you want to claim that Belichick adjusted with Bademosi or Richards (!!!), it was clearly not working. The defense hit rock bottom and this was blatantly obvious by the mid-4th quarter at the very latest, when it was still a one-possession game and enough opportunity for adjustments. Yet Belichick still refused to play him. Simply inexcusable.

Also, I don't want to hear about how he "wasn't a part of the game plan" or "hadn't practiced well that week". I already brought this up before, but do you really think Butler was a part of SB 49's game plan as a rookie UDFA who had barely played all year long? Do you not remember him screwing up the goal-line pick play in practice?

Apparently it’s wrong to question BB because of his overall success. I don’t know anyone on here arguing against the guy being the GOAT HC and of course he’s made more good decisions than bad but it doesn’t make the man immune from criticism. And the way he handled the butler situation and the game in general was awful. That being said I still wouldn’t want any other coach running things.

 

[aluminum seats]

Wrong. If he was demoted because he wasn’t prepared and melted down, which we know he did, it would be normal for a football coach to say I can’t rely on this player today.

You are a parody.

 

[The Brandon Five]

This is totally hypocritical of what you said back on page 173 which was in reference to a post from page 122.

I don’t see any post by me on Page 178...

 

[TBR]

And you are wrong to.
You take a mans decisions as a whole. You can’t look at good ones without considering bad ones and vice versa.
If there were no reason to bench butler and B.B. did it anyway his overall decision making results would still be far ahead of any coach alive.

Get this BS out of here. The level of dishonesty among the Belichick defenders in this thread is absolutely shocking. His coaching history is NOT relevant to the situation. Stop deflecting to this and don't tell me I have to kiss his rings before thinking about daring to argue that he royally screwed up in the Super Bowl. That's the essence of what you're telling me.

How can you judge any decision without the facts?

I have just as much information as you do, except I don't deflect to irrelevant factors to rationalize the inexcusable, something which I laid out with context, yet all you could reply was:

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

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In fact he was. They work multiple times in practice with butler on the play he got the int on. B.B. literally practiced him into that play.

More nonsense. The only reason Butler played in SB 49 was due to Arrington's struggles and you know it. Don't try to tell me that they would've subbed in a rookie UDFA on that crucial goal-line play otherwise.

How did he screw it up and then get cia he’d up if he wasn’t part of the game plan?

English please.

 

[aluminum seats]

Do none of the hundreds of post seep into your brain. He dressed and he was benched so there is at least one reason that fits and that's a fact.

Sigh. A reason that justifies what occurred. Not just a reason. There is a reason for every stupid decision that’s ever been made.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Get this BS out of here. The level of dishonesty among the Belichick defenders in this thread is absolutely shocking. His coaching history is NOT relevant to the situation. Stop deflecting to this and don't tell me I have to kiss his rings before thinking about daring to argue that he royally screwed up in the Super Bowl. That's the essence of what you're telling me.



I have just as much information as you do, except I don't deflect to irrelevant factors to rationalize the inexcusable, something which I laid out with context, yet all you could reply was:





More nonsense. The only reason Butler played in SB 49 was due to Arrington's struggles and you know it. Don't try to tell me that they would've subbed in a rookie UDFA on that crucial goal-line play otherwise.


English please.

I love that line “what gives you the right to judge the decision without the facts” when the Supporters of the benching are judging as well.

 

[Tony2046]

Apparently it’s wrong to question BB because of his overall success. I don’t know anyone on here arguing against the guy being the GOAT HC and of course he’s made more good decisions than bad but it doesn’t make the man immune from criticism. And the way he handled the butler situation and the game in general was awful. That being said I still wouldn’t want any other coach running things.

I think it should be considered a given that no one is arguing that BB isn't the greatest coach.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I think it should be considered a given that no one is arguing that BB isn't the greatest coach.

You would think so.

 

[Boomer B]

That scenario totally explains what happened if it’s true and is supported by the facts.

HAHA, if it’s true and supported by facts! That’s what your hanging on? You can literally say that about anything.

Let’s just start a bunch of rumours and then clarify at the end “if it’s true and supported by facts”.

I’ll start

- Bill Belichick was having a secret affair with Malcolm Butler. The day before the Super Bowl Malcolm dumped him. Bill got his revenge, dropping Butler from the starting lineup right before kickoff. Both parties won’t say a word as neither want this affair to become public. I deem that this could have happened if it’s true and supported by facts.

 

[Ring 6]

Get this BS out of here. The level of dishonesty among the Belichick defenders in this thread is absolutely shocking. His coaching history is NOT relevant to the situation. Stop deflecting to this and don't tell me I have to kiss his rings before thinking about daring to argue that he royally screwed up in the Super Bowl. That's the essence of what you're telling me.

That’s not even in the universe of what I’m telling you.
I’m telling you if you judge someone’s decisions you have to judge them as a whole.
You can’t pick one and say he should think like you then say your idea would have worked, AND he still would have had all the success he had.
Every coach has a method of managing his players. Every single one of them makes decisions consistent with that method that fail. Maybe Jasob garret would have played butler and MAYBE it would have worked out better but Jason Garrett wouldn’t have won the other 5 SBs and wouldn’t have gotten this team to this one.

But more importantly given the track record of Belichick and the fact that you have no idea why the decision was made you should be smart enough to understand there was a reason Belichick benched butler that you don’t comprehend.

I have just as much information as you do, except I don't deflect to irrelevant factors to rationalize the inexcusable, something which I laid out with context, yet all you could reply was:

What you said was not laid out with context it was unintelligible. Perhaps you should try again.
I’m not deflecting anything. I am taking the facts we know and reconciling them with what happened. It’s not that hard.

More nonsense. The only reason Butler played in SB 49 was due to Arrington's struggles and you know it.

Wrong. Butler was in the goal line package which is why they practiced him against that route.

Don't try to tell me that they would've subbed in a rookie UDFA on that crucial goal-line play otherwise.

Of course they would have. He was part of that package.

English please.

The typo was “coached up”

 

[Ring 6]

HAHA, if it’s true and supported by facts! That’s what your hanging on? You can literally say that about anything.

Butler admitted he wasn’t prepared.
Players said they knew butler wasn’t working with the 1s and wouldn’t start.
You saw the result of butlers meltdown during the anthem just like I did
Facts.

Let’s just start a bunch of rumours and then clarify at the end “if it’s true and supported by facts”.

Everything I said is supported by fact. No rumor at all.

I’ll start

- Bill Belichick was having a secret affair with Malcolm Butler. The day before the Super Bowl Malcolm dumped him. Bill got his revenge, dropping Butler from the starting lineup right before kickoff. Both parties won’t say a word as neither want this affair to become public. I deem that this could have happened if it’s true and supported by facts.

If that’s what you want to believe ok, I don’t think you will find any agreement, but I don’t thnk you understand what facts are.

 

[Ring 6]

I love that line “what gives you the right to judge the decision without the facts” when the Supporters of the benching are judging as well.

I haven’t seen a “supporter of the benching” but I have seen people take the position that if Bill Belichick benched Malcolm butler for the Sb there was a reason and butler did something to prompt that decision.
You seem to want to think it was done with a ouija board.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I haven’t seen a “supporter of the benching” but I have seen people take the position that if Bill Belichick benched Malcolm butler for the Sb there was a reason and butler did something to prompt that decision.
You seem to want to think it was done with a ouija board.

Your unreal dude. Seriously.

 

[Joker]

I don’t see any post by me on Page 178...

that's because I deleted all my previous posts which sent your post back to page 177...check it out

 

[TBR]

That’s not even in the universe of what I’m telling you.
I’m telling you if you judge someone’s decisions you have to judge them as a whole.
You can’t pick one and say he should think like you then say your idea would have worked, AND he still would have had all the success he had.
Every coach has a method of managing his players. Every single one of them makes decisions consistent with that method that fail. Maybe Jasob garret would have played butler and MAYBE it would have worked out better but Jason Garrett wouldn’t have won the other 5 SBs and wouldn’t have gotten this team to this one.

But more importantly given the track record of Belichick and the fact that you have no idea why the decision was made you should be smart enough to understand there was a reason Belichick benched butler that you don’t comprehend.

I’m not deflecting anything. I am taking the facts we know and reconciling them with what happened. It’s not that hard.

For the last goddamn time...

NOT RELEVANT.

NOT AN ARGUMENT.

STOP DEFLECTING.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

For the last goddamn time...

NOT RELEVANT.

NOT AN ARGUMENT.

STOP DEFLECTING.

Ah yes Glad to see im not the only one that feels like this when having a discussion with this guy.

 

[TBR]

Ah yes Glad to see im not the only one that feels like this when having a discussion with this guy.

It's all so tiresome.

 

[supafly]

Any suggestions?

I was thinking something straight and to the point, like “Did you come here to get your nuts stomped?” or maybe just a plea for help like KILL ME, BUTLER, KILL ME.

 

[Joker]

 

[Ring 6]

For the last goddamn time...

NOT RELEVANT.

NOT AN ARGUMENT.

STOP DEFLECTING.

Of course it’s relevant.