Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[fnordcircle]

Are you also re-living, by the minute, the coaching brain farts by Pete Carroll

This wasn't a mistake by Carroll it was phenomenal situational awareness by Belichick. Belichick himself has gone over why throwing was the right call there because of the timeout and time left.

I think there's a ton that the "genius" does that is lost on us fans because he's not a ****ing air quotes genius he's an actual genius when it comes to football.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

You don't know why Butler was benched so stop pretending you're in a position to tell us what was or wasn't warranted and what was or wasn't a mistake.

And stop it with nothing warrants benching and dressing. Because something made Bill play it that way.

You sound like you may know something that made Bill play it the way he did. Maybe something that’s been eating at you for weeks, months and you need to get off your chest?Just remember we’re all friends here, this is a safe zone you can tell us anything.

 

[captain stone]

In case of injury.

Then Butler should've played, because Glitch Richards & Jonny Badmostly were causing us all a great deal of pain.

 

[captain stone]

Has the title of this thread changed a couple/few times today? Kind of looking forward to what it may be down the road. Suddenly, I’m interested again.

Any suggestions?

Little Bill's Big Feckup?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Kahn ... all day long.

Not a wrong answer.

 

[aluminum seats]

You don't know why Butler was benched so stop pretending you're in a position to tell us what was or wasn't warranted and what was or wasn't a mistake.

Do none of the hundreds of posts addressing this seep into your brain?

The point is no “why” we can IMAGINE justifies what happened.

If Malcolm Butler killed a man, we would agree he shouldn’t play. HE PLAYED. So your rumors are meaningless, because there is no reason that fits the facts. Hence the dialed in nonsense.

 

[Ring 6]

Do none of the hundreds of posts addressing this seep into your brain?

The point is no “why” we can IMAGINE justifies what happened.

If Malcolm Butler killed a man, we would agree he shouldn’t play. HE PLAYED. So your rumors are meaningless, because there is no reason that fits the facts. Hence the dialed in nonsense.

If Malcolm butler didn’t take learning the game plan seriously, practiced poorly and melted down when told he was going to cb3 it explains everything.

 

[aluminum seats]

If Malcolm butler didn’t take learning the game plan seriously, practiced poorly and melted down when told he was going to cb3 it explains everything.

He would have had to literally melt into a puddle to be worse than what was on the field, so no.

Actually, scratch that, the puddle would have been an improvement, someone might have slipped on it, which means the puddle would tackle better than Bademosi.

 

[Boomer B]

If Malcolm butler didn’t take learning the game plan seriously, practiced poorly and melted down when told he was going to cb3 it explains everything.

Nice stretch. I hope you’re not serious.

 

[Ring 6]

Nice stretch. I hope you’re not serious.

That scenario totally explains what happened if it’s true and is supported by the facts.

 

[Ring 6]

He would have had to literally melt into a puddle to be worse than what was on the field, so no.

Actually, scratch that, the puddle would have been an improvement, someone might have slipped on it, which means the puddle would tackle better than Bademosi.

Wrong. If he was demoted because he wasn’t prepared and melted down, which we know he did, it would be normal for a football coach to say I can’t rely on this player today.

 

[Tunescribe]

Here is the bottom line, in my humble opinion: It matters not what Butler did or didn't do to get benched. What REALLY matters is whether you trust BB's judgment and how he handled it.

 

[Froob]

I think the big mistake was not throwing him out there around half time when the defense was getting wrecked. But, even if he plays we probably don’t win. I can’t believe how much **** Bill gets despite winning us five Lombardi’s. It’s the same guy that cut Milloy and traded Jamie Collins and Richard Seymour. He makes bold moves, sometimes they don’t pay off.

 

[The Brandon Five]

This thread might need its own sub-forum, or even be moved to a new site like the PoFo.

 

[Tony2046]

This thread might need its own sub-forum, or even be moved to a new site like the PoFo.

This is totally hypocritical of what you said back on page 173 which was in reference to a post from page 122.

 

[TBR]

If the argument being made is that Belichick made a decision consistent with his decision making formula that has produced the greatest results ever, so you have to accept the good with the bad from the guy who produces the best results, it’s a pretty good argument.
Unless of course you are living in a fantasy world where someone can have an approach that gives the best result in every situation that ever happens.

However I think you are twisting that into “Belichick makes more good decisions than anyone so that means every decision is good”. Which I doubt anyone is saying prior to you strawmanning.

No, I'm not twisting it into that whatsoever. I'm pushing back on any argument that invokes Belichick's coaching success in order to justify the Butler/SB52 situation. I see users reducing the situation to a mere "tough decision" and shifting the argument to that very broad category rather than addressing things head-on.

If users really want to go with "but Belichick's history!", then let's not ignore his routine in-game or half-time adjustments. An experienced Super Bowl veteran, #2 CB, with 98% of the season's snaps played, was sitting right there on the bench. Even if you want to claim that Belichick adjusted with Bademosi or Richards (!!!), it was clearly not working. The defense hit rock bottom and this was blatantly obvious by the mid-4th quarter at the very latest, when it was still a one-possession game and enough opportunity for adjustments. Yet Belichick still refused to play him. Simply inexcusable.

Also, I don't want to hear about how he "wasn't a part of the game plan" or "hadn't practiced well that week". I already brought this up before, but do you really think Butler was a part of SB 49's game plan as a rookie UDFA who had barely played all year long? Do you not remember him screwing up the goal-line pick play in practice?

 

[signbabybrady]

Do none of the hundreds of posts addressing this seep into your brain?

The point is no “why” we can IMAGINE justifies what happened.

If Malcolm Butler killed a man, we would agree he shouldn’t play. HE PLAYED. So your rumors are meaningless, because there is no reason that fits the facts. Hence the dialed in nonsense.

Do none of the hundreds of post seep into your brain. He dressed and he was benched so there is at least one reason that fits and that's a fact.

 

[Joker]

I'm reporting this thread to the SPCA....this has gotten horrifying

 

[Ring 6]

No, I'm not twisting it into that whatsoever. I'm pushing back on any argument that invokes Belichick's coaching success in order to justify the Butler/SB52 situation.

And you are wrong to.
You take a mans decisions as a whole. You can’t look at good ones without considering bad ones and vice versa.
If there were no reason to bench butler and B.B. did it anyway his overall decision making results would still be far ahead of any coach alive.

I see users reducing the situation to a mere "tough decision" and shifting the argument to that very broad category rather than addressing things head-on.

How can you judge any decision without the facts?

If users really want to go with "but Belichick's history!", then let's not ignore his routine in-game or half-time adjustments. An experienced Super Bowl veteran, #2 CB, with 98% of the season's snaps played, was sitting right there on the bench. Even if you want to claim that Belichick adjusted with Bademosi or Richards (!!!), it was clearly not working.

I believe butler was unavailable because he was unprepared to play.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

The defense hit rock bottom and this was blatantly obvious by the mid-4th quarter at the very latest, when it was still a one-possession game and enough opportunity for adjustments. Yet Belichick still refused to play him. Simply inexcusable.

Because B.B. believe butler was unprepared to play. He doesn’t become prepared to play because of the score.

Also, I don't want to hear about how he "wasn't a part of the game plan" or "hadn't practiced well that week". I already brought this up before, but do you really think Butler was a part of SB 49's game plan as a rookie UDFA who had barely played all year long?

In fact he was. They work multiple times in practice with butler on the play he got the int on. B.B. literally practiced him into that play.

Do you not remember him screwing up the goal-line pick play in practice?

How did he screw it up and then get cia he’d up if he wasn’t part of the game plan?

 

[Ring 6]

Do none of the hundreds of post seep into your brain. He dressed and he was benched so there is at least one reason that fits and that's a fact.

He dressed because we were short on corners.

My belief is actually he dressed to be cb3 and when he melted down his coach felt he wasn’t prepared to play.
The 1 special teams snap was probably because the st coach didn’t get word until
after he played 1 play, otherwise he would have played st all game.