Bill Parcells regrets leaving the Patriots

[Steve102]

Folks, we need to remember just how bad it was here before Parcells came aboard. 1-15 Under Rod Rust, 2-14 under **** MacPherson, 5-11 under Raymond Berry in his last year. Even the great Chuck Fairbanks had his 3-11 season. Historically, they were bad, with intermittent periods of mediocrity, with an occasional 10-6 to give us hope. Parcells made the Patriots relevant. They became a real NFL team under his watch, with all his bluster and BS. Look, the Super Bowl fiasco was a mess, and none of it would've happened, IMO, if Kraft didn't force Tuna to take Terry Glenn when he was at the top of the draft board. But the reality is, in Parcells' words, they could've had an archery match at the old building and not hit anyone in the stands. It was bad. I would go so far as to say that if Parcells wasn't here, Kraft might not have bought the team. Who the hell knows. His "I never should've left" certainly smacks of ego/jealousy, but, to quote BB, it is what it is. I will always look back in fondness when I recall the four years we had Parcells.

Having said that, Belichick is 10 times the coach. We never would've experienced 5 wins out of 8 SB's with Parcells. It was too much about him.

 

[Ring 6]

Folks, we need to remember just how bad it was here before Parcells came aboard. 1-15 Under Rod Rust, 2-14 under **** MacPherson, 5-11 under Raymond Berry in his last year. Even the great Chuck Fairbanks had his 3-11 season. Historically, they were bad, with intermittent periods of mediocrity, with an occasional 10-6 to give us hope. Parcells made the Patriots relevant.

We experience 5-11 6-10 the “occasional 10-6” and one and dine in his first 3 years.

They became a real NFL team under his watch, with all his bluster and BS. Look, the Super Bowl fiasco was a mess, and none of it would've happened, IMO, if Kraft didn't force Tuna to take Terry Glenn when he was at the top of the draft board. But the reality is, in Parcells' words, they could've had an archery match at the old building and not hit anyone in the stands. It was bad. I would go so far as to say that if Parcells wasn't here, Kraft might not have bought the team. Who the hell knows. His "I never should've left" certainly smacks of ego/jealousy, but, to quote BB, it is what it is. I will always look back in fondness when I recall the four years we had Parcells.

Having said that, Belichick is 10 times the coach. We never would've experienced 5 wins out of 8 SB's with Parcells. It was too much about him.

I’m glad parcells was here too, but he had 3 years of mediocrity then sold the team out when they had a good season.

 

[oldrover]

Parcells was like a meteorite.

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Burns fast and hot and goes a thousand miles an hour...

...for a while.

 

[Off The Grid]

Folks, we need to remember just how bad it was here before Parcells came aboard.

No kidding.

That doesn't make'm any less of a Scumbag. Just 'cause a guy who cheats on'is girlfriend buys her a necklace doesn't mean he's any less of a scumbag.

Benedict Arnold? He was a fine General.

 

[Steve102]

No kidding.

That doesn't make'm any less of a Scumbag. Just 'cause a guy who cheats on'is girlfriend buys her a necklace doesn't mean he's any less of a scumbag.

Benedict Arnold? He was a fine General.

I don't disagree with any of this, or any of your other points. I just choose to look at that time as when the franchise began to emerge from the darkness.

Kraft wouldn't have developed a relationship with BB without those years. and we had to go thru Pete Carroll as well. I just don't look at it as all bad. Parcells was an arrogant, pompous blowhard who loved to hear himself talk. He eff'ed us out of a SB win. On purpose. But yet, it's miles away from the dark times.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

But, what is known and often reported in the NY Tabloids is that he was in the Jets' Draft Room during the 2000 Draft and ignored the Head Scout who was yelling at him to take Brady at 179 in Round Six. Instead, they took DE Tony Scott, who played one season and was gone from the League.

Pretty sure NO team (including the Patriots) were having shouting matches over what player should or shouldn't be the 179th (or 199th) draft pick....

 

[denverpatsfan]

F him. I will never forgive him for blowing the Super Bowl.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

F him. I will never forgive him for blowing the Super Bowl.

Yah, back then it seemed like another one of those once in a decade shots at the SB and the Tuner tuned out and blew any shot we had. Watching his eyes as they emerged onto the field I saw the thousand yard stare. His mind was not into the game.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Pretty sure NO team (including the Patriots) were having shouting matches over what player should or shouldn't be the 179th (or 199th) draft pick....

No. It's never been reported as (nor did I say it was) a "shouting match."

The story has often been reported in NY Tabloids, however, that the Head Scout was yelling that the Jets should take Brady at 179 since the Jets had filled their planned needs in the first five rounds and the scout had seen beyond the errors of Lloyd Carr (as has been amply reported, Carr didn't let Brady start until his third year and then made him platoon with Drew Henson at the start of his senior year) and was amazed that he had fallen that far.

As far as I know, no one yelled back at the scout, thus creating a "shouting match;" they just ignored him, according to those reports.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yah, back then it seemed like another one of those once in a decade shots at the SB and the Tuner tuned out and blew any shot we had. Watching his eyes as they emerged onto the field I saw the thousand yard stare. His mind was not into the game.

Especially with the Broncos standing in the way of the AFC. I still can't believe how the Jaguars beat them that day in '96.

With that being said, the Packers were clearly the superior team as they were unreal. The Pats put up a good fight but Reggie White flat out took over the game.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No kidding.

That doesn't make'm any less of a Scumbag. Just 'cause a guy who cheats on'is girlfriend buys her a necklace doesn't mean he's any less of a scumbag.

Benedict Arnold? He was a fine General.

Whether he’s a scumbag or not is irrelvant. Did he make the Patriots better? Yes. Did he have a contribution to SBs 36, 38-39 with player acquisition? Yes.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No. It's never been reported as (nor did I say it was) a "shouting match."

The story has often been reported in NY Tabloids, however, that the Head Scout was yelling that the Jets should take Brady at 179 since the Jets had filled their planned needs in the first five rounds and the scout had seen beyond the errors of Lloyd Carr (as has been amply reported, Carr didn't let Brady start until his third year and then made him platoon with Drew Henson at the start of his senior year) and was amazed that he had fallen that far.

As far as I know, no one yelled back at the scout, thus creating a "shouting match;" they just ignored him, according to those reports.

People here are acting like Parcells cost the Pats the Super Bowl - as if NE were the superior team. The 1996 Packers were one of the greatest teams of all time. NE had a young core that year and was just getting it’s feet wet in super bowl experience. And a good part of the blame goes to Kraft for meddling in player personnel decisions, which he had no business doing. If Kraft were telling BB who to draft, BB would have been out the door years ago. I honestly don’t blame parcells one bit for leaving.

 

[Off The Grid]

Whether he’s a scumbag or not is irrelvant. Did he make the Patriots better? Yes. Did he have a contribution to SBs 36, 38-39 with player acquisition? Yes.

Character...is irrelevant?

Somehow though, it does not surprise me that you think so.

And you're wrong, of course. In fact, you're so obviously wrong ~ as I've already spelled out for you ~ that it's kind of amazing that anyone could miss it. But I see that you lack the capacity to grasp that, so I won't waste more time breaking it down for you. Consider yourself dismissed. I'm henceforth blackballing your sewage. Deuces.

 

[Off The Grid]

I don't disagree with any of this, or any of your other points. I just choose to look at that time as when the franchise began to emerge from the darkness.

Kraft wouldn't have developed a relationship with BB without those years. and we had to go thru Pete Carroll as well. I just don't look at it as all bad. Parcells was an arrogant, pompous blowhard who loved to hear himself talk. He eff'ed us out of a SB win. On purpose. But yet, it's miles away from the dark times.

Good stuff, Brother.

On these aspects, we certainly agree.

As I've always said: The Dawn of Modern Patriots History was not the day we drafted Tom Brady or hired Bill Belichick or even the day that Bob Kraft bought the team.

It was the day that Orthwein hired Bill Parcells.

The hitherto desolate wasteland of Patriots Nation exploded that day. I remember reading that Season Tickets Sales for that 2-14 team immediately went through the roof.

I've always been proud of our Fans for that. They knew.

After decades of phuckery and failure...they knew.

Parcells righted the course.

That is undeniable.

I've always said so...But I am wary of his trying to weasel his way back into our graces.

Kind'f like that clown around here who claims that the team betrayed him ~ because they changed their uniforms!!! ~ rather than admit that he betrayed us.

I don't hold it against him that Parcels left. Kraft changed the way we did things, so I don't blame'm for leaving. It's the way that he did it that's contemptible.

But you'll never read me denying the great things that he did here.

 

[Mark.]

Based on the last 18 years, I would regret leaving too. It's all wishful thinking anyway. He left, Belichick came, and we're a dynasty. I can live with that.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Couldn't disagree more. They had a great chance to win that game. Parcel's thought so much about Curtis Martin that he stole him with some shady contract offer but he barely gave him the fing ball in the Super Bowl?!!?! Look it up. I watched that fing game. He was the best offensive player on the field and barely touched the ball. Shameful. That will be the Parcels legacy I remember.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

People here are acting like Parcells cost the Pats the Super Bowl - as if NE were the superior team. The 1996 Packers were one of the greatest teams of all time. NE had a young core that year and was just getting it’s feet wet in super bowl experience. And a good part of the blame goes to Kraft for meddling in player personnel decisions, which he had no business doing. If Kraft were telling BB who to draft, BB would have been out the door years ago. I honestly don’t blame parcells one bit for leaving.

I think you meant to send that in response to another post as mine had nothing to do with owner's meddling.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Couldn't disagree more. They had a great chance to win that game. Parcel's thought so much about Curtis Martin that he stole him with some shady contract offer but he barely gave him the fing ball in the Super Bowl?!!?! Look it up. I watched that fing game. He was the best offensive player on the field and barely touched the ball. Shameful. That will be the Parcels legacy I remember.

I believe Martin was banged up after the Jacksonville game and was used as more of a decoy in the game against the Packers. The Packers were like one big Pro Bowl team. The Pats put up a good fight but they were way over matched. And it's not like that game was a fluke as the Packers went into Foxboro the following year and b**** slapped them again.

Is it just me or did the Pats have the coolest names during the 90's? Ty Law, Chris Slade, Lawyer Milloy, Teddy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Willie Clay, Larry Wigham, Drew Bledsoe, and the coolest FB name ever Sam Gash!

 

[Steve102]

Good stuff, Brother.

On these aspects, we certainly agree.

As I've always said: The Dawn of Modern Patriots History was not the day we drafted Tom Brady or hired Bill Belichick or even the day that Bob Kraft bought the team.

It was the day that Orthwein hired Bill Parcells.

The hitherto desolate wasteland of Patriots Nation exploded that day. I remember reading that Season Tickets Sales for that 2-14 team immediately went through the roof.

I've always been proud of our Fans for that. They knew.

After decades of phuckery and failure...they knew.

Parcells righted the course.

That is undeniable.

I've always said so...But I am wary of his trying to weasel his way back into our graces.

Kind'f like that clown around here who claims that the team betrayed him ~ because they changed their uniforms!!! ~ rather than admit that he betrayed us.

I don't hold it against him that Parcels left. Kraft changed the way we did things, so I don't blame'm for leaving. It's the way that he did it that's contemptible.

But you'll never read me denying the great things that he did here.

we are 100% on the same page. 1000%

 

[Steve102]

I believe Martin was banged up after the Jacksonville game and was used as more of a decoy in the game against the Packers. The Packers were like one big Pro Bowl team. The Pats put up a good fight but they were way over matched. And it's not like that game was a fluke as the Packers went into Foxboro the following year and b**** slapped them again.

Pete Carroll wouldn't run the ball on the GD one yard line that night, he wouldn't run it against us in the SB and he won't run the ball today, given the opportunity.

I've never been so mad at this team as I was that night, screaming WHY WON'T YOU RUN THE BALL at Pete as he went up the tunnel.