Rumor: Pats interested in Josh Rosen?

[FoxboroFlyer]

I’d trade 23 and 43 to Oakland for 10 and 2 5th round picks. Take Lamar Jackson who has just as much upside as any qb in the draft while maintaining the 31st pick and a 2nd

No.

 

[Love The Drake]

How bout we do what SF did, and trade a 2nd for a quality backup...there's an idea.

Well there is currently no active backup QB id give up a second for.
Wish we could of kept Jimmy G

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I’d trade 23 and 43 to Oakland for 10 and 2 5th round picks. Take Lamar Jackson who has just as much upside as any qb in the draft while maintaining the 31st pick and a 2nd

Well if you go off the value chart, 23 and 43 (1230pts) for 10 (1300pts) would be more likely to happen. Raiders have no reason to give us 2 5ths as well when they’re -70 in the deal as is.

 

[rochrist]

I’d trade 23 and 43 to Oakland for 10 and 2 5th round picks. Take Lamar Jackson who has just as much upside as any qb in the draft while maintaining the 31st pick and a 2nd

Oakland would be crazy to do that.

 

[DW Toys]

If Cleveland is smart, they take Barkley at number 1.

Gettleman has to win now and a qb does not help him next year.

With Barkley gone, gettleman will take Chubb over a qb because gettleman loves blue chip players and is too stupid to trade down.

That leaves the jets at number 3 with all the qb’s on the board. But these are the jets, so they take mayfield.

Now Cleveland can take allen at 4.

Denver is at 5 and here comes buffalo giving them a king’s ransom for Darnold.

At 6 the colts seem locked in on ward.

At 7 Tampa bay takes Fitzpatrick.

At 8 Chicago takes Nelson,

At 9 San Fran is thinking about a trade, but can’t pass up on Edmunds.

Now we come to 10 and here comes bb. 23, 31 and a 2019 2nd rounder for Rosen.

Brady starts in 2018 and 2019. Rosen takes over in 2020. This could not fall any better for New England,

Cousin, if I am going for a low first round pick, I am trading with the Browns for their #4 and their fifth round #150 for our #23, #31 and #43. The trade points work out perfect. Then I am taking Chubb, a "blue chipper". He can play and help today not in 2020.

Then we use #150 and strike up a good player from the Eagles who has speed, can cover and tackle at OLB. We don't have a fifth rounder but with #150 can get a good player in trade for Kendricks for the pick rumored the Eagles will take.

Think Seymour in value on Chubb. Don't you like that trade better?.

So in my trade I get Chubb and Kendrick to help our flailing defense. Then pick up a QB we will have to develop whether 1st or 3rd round.

I think Lauletta, Falk or even a Trade for Lynch makes more sense. Rather miss with these guys in the middle of the pack or waste three top picks to find out Jackson or Rosen are busts. They all have warts.

My sleeper is to get 2 year removed first rounder QB Paxton Lynch from the Broncos and have Josh work him so when BB leaves Lynch is ready and Elway will be miffed.BB loves reclamation projects and the kid was a first rounder. Lynch is only 25 and has won in the NFL. His college resume was better than the Big three QBs in this class.

Who is to say Lynch won't be better than any of them.

Chances are Chubb is All Pro before any of them as well..

DW Toys

 

[zydecochris]

Just to stoke the fires a bit, I would like to respectfully point out that there are different types of ways of being an excellent athlete, hand eye coordination and footwork is arguably more important that running really fast for many quarterbacks. As an example:

Said about QB #1: "I think he could have been one of the greatest catchers ever,"

Said about QB#2: They were two Texas tykes on an Austin tennis court. The little shaver with the sound strokes, even at the age of 8 or 9, was Andy Roddick. The other kid did not have Roddick's grounding in tennis fundamentals, but how he would compete! “I remember the most annoying thing was that ____ played about twice a week,” Roddick said. “I was hard-core; I was playing every day, every weekend. I could never beat the guy!”

Said about QB #3: "He was once a rising Southern California tennis star, getting sponsored by multiple companies and travelling around the country to play in tournaments.....at age 12 he was the No. 1-ranked player for his age group in Southern California and top-50 in the country, and he became a top-10 player in junior rankings."

It sounds like these three quarterbacks were excellent athletes even apart from their football abilities (of course, that doesn't guarantee or even suggest success as a QB, but it certainly doesn't hurt). Any guesses as to who these three fine athletes are: QB#1, QB#2, and QB#3?

PWP got that QB#1 was our own GOAT.

QB#2 is Drew Brees. He has succeeded despite a lack of height, probably because (among other intangibles) he is clearly a fabulous athlete with amazing footwork.

QB#3 is Rosen of course. I’m not sure if he has the intangibles or the fire, but he appears to have the athleticism and footwork.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I think people are largely over it but that doesn’t mean we can’t be disappointed at the unfortunate circumstances that led to this situation.

Of course, it's worth noting that unfortunate circumstances includes "Brady leading the team to four consecutive AFCCGs in that span."

 

[Wozzy]

You don't have to extend for Rosen's potential when there are as good or better prospects below, there are a lot of quality QB prospects in this draft. This year's draft class is deep, it's a good year to be drafting a QB... or two.

 

[Off The Grid]

Hey All- I'm not a draftnik so really uninformed on who based on skills, attitude is the right fit for the team at QB.

Is Rosen THE guy?

@robertweathers

In my opinion? Yes.

Unreservedly.

 

[Wozzy]

Mike White is probably the best QB in this draft, presumably he can be had from the bottom of the 1st on. I'm looking for the best QB, not the best athlete.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I would love to get Rosen if somehow he slips past 6. Could be a possibility unless someone trades up before that.

 

[manxman2601]

@robertweathers

In my opinion? Yes.

Unreservedly.

Grid as ever on the fence

Interesting to get Grid’s opinion.

 

[supafly]

Grid as ever on the fence

Interesting to get Grid’s opinion.

He’s got some excellent breakdowns of all of the top QBs over on his site. High on Rosen, opposite on Lamar Jackson.

 

[manxman2601]

He’s got some excellent breakdowns of all of the top QBs over on his site. High on Rosen, opposite on Lamar Jackson.

I thought he was still catching up on last years draft . Thanks for the reminder - I’ll head over there.

 

[supafly]

I would love to get Rosen if somehow he slips past 6. Could be a possibility unless someone trades up before that.

It’s still very difficult for me to imagine Belichick giving up the kind of capital it would take to move up like that. This was a guy who openly advised Dimirtroff not to move up and get Julio Jones because of the cost and gamble.

Not only do I find these scenarios highly unlikely, I think some are underrating just how important these next 2 drafts will be for the future of our team. There are LOTS of holes (and potential holes from next spring) that need to be addressed. I’d be shocked to see Belichick trade up as dramatically as suggested.

 

[manxman2601]

It’s still very difficult for me to imagine Belichick giving up the kind of capital it would take to move up like that. This was a guy who openly advised Dimirtroff not to move up and get Julio Jones.

Not only do I find these scenarios highly unlikely, I think some are underrating just how important these next 2 drafts will be for the future of our team. There are LOTS of holes (and potential holes from next spring) that need to be addressed. I’d be shocked to see Belichick trade up as dramatically as suggested.

I’m fine using one of 23 or 43 to trade up into the teens, but I don’t want to give all three top picks (unlike Grid) - I want at least one more talented player to come out of this draft. One other advantage of trading up for Rosen into the teens is that it frees up 63 0r 95 fo a position player.

However, I agree with you about the need to start upgrading the team. I do think this is the first draft where I’m really starting to acknowledge that the post Brady/Gronk era is nearer than we think and we have an ideal opportunity over the next two years to really add talent to face that eventuality. But there are different rules when it comes to QB, particularly if you view them as franchise QBs. Can’t wait until Thursday and Friday because I have no idea which way they’ll go. If Rosen slips past Miami and Buffalo, things might get interesting.

 

[supafly]

I’m fine using one of 23 or 43 to trade up into the teens, but I don’t want to give all three top picks (unlike Grid) - I want at least one more talented player to come out of this draft. One other advantage of trading up for Rosen into the teens is that it frees up 63 0r 95 fo a position player.

However, I agree with you about the need to start upgrading the team. I do think this is the first draft where I’m really starting to acknowledge that the post Brady/Gronk era is nearer than we think and we have an ideal opportunity over the next two years to really add talent to face that eventuality. But there are different rules when it comes to QB, particularly if you view them as franchise QBs. Can’t wait until Thursday and Friday because I have no idea which way they’ll go. If Rosen slips past Miami and Buffalo, things might get interesting.

Agreed on some level regarding the importance of a franchise QB, but I just don’t see Belichick giving up 3-4 high selections to move up into the top 6-7 selections for a gamble. Just as importantly, I just don’t see Rosen making it past Buffalo and Miami.

We’re entering more of a rebuild mode than most people are willing to admit, and not just because of the likelihood of losing all of Belichick, Brady, Edelman, and Gronk in the next 2-3 years (some could even be sooner). The fact remains that on top of all of that, there are still many needs at most positions, at least if you look past 2018. Belichick has put himself in a nice situation in terms of stockpiling high draft picks, and we could see that with next year, too. As of now, we’ll have a first, a second, and two thirds, and I’m expecting him to add to that haul via trade. I think he’s going to do his best to leave Josh in a good place, although we’re right back to the QB conundrum...

 

[manxman2601]

Agreed on some level regarding the importance of a franchise QB, but I just don’t see Belichick giving up 3-4 high selections to move up into the top 6-7 selections for a gamble. Just as importantly, I just don’t see Rosen making it past Buffalo and Miami.

We’re entering more of a rebuild mode than most people are willing to admit, and not just because of the likelihood of losing all of Belichick, Brady, Edelman, and Gronk in the next 2-3 years (some could even be sooner). The fact remains that on top of all of that, there are still many needs at most positions, at least if you look past 2018. Belichick has put himself in a nice situation in terms of stockpiling high draft picks, and we could see that with next year, too. As of now, we’ll have a first, a second, and two thirds, and I’m expecting him to add to that haul via trade. I think he’s going to do his best to leave Josh in a good place, although we’re right back to the QB conundrum...

There’s the rub. No matter how much we rebuild, the QB is still the issue. That’s the tightrope that needs to be walked. Like I said, I’d be fine using two of our top 43 picks to get a Rosen or Jackson. That still leaves one other plus 63. Not ideal but I’m assuming B.B. is pretty confident in Rosen in that circumstance. Here’s a question for you. Which worries you more in three years? A good roster but no definitive answer at QB. Or a good QB solution but a weaker roster? I think I lean towards the former.

 

[supafly]

There’s the rub. No matter how much we rebuild, the QB is still the issue. That’s the tightrope that needs to be walked. Like I said, I’d be fine using two of our top 43 picks to get a Rosen or Jackson. That still leaves one other plus 63. Not ideal but I’m assuming B.B. is pretty confident in Rosen in that circumstance. Here’s a question for you. Which worries you more in three years? A good roster but no definitive answer at QB. Or a good QB solution but a weaker roster? I think I lean towards the former.

I would lean towards the former, as well. If that’s really what it would come down to (two of our top 43 picks), then I’d be fine with it, but I just don’t see that being good enough—even if the chart says it is.

I definitely don’t want to risk anything else, and I surely don’t want next year’s high picks touched, and unfortunately, I think you’d have to give up one or the other.

 

[manxman2601]

I would lean towards the former, as well. If that’s really what it would come down to (two of our top 43 picks), then I’d be fine with it, but I just don’t see that being good enough—even if the chart says it is.

I definitely don’t want to risk anything else, and I surely don’t want next year’s high picks touched, and unfortunately, I think you’d have to give up one or the other.

Two final contradictory points from me.

1. I don’t want us to be in a position where we’re forced to draft a QB in a bad year for the position.
2. Drafting a QB now as the future starter does largely negate the bonus you get from having a starting QB on a rookie contract unless Brady retires at the end of this year or next.