Patriots draft meetings

[WaterfallJumper]

Would I be shocked if BB trades up for Nelson though esp. if he gets passed by and drops significantly like OG usually do? Nope.

With Nelson team arguably gets the best chance of NFL success of any prospect and by far the best chance to keep him after rookie deal (esp. NE) - its true that IOL market skyrocketed this yr but its still at half price compared to top edge, CB, WR.

The other interesting thing is that he might be the most ready of all OL prospects to step up at tackle short term if needed (in light of Garcia, Jelks possibly needing more time, Waddle injury prone).

At very least - Dante was there to enjoy some Nelson

I'd be shocked. Who would he displace as a starter? For that kind of draft capital, he needs to see the field. Nelson is good in short areas, but we put our OL in space quite a bit. He's not bad there, but it's not his forte. I don't think he's so much better than our current starters that he's worth two 1sts. He's not falling out of the top 15 (and even moving to 15 would take more than I'd like to give up).

You make a good point about position, though. I like the reasoning for IOL, and I've been advocating for Daniels, Wynn (my favorite; can play OT or guard), and Ragnow early. Any of those three would be good between 31 and 43. Ragnow might even make it further due to injuries. Nelson is excellent, but he's not that much better than Wynn, who looks like a coaching clinic on every snap. Ragnow is also very good, and he's been the highest rated IOL by PFF for two straight years, if you believe their grades. He can play guard or center and be an upgrade next year (maybe not ready to dethrone anyone his rookie year). Daniels is the most pro ready center I've seen in a while. Technique (we like those Iowa kids), athleticism, size, power -- oh, and he's one of the youngest players in the entire draft.

Save 23 for a more premium position. As thin as the OT position seems, IOL is strong and pretty deep this year. I'd be surprised and disappointed to trade up unless it's for a QB of the future, a starting LT, or a sliding transformational talent on defense.

 

[manxman2601]

Add another to the list of visits,

 

[long distance]

Add another to the list of visits,

clearing his off-field stuff Id guess..

 

[maineman209]

Caserio went to Lamar's pro day and met with him. BGC might have a full dossier on Pats & Lamar..

WF has a private workout with the Pats listed for Lamar (Caserio?).

Caserio reportedly worked out Falk, too, I think.

Of course, part of the problem is no standardized definitions, except for OVs. Even "Combine Interview" is suspect since it's rarely noted whether it was formal or informal.

Somebody with the Pats exchanges a few pleasant words with a prospect at his pro day that the observer can't hear and - VOILA! - a MEETING/INTERVIEW!

Somebody from the Pats runs all the DL or QB positional drills at a pro day and ... "Patriots worked out [prospect name here] at his pro day!", neglecting to mention that they also "worked out" all the other DL who participated.

BB, from the sidelines, watches a couple dozen prospects work out at a pro day, but it's reported as BB attending specifically to see [prospect name here], perhaps whether or not he even had direct contact except to say, "Hi! How ya doin' today?"

 

[maineman209]

Add another to the list of visits,

Thanks!

I picked that one up from WF early this morning (accidentally, in the course of scrolling through their random list looking for something else). Haven't updated the post yet, though.

 

[maineman209]

So (at some point) I'll be adding:

Bilal Nichols, DL ... WO
McKay Murphy, DL ... PDY

Frank Ragnow, OC ... WO
Will Richardson, OT ... OV
(WF has this listed as "WO")

Ryan Nall, FB ... WO
Kerryon Johnson, RB ... OV
(WF has this listed as "WO" , while PP has it as "OV")

Damon Webb, SAF ... WO
.. (there's your "WTF?" 2nd round safety)

Then, I'll be changing
... McGlinchey from "OV" to PDY (Scar)
... Lamar Jackson from "OV" to WO (Caserio)

If anyone has anything else, please post about it so I can correct/update thoroughly this afternoon.

 

[jboston19]

@NEPD_Loyko: Here's the complete list of #Patriots pre-draft visitors that have been confirmed. I don't have guys like Lamar Jackson, Courtland Sutton who very well may have visited, but not confirmed. pic.twitter.com/Iphu3DFqtQ

 

[maineman209]

@NEPD_Loyko: Here's the complete list of #Patriots pre-draft visitors that have been confirmed. I don't have guys like Lamar Jackson, Courtland Sutton who very well may have visited, but not confirmed. pic.twitter.com/Iphu3DFqtQ

So, he doesn't have either Reid (who was apparently able to make it at the last minute) or Harrison, or Ballage.

And yet another source who can't be bothered to sort the list by name or position. It's a real pain in the *** to cross-check this stuff that way.

 

[Sciz]

So, he doesn't have either Reid (who was apparently able to make it at the last minute) or Harrison, or Ballage.

And yet another source who can't be bothered to sort the list by name or position. It's a real pain in the *** to cross-check this stuff that way.

Reid said it wasn’t a top 30 visit. It was just a picture in an airplane, so I wonder if he was flying back to Stanford to meet with them there.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Reid said it wasn’t a top 30 visit. It was just a picture in an airplane, so I wonder if he was flying back to Stanford to meet with them there.

No offense, but can we nip this "top 30" thing in the bud? They're not allowed to work out on visits; it's primarily players that (A) they want to have meet with staff or (B) they want their own doctors to see.

 

[maineman209]

No offense, but can we nip this "top 30" thing in the bud? They're not allowed to work out on visits; it's primarily players that (A) they want to have meet with staff or (B) they want their own doctors to see.

Interviews. Breaking down film, maybe. Diagramming plays on the white-board, possibly.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Unless they're just left in a room to do their own thing, all of this falls under "meet with staff."

Interviews. Breaking down film, maybe. Diagramming plays on the white-board, possibly.

 

[maineman209]

Reiss reports this morning (Sunday), in his "Quick Hits" piece, that OT Tyrell Crosby was in Gillette for an official visit on Wednesday, along with LVE and Ridley.

 

[manxman2601]

With Vander Esch and Tyrell Crosby now added to the visit list and contact with Connor Williams, McGlinchey and Miller a LB/LT first round is starting to look a real possibility. There’s a strong top heavy element to our interest in those positions. Two interesting names that I haven’t seen any contact with is Brian O’Neill and Orlando Brown.

If I was to guess right now:

Round 1: OT/LB and possibly QB (outside shot at TE or WR)
Round Two: QB and BPA From Safety/Edge/RB/TE/WR
Round Three: Edge

Day 3: CB. No clear idea about other positions.

 

[patchick]

If I was to guess right now:

Round 1: OT/LB and possibly QB (outside shot at TE or WR)
Round Two: QB and BPA From Safety/Edge/RB/TE/WR
Round Three: Edge

Day 3: CB. No clear idea about other positions.

That has the ring of truth to me, with the caveat that a whole separate branch of the decision tree is activated if Rosen starts to slide.

 

[manxman2601]

That has the ring of truth to me, with the caveat that a whole separate branch of the decision tree is activated if Rosen starts to slide.

I think they’ll think long and hard about him if he starts to slide, I’m just not sure where the trade trigger finger starts dialling. Rosen is generally seen as the 1B to Darnold’s 1A in this draft and that’s way too much value if he’s available in the mid-teens.

 

[manxman2601]

I’ve just been watching some more Rosen tape. He reminds me a little of Jared Goff in that he doesn’t always help out his receivers by sometimes throwing it a little behind or a little high but man, his receiving corps might be one of the worst I’ve seen - so many drops. His OL wasn’t much better.

 

[maineman209]

With Vander Esch and Tyrell Crosby now added to the visit list and contact with Connor Williams, McGlinchey and Miller a LB/LT first round is starting to look a real possibility. There’s a strong top heavy element to our interest in those positions. Two interesting names that I haven’t seen any contact with is Brian O’Neill and Orlando Brown.

If I was to guess right now:

Round 1: OT/LB and possibly QB (outside shot at TE or WR)
Round Two: QB and BPA From Safety/Edge/RB/TE/WR
Round Three: Edge

Day 3: CB. No clear idea about other positions.

Highest odds, from my perspective, by "section".

SECTION-1 (#23/#31/#43):

OL (not limited to OT)
LB (ILB/MLB or OLB/Edge type)
DL/Edge (4-3 DE)
SAF
CB

Trade down for more 2nd/3rd/4th round picks
Trade for an NFL player + a later pick

SECTION-2 (#63, #95):

QB
OL (OT/IOL double-dip)
one of the positions missed in Section-1

Trade down
Trade for an NFL player

Possibly ...
RB
WR (Pettis or another with comparable punt return chops; otherwise skip it till later)

SECTION-3 (#198, #210, #219):

LB = ILB or OLB/Edge type (double-dip)
Virtually equal odds for any position, really.

 

[manxman2601]

Highest odds, from my perspective, by "section".

SECTION-1 (#23/#31/#43):

OL (not limited to OT)
LB (ILB/MLB or OLB/Edge type)
DL/Edge (4-3 DE)
SAF
CB

Trade down for more 2nd/3rd/4th round picks
Trade for an NFL player + a later pick

SECTION-2 (#63, #95):

QB
OL (OT/IOL double-dip)
one of the positions missed in Section-1

Trade down
Trade for an NFL player

Possibly ...
RB
WR (Pettis or another with comparable punt return chops; otherwise skip it till later)

SECTION-3 (#198, #210, #219):

LB = ILB or OLB/Edge type (double-dip)
Virtually equal odds for any position, really.

1. Thie interest in top. WRs and RBs is interesting.
2. The Gronk drama adds a dimension. Didn’t B.B. meet with Hurst?
3. I can’t shake the feeling that they will draft Rasheem Green.

 

[maineman209]

1. Thie interest in top. WRs and RBs is interesting.
2. The Gronk drama adds a dimension. Didn’t B.B. meet with Hurst?
3. I can’t shake the feeling that they will draft Rasheem Green.

1. I have a feeling that the result of all that comparing and contrasting is likely to be that there's not a significant enough difference from one to another to bother spending a high pick.

2. Gronk drama or not, I'm not seeing a TE in this class worth spending more than a 6th on.

3. I have the same feeling about Da'shawn Hand, oddly.