Rumor: Pats interested in Josh Rosen?

[maineman209]

It would just be sacrificing the 2019 draft. If you can pick a year it would be this year. Brady's turning 41. I think rosen's a good QB. Best pocket passer in my mind in this draft.

It seems to me that BB has amply demonstrated that he manages the entire roster in the best interests of the team. Blowing that much draft capital on one prospect (not a "player" yet) would severely compromise his ability to maintain the quality of the rest of the roster in the future. If he can't maintain the quality of the rest of the roster, it may not matter if the QB turns out to be as good as Brady.

 

[Deus Irae]

Plus don't forget that Buffalo is looking to trade into the top five, and they have the picks to do it.

Sure, and Denver might be willing to trade up the one spot (5 to 4) in order to secure that last QB.

This is a likely scenario. Another has NYG drafting Chubb and someone trading with CLE for a QB (maybe the patriots).

I agree that if Belichick really has someone in mind, he might be trading for the #2, using an additional pick.

The Giants would be crazy not to pick a QB at #2, unless their assessment is that none of QBs 2-4 is a franchise QB. Eli's never been an elite QB, his play from 2012 on has mostly been average to poor, his game has been in obvious decline for at least 2 seasons, and he's going to be turning 37. Maybe he'll get it together and enjoy a Brady/Brees NFL dotage, but the odds are against it.

That doesn't mean that they won't do it, of course. We've all seen teams miss the obvious in the draft, year after year, after year.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Dr RosenRosen???

 

[maineman209]

I feel the giants will take Barkley. Idk why but something tells me they will.

It would be kinda like Gettleman looking at the 'Boys with Elliot and saying, "Hold my beer."

 

[mgteich]

I agree that this is not a Belichick type of move. Belichick is NOT likely to sit there on Draft Day, and trade for whoever might be left after 3 teams take their choice of QB.

It is much more a Belichick type of mover to trade for the 2nd pick.

Unless he thinks one of those his can be a franchise QB. Brady will be 41. Idk about you but if I can have a guy for the next 14 to 15 years i would make that move. It depends if belichick believes that QB can be a franchise QB. It's likely that darnold will go number 1. Idk what the giants will do but they might take Barkley. I know the jests will take a QB but who?

I wouldn't make the move unless it's for Rosen. I am still not high on mayfield or Josh Allen.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Like at the start of FA Patriots in the mix for every available Free Agent.

I’m sure there are others on here would be interested in a Josh Rosen rumor from a legit source.

 

[Uptown]

I like his pocket presence. He can make some boneheaded decisions but he can air it out.

Agree. His mechanics are fine as well.

 

[scott99]

The number of successful NFL quarterbacks drafted beyond the 1st round is pretty small. Yes, sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you win the lottery. But most of the time you end up with Rohan Davey or Kevin O'Connell.

Lauletta's a late day 2 pick at best because he's got a popgun arm. You can teach someone with a big arm better mechanics, but you can't teach someone with great mechanics how to get a bigger arm.

Brady's 41. He's only got a couple years left, and that's optimistic. He could fall apart at any minute. A 1st round pick gets you an extra year of cost control, and a good, cost-controlled QB is basically the winning formula in the NFL.

It’s funny you say that about Lauletta’s arm. 3 definite Hall Of Famers had “popgun arms” coming out of college. Montana, Brady and Brees, yet they became legends. Garoppolo had a supposedly weak arm coming out of college and looks like the next great NFL QB.

 

[Tuck]

So this means they wont be picking Rosen.

 

[Uptown]

Per Adam Schefter:

Patriots are “more likely than not” looking to move up in draft to select Hofstra QB Giovanni Carmazzi.




....he still owns 5 goats...

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I agree that this is not a Belichick type of move. Belichick is NOT likely to sit there on Draft Day, and trade for whoever might be left after 3 teams take their choice of QB.

It is much more a Belichick type of mover to trade for the 2nd pick.

Well allrighty then. I for one will miss Tom Brady.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

It’s funny you say that about Lauletta’s arm. 3 definite Hall Of Famers had “popgun arms” coming out of college. Montana, Brady and Brees, yet they became legends. Garoppolo had a supposedly weak arm coming out of college and looks like the next great NFL QB.

Reminds me of the late 90s when Bills fans got wood over Rob Johnson "He's tall and has a strong arm". Rob, the Tackling Dummy.

 

[luuked]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

For someone drafted most likely on day 2 or early day 3 having a career like Hoyer would be great. People like to make fun of him but he has been hanging around the league for a while and actually has seen playing time. Some don’t realize that this is already a success given how QBs are thrown to the road left and right in this league.

For a team on the other hand it would not be what they are looking for.

 

[primetime]

It’s funny you say that about Lauletta’s arm. 3 definite Hall Of Famers had “popgun arms” coming out of college. Montana, Brady and Brees, yet they became legends. Garoppolo had a supposedly weak arm coming out of college and looks like the next great NFL QB.

It's that time of the year when every Patriots fan reminds you that Tom Brady exists so it's easy to find a superstar in the late rounds.

For what it's worth, Brees was never considered to have a weak arm, just didn't have any touch on his deep throws. Brady was considered to have only an average arm to go on top of a lack of other physical tools. I have no idea what people said about Joe Montana because he was drafted before the era in which the draft was a spectacle and people paid attention. Garoppolo's scouting reports specifically said "can make every NFL throw" - there were questions about his deep throws because Northern Illinois played a dink-and-dunk game.

Lauletta just doesn't have an NFL arm. That's a very different case than any of those players. Lauletta turned the ball over a lot because his passes didn't get to his receivers. You need to be able to make throws to the sideline in the NFL and he can't.

 

[patfanken]

The number of successful NFL quarterbacks drafted beyond the 1st round is pretty small. Yes, sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you win the lottery. But most of the time you end up with Rohan Davey or Kevin O'Connell.

Lauletta's a late day 2 pick at best because he's got a popgun arm. You can teach someone with a big arm better mechanics, but you can't teach someone with great mechanics how to get a bigger arm.

Brady's 41. He's only got a couple years left, and that's optimistic. He could fall apart at any minute. A 1st round pick gets you an extra year of cost control, and a good, cost-controlled QB is basically the winning formula in the NFL.

Tom Brady has proven that statement to be false. Good mechanics DOES improve arm strength

 

[mgteich]

Tom Brady has proven that statement to be false. Good mechanics DOES improve arm strength

a great training program and avocado ice cream help.

 

[zipster9]

Tom Brady has proven that statement to be false. Good mechanics DOES improve arm strength

Kyle will join the Alex Guerrero bandwagon.

 

[patfanken]

Interesting to see Kontra and Primetime's diverse views on Rosen. Only goes to show how hard it is to judge potential success with a QB. Everybody can look at the same player and have completely different visions of what they just saw.

Personally, I'd love to have a shot at Rosen. I can't help but want another member of the tribe on the team. We are down to our last 2, or 1 and a half. until Julian is ready to commit fully.

But, like most have said, Rosen will be gone 15 or more picks before BB selects, and we are NOT going to come close to using our relatively meager draft assets on a speculation QB (since they all, by definition, speculation QB's). Now that being said, if Lamar Jackson somehow is still on the board at 20 he COULD come into play.

There's a kid with SO much raw talent, with RAW being the keyword. The Pats would be the perfect fit for him. He could get great coaching for at least 2 years and never have to worry about getting on the field. He's supposed to be a very coachable kid. Now THAT would be a pick I'd endorse that isn't a LB or edge rusher. Plus having the 31 makes taking the risk a lot safer.

I'm not a big fan of Mayfield, but it's more of a size thing for me. But I'd be willing to be convinced. But beyond those 2 at the end of the first round, I'm not looking to draft a QB before the 4th were I THINK we have a comp pick.

 

[primetime]

Jackson is not a tier 1 QB, in terms of consensus draft expectations, which is what discussion of draft maneuvering is all about.

He's going to be drafted in the top 20 picks. He may not make it out of the top-10 if teams are inclined to continue attempting to leapfrog one another. The Patriots will almost certainly need to move up if they want him.

 

[mgteich]

I believe that the 4th was traded with Cooks for 23 and 198.

But beyond those 2 at the end of the first round, I'm not looking to draft a QB before the 4th were I THINK we have a comp pick.