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I don’t think the Pats have the ammo to go up and get Rosen. Unless you trade Gronk and both 1’s and a 2 to the Giants for OBJ and pick #2 overall.

That’s just an example, my point being, they’d have to drastically overpay to get Rosen.
 
I think if Rosen bought in (big ask, according to those in the know) he could be our Aaron Rodgers (not saying he is that good, just the situation with Favre). Sitting behind the GOAT, learning the ins and outs of the offense with Josh could work amazingly well if he was good with it.
 

Yeah I’m a big fan. History suggests two of the top 4 QBs will become franchise QBs. I can see the reasons to like all four. Mayfield would really fit our offense but Big 12 QBs do worry me. Kontra’s already leading that parade though.



That’s one personal story on Rosen. His teammates back him while NFL people such as Trent Dilfer have basically called him a pain in the ass.



It’d all depend how BB/McDaniels/Caserio feel about his outspoken nature. I’d rather my QB be intellectually curious & challenge the HC/OC on a potential offensive gameplan then be submissive. Obviously there’s a fine line.
 
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We definitely disagree on Mayfield. I hate his antics, and I don't see that being something BB wants to deal with as he approaches 70. I revert to him saying, paraphrasing, that he want to coach guys he wants to coach. I can't imagine that guy being on that list.
I think his antics have been overblown and mostly come from being highly competitive and having to scratch and claw to earn what he’s gotten. Mayfield LOVES football. He’s passionate about it. Bill has also coached much bigger head cases in his career. I can’t imagine Mayfield would be someone he shied away from unless Bill just doesn’t like Mayfield’s game on the field.
 
I don’t think the Pats have the ammo to go up and get Rosen. Unless you trade Gronk and both 1’s and a 2 to the Giants for OBJ and pick #2 overall.

That’s just an example, my point being, they’d have to drastically overpay to get Rosen.

I think they do. They can trade number 23 and a future first rounder and more just to move up:
 
Yeah I’m a big fan. History suggests two of the top 4 QBs will become franchise QBs. I can see the reasons to like all four. Mayfield would really fit our offense but Big 12 QBs do worry me. Kontra’s already leading that parade though.

Shades of the class of '83.
 
I think they do. They can trade number 23 and a future first rounder and more just to move up:

BB has never thrown so much as a future seventh-rounder into a trade to move up in the draft, so I can't see him using a first that way.
 
BB has never thrown so much as a future seventh-rounder into a trade to move up in the draft, so I can't see him using a first that way.
I think you might be mistaken on this one. I think he made trades in the 2012 Draft to wind up with Hightower.
 
Does anyone know if Bill, Josh or Caserio went to UCLA’s pro day?
 
Yeah I’m a big fan. History suggests two of the top 4 QBs will become franchise QBs. I can see the reasons to like all four. Mayfield would really fit our offense but Big 12 QBs do worry me. Kontra’s already leading that parade though.



That’s one personal story on Rosen. His teammates back him while NFL people such as Trent Dilfer have basically called him a pain in the ass.



It’d all depend how BB/McDaniels/Caserio feel about his outspoken nature. I’d rather my QB be intellectually curious & challenge the HC/OC on a potential offensive gameplan then be submissive. Obviously there’s a fine line.


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Josh Rosen is straight out of the make-a-quarterback factory. He has perfect size (6-4, 218), accuracy, arm strength and intelligence. If teams only looked at skill and ability, he'd likely be the consensus top pick in the draft.

But Rosen has developed a reputation that he's difficult to get along with and hard to coach. It's a damning assessment of a player who, on April 26th, will become the face of an NFL franchise. It has gotten to the point these off-field red flags come up as much as Rosen's on-field ability.

And Jason Negro believes that's asinine. Rosen, he said, is just misunderstood.

In 2014, in-between his junior and senior seasons at St. John Bosco, Rosen attended Trent Dilfer's Elite 11 football camp. Dilfer sent playbooks and schemes to each of the players beforehand so they could familiarize themselves before arriving.

As soon as Rosen got his, he got to work. He went over every route and every concept on every page. He wanted to master it so he showed up more prepared than the 17 other high school quarterbacks. But in his studies, a few things popped up. So, he took the playbook to Negro.

Dilfer had specific concepts drawn against certain coverages that Rosen didn't understand. He felt other routes would work better. He came up with a few adjustments. Negro, quickly, shot them down … but not because they were wrong.

“'Josh, there may be flaws, but that's not for you to go and tell Trent Dilfer. Don't do it.” Negro recalled telling his young quarterback. “But he couldn't help it.”

At the camp, Rosen started asking Dilfer questions. He began questioning why things were done this way, and not that way? He had to understand. His intentions weren't malicious, he genuinely wanted to know.

After the camp ended, Dilfer said in an interview with “The Opening Drive” that Rosen “has yet to buy into what I'm preaching … he's a guy who keeps telling me how they do it at John Bosco.”

Things spiraled out of control from there. Rosen's intentions were lost in translation.

“He can't just accept something until he understands everything about it,” Negro said. That's led to him getting misunderstood. He's so intelligent, he has to know why things are done a certain way.

“He's a questions guy. He wants to know the 'why' behind everything. What he had to learn, and he has, is that there's a time and a place for that. He needed to mature.”



Jason Negro isn't a stranger to elite quarterback play. St. John Bosco plays in the Trinity League and is part of the California Interscholastic Federation. It's one of the more prestigious high school conferences in the country. Negro's coached or seen the likes of Carson Palmer, Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinart and others. He's had a slew of his own players, in addition to Josh Rosen, play high-level collegiate ball.

Negro knows talent when he sees it. But then again, anyone who watches Rosen throw can, too. Where he separates himself, in his high school coach's eyes, is with his football acumen. It's been there ever since he was a kid.

It takes time to develop a high school quarterback, especially playing against the talent in the Trinity League. But with Rosen, there was no adjustment period. Never. It all just … made sense. Coaches would tell him to do one thing, he'd do it once, and he'd get it. Negro can't recall a situation where they had to rep something, over and over again, to help it make sense for Rosen.

At the end of each practice, Negro's staff would upload film for players to review. It gives them a chance to self-critique when they're home. Rosen was always the first to ask for his. It wasn't long before Negro saw why.

“He'd come back the next day in the meetings and know everything — I mean everything,” Negro said. “He knew the throws he hit, the throws he missed, why he made those mistakes, how he can improve. Everything. All in just a day. He was an incredible learner.

“Typical high school kids don't do that. They're into so many other things because they're kids. But Josh wasn't into that. He was focusing on football, refining his craft, and trying to be the best he can possibly be.”

Negro said Rosen was the best quarterback he ever coached. But what impressed Negro as much as any throw or film study was how Rosen acted off the field. There was never a time Rosen believed he was above the team. He didn't skip workouts or cut in line during team meals. He was also friends with everyone.

St. John Bosco is located southeast of L.A. The school is 40 minutes in either direction from some of the nicer areas in the city and some of the worst. The kids attending the school come from all different social and economic backgrounds.

“He was so generous to everyone,” Negro said. “I'm not saying he gave them money. It's not about that. He was just able to adapt and get along with everybody in our program.”

Jason Negro's phone has rung quite a bit these last few months. Most times it's an NFL team on the other end.

Understandably so. When you've spent more time coaching Josh Rosen than anyone else, you're the one who knows Josh Rosen the best.

Coaches, scouts and personnel executives have dug in on Negro, the head football coach at St. John Bosco High School in Bellflower, Calif., trying to figure out what kind of person Rosen is. Are the rumors of his personality flaws true? Can he be a leader? Was he a leader?

Negro answers each question as honestly as he can. Then he tells a story.

In the summer of 2014, St. John Bosco had an opportunity to play Saint Louis, a high school in Hawaii (and alma mater of Marcus Mariota, who graduated in 2010). To do so, each kid had to raise $1,500. This wasn't an issue for many on the roster. They just had to go home, ask mom and dad for a check, then come back the next day. But for those coming from less privileged backgrounds? It wasn't possible.

And that didn't sit well with Rosen.

The 17-year-old, with some help from the team's operations coordinator Jessie Christensen, designed a discount card on his iPad. The next day, dressed in a suit and tie, he took it to many of the local businesses and restaurants in Bellflower. His pitch: If someone shows you this card, give them some form of a discount. The proceeds of which would go directly to the St. John Bosco football program to help those less-fortunate kids get to Hawaii.

It worked. Rosen's program helped several teammates fund their trips.

Negro had never seen such selfless initiative taken by a student. When he went to Rosen with praise, the teenager met him with a request: Don't tell anybody. Rosen didn't want the credit. He was just helping his teammates out.

“I only talk about it now because he's been gone for three years,” Negro said. “Josh takes a lot of hits in the media with how outspoken he is and some of the things he says. But actions like that? I mean, I think it's a testament to his character and who he is.”
 
2018 NFL Draft Trade Value Chart

Theoretically, our top 3 picks would bring us up to 4.

If the giants want to trade down, they might even take this deal for pick #2. Or, they may require another pick. In any case, we do indeed have the ammo.

I don’t think the Pats have the ammo to go up and get Rosen. Unless you trade Gronk and both 1’s and a 2 to the Giants for OBJ and pick #2 overall.

That’s just an example, my point being, they’d have to drastically overpay to get Rosen.
 
Belichick is looking at Smith or Chubb
Will draft Lauletta and or the Ivy league guy.
If they think Rosen is a franchise guy I'm good with the sacrificing trade up.
 
Belichick is looking at Smith or Chubb
Will draft Lauletta and or the Ivy league guy.
If they think Rosen is a franchise guy I'm good with the sacrificing trade up.

Chubb will likely be gone at 2. CLE could take a deal from us at 4, but are more likely to take Chubb themselves.

Yes, we might be able to trade with CHI and get Smith. I wouldn't do it.
 
We have to many needs to trade up unless someone falls who BB loves and even then i cannot see it happening..

Might even trade it for a next year first amongst other things...
 
I think his antics have been overblown and mostly come from being highly competitive and having to scratch and claw to earn what he’s gotten. Mayfield LOVES football. He’s passionate about it. Bill has also coached much bigger head cases in his career. I can’t imagine Mayfield would be someone he shied away from unless Bill just doesn’t like Mayfield’s game on the field.

Yeah, I don't think Mayfield's antics would be a big deal to Belichick. He always loved Ochocinco for similar stuff. His skillset reminds me of Doug Flutie.
 
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