Catches and Fumbles

[SlowGettingUp]

So the proposed new rule is that if you control the ball, are inbounds (two feet) and make a football move it will be deemed a catch:

Peter King's Monday Morning QB: The NFL Catch Rule

Are we now not going to get a lot of fumbles? Player controls the ball, lunges for the down marker, ball hits ground and ball pops out before player is down. Isn't that now going to be a catch and fumble?

 

[signbabybrady]

Yes

 

[maineman209]

Player controls the ball, lunges for the down marker, ball hits ground and ball pops out before player is down. Isn't that now going to be a catch and fumble?

If it's the Patriots on offense, certainly.

Another team .....?

 

[Chevy]

Wasn't this whole "football move" thing a point of contention a few years ago? What constitutes a "football move"?

2 steps? turning? Shifting the ball to your other side?

 

[signbabybrady]

Wasn't this whole "football move" thing a point of contention a few years ago? What constitutes a "football move"?

2 steps? turning? Shifting the ball to your other side?

Yes they added to the catch rule a few years ago but that pertained to a player firmly on two feet. This is a similar add for players as they are falling to the ground.

 

[bresna]

Are we now not going to get a lot of fumbles? Player controls the ball, lunges for the down marker, ball hits ground and ball pops out before player is down. Isn't that now going to be a catch and fumble?

No. The ground still cannot cause a fumble.

But if a receiver catches a ball, gets both feet down, starts to turn and has the ball knocked out of his hands, that's a fumble. Those "bang bang" type of hits are going to be reviewed closely again. I remember those days. "Did his 2nd foot touch before the hit" or "Did he turn his body" is just as tough to interpret as "did the ball move when he hit the ground".

 

[signbabybrady]

No. The ground still cannot cause a fumble.

But if a receiver catches a ball, gets both feet down, starts to turn and has the ball knocked out of his hands, that's a fumble. Those "bang bang" type of hits are going to be reviewed closely again. I remember those days. "Did his 2nd foot touch before the hit" or "Did he turn his body" is just as tough to interpret as "did the ball move when he hit the ground".

If a defender has not made contact then yes it can.

 

[XLIX]

So the proposed new rule is that if you control the ball, are inbounds (two feet) and make a football move it will be deemed a catch:

Peter King's Monday Morning QB: The NFL Catch Rule

Are we now not going to get a lot of fumbles? Player controls the ball, lunges for the down marker, ball hits ground and ball pops out before player is down. Isn't that now going to be a catch and fumble?

Well, the ground can't cause a fumble so once the ball hits the ground the play is over (assuming there is some sort of contact from the defense). But I suppose that in your above scenario if the receiver is lunging for the goal line or first down without being contacted by a defender then yes that would be a fumble.

So sure... this new rule will create a situation where something will be a fumble, but it is the sort of thing I would expect to see a small handful of times and not some sort of dramatic increase in fumbles.

 

[Deus Irae]

This is basically a "because we said so, regardless of what the video shows" definition of a catch, which will lead to more dubious decisions.

 

[Hyped]

I am ignoring the catch-rule talk until it's voted on...then I'll read it and watch how the refs enforce it in 2018....

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Fans want a rule that says it’s a catch when it’s their team and a fumble when it’s the other team.

 

[maineman209]

So, in addition to "the catch rule", a few other changes have been made ...

The booth officials can now eject a player.

Players on IR can now be traded.

And, apparently, there's now some way to reacquire a player who's been claimed off waivers?

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I am ignoring the catch-rule talk until it's voted on...then I'll read it and watch how the refs enforce it in 2018....

Then it is time to read it. Approved, and (somewhat surprisingly) with UNANIMOUS support

 

[SlowGettingUp]

The new rules defining a catch include:

1. Control of the ball.
2. Two feet down or another body part.
3. A football move such as:
» A third step;
» Reaching/extending for the line-to-gain;
» Or the ability to perform such an act.

NFL teams unanimously approve simplified catch rule

So how about those toe-tapping sideline catches? Where is their "football move?"

 

[Ring 6]

No. The ground still cannot cause a fumble.

But if a receiver catches a ball, gets both feet down, starts to turn and has the ball knocked out of his hands, that's a fumble. Those "bang bang" type of hits are going to be reviewed closely again. I remember those days. "Did his 2nd foot touch before the hit" or "Did he turn his body" is just as tough to interpret as "did the ball move when he hit the ground".

The ground can cause a fumble if you ar not down by contact.

 

[Ring 6]

The new rules defining a catch include:

1. Control of the ball.
2. Two feet down or another body part.
3. A football move such as:
» A third step;
» Reaching/extending for the line-to-gain;
» Or the ability to perform such an act.

NFL teams unanimously approve simplified catch rule

So how about those toe-tapping sideline catches? Where is their "football move?"

This is an improvement because it clarifies things.
Surviving the ground being eliminated may make it interesting. 2 feet down then a 3rd step in the way to the ground and the ball flies out will be a catch and either down by contact or a fumble.

 

[Ring 6]

Then it is time to read it. Approved, and (somewhat surprisingly) with UNANIMOUS support

All they really did was remove surviving the ground and defined a football move. It should be unanimous,it’s more clear.
I for one never felt surviving the ground was a good rule but it needed to be called be ausevit was the rule.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

So the proposed new rule is that if you control the ball, are inbounds (two feet) and make a football move it will be deemed a catch:

Are we now not going to get a lot of fumbles? Player controls the ball, lunges for the down marker, ball hits ground and ball pops out before player is down. Isn't that now going to be a catch and fumble?

Depends, If it's a fumble on Pats and other teams recover then Yes.
and/or, If other teams fumble and Pats recover then NO.

-345 Park Ave

 

[Hyped]

Then it is time to read it. Approved, and (somewhat surprisingly) with UNANIMOUS support

OK, read it...my initial though is that I agree with Dan Quinn....there are gonna be a lot more fumbles in place of incomplete pass calls.

As long as our boys hold onto the ball...I am good.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The new rules defining a catch include:

1. Control of the ball.
2. Two feet down or another body part.
3. A football move such as:
» A third step;
» Reaching/extending for the line-to-gain;
» Or the ability to perform such an act.

NFL teams unanimously approve simplified catch rule

So how about those toe-tapping sideline catches? Where is their "football move?"

Just to be a prick....

1. What is control? If the ball is tucked but moving around is that a catch?
2. OK
3. What/who determines if a player has the ability to do something?