Jacksonville pass rush

[Ring 6]

There is a lot of talk about Jacksonville’s pass rush being a big issue in the afccg.
They had 55 sacks which looks impressive but over 1/3 of them came in 2 games, 10 each against Indy and houston. They also had 5 each against the jets and browns.
Other than these 4 games against th me worst offenses in the league they had just 25 sacks in 12 games.

It should be noted also that inbthe secund meeting with Indy and Houston the 10 each dropped to 4, which were their 5th and 6rh highest totals, leaving them with 10 games that weren’t against Indy, houston, the jets or browns where they totalled 17 sacks, which is actually a weak pass rush.

Additionally they had 35 of their 55 sacks in the first half of the season and only 20 in the second half.

Finally against houston, Indy, the jets and browns they allowed 9 ppg and against everyone else they allowed 21.4 ppg.

In games they had 2 or fewer sacks which was half of their games, they allowed 21.5.

Is the success of their defense overly related to a handful of games against terrible teams and QBs? Is the patriot scheme and Brady, making them better at protection than the colts, Texans, browns and jets the equalizer?

I think this is going to be a spread them out throw the ball, run no huddle ( jags are not deep at all and do not rotate) gameplan.

Thoughts?

 

[RIpats88]

Brady is going to do what he has done against most top defenses. Spread them out and play for the matchup. This will probably be a big game for Gronk and the running backs as I dont see Cooks/Hogan getting too much separation on their corners and the jags have been near the bottom in defending tight ends, and middle of the pack against running backs.

As far as the pass rush goes, brady will have to get the ball out quick. The protection was really good last week, but we will see if they can hold up against the Jags.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

There is a lot of talk about Jacksonville’s pass rush being a big issue in the afccg.
They had 55 sacks which looks impressive but over 1/3 of them came in 2 games, 10 each against Indy and houston. They also had 5 each against the jets and browns.
Other than these 4 games against th me worst offenses in the league they had just 25 sacks in 12 games.

It should be noted also that inbthe secund meeting with Indy and Houston the 10 each dropped to 4, which were their 5th and 6rh highest totals, leaving them with 10 games that weren’t against Indy, houston, the jets or browns where they totalled 17 sacks, which is actually a weak pass rush.

Additionally they had 35 of their 55 sacks in the first half of the season and only 20 in the second half.

Finally against houston, Indy, the jets and browns they allowed 9 ppg and against everyone else they allowed 21.4 ppg.

In games they had 2 or fewer sacks which was half of their games, they allowed 21.5.

Is the success of their defense overly related to a handful of games against terrible teams and QBs? Is the patriot scheme and Brady, making them better at protection than the colts, Texans, browns and jets the equalizer?

I think this is going to be a spread them out throw the ball, run no huddle ( jags are not deep at all and do not rotate) gameplan.

Thoughts?

While I do think this is fair, with their division being completely awful, it doesn't completely matter on Sunday.

What matters is NE goes out and earns it, don't turn it over, maybe get a turnover or two of their own, and slap the **** out of them, in the most efficient way possible like NE did to Tenn.

I think Jax's D is bettter than Tenn's for sure, but I also know JimmyG put up 40 on them and Pitt just put up 35 before a garbage time TD, for a total of 42 points allowed. Can you imagine if a BB D allowed 42 points in a post season game?

If this was the Pats D, this would be front page news, ad nauseum, over and over.

 

[patsfan13]

I would guess that the Game Plan won't allow the Jags Rush to be a huge factor. Passes to RB's and TE's. I would also note that the Patriots OL is healther than in some of the recent playoff runs.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Brady is going to do what he has done against most top defenses. Spread them out and play for the matchup. This will probably be a big game for Gronk and the running backs as I dont see Cooks/Hogan getting too much separation on their corners and the jags have been near the bottom in defending tight ends, and middle of the pack against running backs.

As far as the pass rush goes, brady will have to get the ball out quick. The protection was really good last week, but we will see if they can hold up against the Jags.

It's also a matter of who they use on Gronk. Will it be Bouye or maybe even Ramsey?

Also, keep an eye on Gipson's injury.

 

[Uptown]

23 is the key number.

W is the key letter.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Brady is going to do what he has done against most top defenses. Spread them out and play for the matchup. This will probably be a big game for Gronk and the running backs as I dont see Cooks/Hogan getting too much separation on their corners and the jags have been near the bottom in defending tight ends, and middle of the pack against running backs.

As far as the pass rush goes, brady will have to get the ball out quick. The protection was really good last week, but we will see if they can hold up against the Jags.

I agree. Our backs should feast. I think they'll try to single Gronk at first to see how that works out. I believe they believe they have the players to do it. We know that's bad thinking, though. Once they (most likely) start having to double and triple Gronk, that should open up things for DA especially. I actually expect him to have a somewhat similar game to the one he had against TEN. Maybe not as much yardage, but I do think he's going to be the one to move the chains quite a bit and have an impact on ST's.

I think an X factor is that JAX is undisciplined. They'll give NE free yardage on late hits and taunting nonsense. They've been doing it all season, and you can't simply turn that off just because you're in the AFCCG. NE just has to make sure they capitalize.

 

[JMC00]

Jags pass rush in 2 games vs the Titans- 4 sacks

Pats pass rush in 1 game vs the Titans- 8 sacks

 

[Ring 6]

While I do think this is fair, with their division being completely awful, it doesn't completely matter on Sunday.

What matters is NE goes out and earns it, don't turn it over, maybe get a turnover or two of their own, and slap the **** out of them, in the most efficient way possible like NE did to Tenn.

I think Jax's D is bettter than Tenn's for sure, but I also know JimmyG put up 40 on them and Pitt just put up 35 before a garbage time TD, for a total of 42 points allowed. Can you imagine if a BB D allowed 42 points in a post season game?

If this was the Pats D, this would be front page news, ad nauseum, over and over.

If the patriots d played that game, this board would be wall to wall “see I told you they would suck when they faced a good offense”.
Instead today it is “that game doesn’t natter they are a great defense and I told you our offense will suck against a great defense”. Oh and now bortles is a good QB.

 

[Ring 6]

It's also a matter of who they use on Gronk. Will it be Bouye or maybe even Ramsey?

Also, keep an eye on Gipson's injury.

They can’t put a corner on Gronk.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree. Our backs should feast. I think they'll try to single Gronk at first to see how that works out. I believe they believe they have the players to do it. We know that's bad thinking, though. Once they (most likely) start having to double and triple Gronk, that should open up things for DA especially. I actually expect him to have a somewhat similar game to the one he had against TEN. Maybe not as much yardage, but I do think he's going to be the one to move the chains quite a bit and have an impact on ST's.

I think an X factor is that JAX is undisciplined. They'll give NE free yardage on late hits and taunting nonsense. They've been doing it all season, and you can't simply turn that off just because you're in the AFCCG. NE just has to make sure they capitalize.

Who do you think they believe can man up on Gronk?

 

[Vindicate]

I think someone once mentioned here the energy it takes to run a high-powered front seven like that with continual blitizing and aggressiveness. Surprises me the Jags D doesn't have good rotation, that'd seem integral to that position.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think someone once mentioned here the energy it takes to run a high-powered front seven like that with continual blitizing and aggressiveness. Surprises me the Jags D doesn't have good rotation, that'd seem integral to that position.

That is THE strategy vs this front four and they are not stout vs the run. Their DC is a Pom-Pom disciple.

In Sb49 SEA had nothing left in the 4th quarter and JAX had nothing left vs the Squealers

Lotta quick huddle, bubble screens, draw runs, etc.

Come the 4th qtr, they will be gassed.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They can’t put a corner on Gronk.

Nobody puts Gronk in the corner. He wouldn't fit.

 

[BobDigital]

Obviously this Jags D isn't a true elite D but it is good. You can only play who is on your schedule. The Patriots D played really bad competition last year but when the post season came they did well holding the Falcons to 21 offensive points and the Steelers to 17.

Of course the Jags let up 42 vs the Steelers but half of those came on miracle plays. I don't think we can expect those kind of plays to go our way. We will need to score with methodical drives and not depend on miracle throws.

Tje Jags pass rush is good but it isn't the 07' Giants. For all the good things the Jags did that day they only had 2 sacks and the force fumble sack took a long time. The other was at the end of the game (intentional grounding i think) and was pretty legit. So in 60 some drop backs only 1 unavoidable sack isn't all the good. Now our OL isn't as good at the Steelers but I think they will be able to give Brady some good time.

The key is just to not hold on to the ball too long.

 

[Sicilian]

While those are pretty lopsided, I would venture to guess that almost every team in the NFL accumulates a disproportionate number of their aggregate numbers against a smaller number of teams. In fact, I'm pretty sure that argument has been used many times on this board to defend the same points against the Patriots. "Yes, player X got 5 of his 10 sacks against the Bills, but every pass rusher has numbers like that!"

What matters more than the cumulative numbers is the potential the team has, and I believe Jacksonville has the potential to be a disruptive front. I'm not afraid of any team at this point in the year, because these are the rounds to embrace great competition and overcome them, but I'm not going to take anything away from the Jaguars defense. They're explosive, the Pats are going to have their hands full, and it's going to be fun.

 

[FCB02062]

There is a lot of talk about Jacksonville’s pass rush being a big issue in the afccg.
They had 55 sacks which looks impressive but over 1/3 of them came in 2 games, 10 each against Indy and houston. They also had 5 each against the jets and browns.
Other than these 4 games against th me worst offenses in the league they had just 25 sacks in 12 games.

It should be noted also that inbthe secund meeting with Indy and Houston the 10 each dropped to 4, which were their 5th and 6rh highest totals, leaving them with 10 games that weren’t against Indy, houston, the jets or browns where they totalled 17 sacks, which is actually a weak pass rush.

Additionally they had 35 of their 55 sacks in the first half of the season and only 20 in the second half.

Finally against houston, Indy, the jets and browns they allowed 9 ppg and against everyone else they allowed 21.4 ppg.

In games they had 2 or fewer sacks which was half of their games, they allowed 21.5.

Is the success of their defense overly related to a handful of games against terrible teams and QBs? Is the patriot scheme and Brady, making them better at protection than the colts, Texans, browns and jets the equalizer?

I think this is going to be a spread them out throw the ball, run no huddle ( jags are not deep at all and do not rotate) gameplan.

Thoughts?

don't tell the media this, it'll ruin their HOTSPORTZTAKES!

 

[PScottman]

They can’t put a corner on Gronk.

They can. The operative part is would they be that stupid? In that I agree the answer is a resounding no. This isn't like Jimmy Graham and Aqib Talib.

 

[Ring 6]

They can. The operative part is would they be that stupid? In that I agree the answer is a resounding no. This isn't like Jimmy Graham and Aqib Talib.

And they don’t have a McCourty at safety who can cover a wr.

 

[Kdo5]

Interesting numbers I hadn't known about that though I did think they were at least a bit overrated. While Ben had some nice throws and Brown some great catches, the Jags still surrendered 42 points overall.

I definitely agree the game plan will be to spread them out and expect big games from the likes of Gronk/Lewis/White.....again.