Patriots brought in someone to teach them about millenials

[mgcolby]

I'm well aware that having an employee who *cannot get to work* is problematic. I do not think, however, that their inability to get to work should necessarily reflect poorly on them.

I'm unclear as to who I defended who happens to be ignorant. More than that, I'm unclear as to who is ignorant in this situation whatsoever.



I mute my phone at night so I do not receive audible alerts. I could see how a late-night text could be off-putting. I don't think I'd form a sweeping judgment about someone, and their integrity/character based on that, however.



What is wrong with digging deeper and seeing if there may be work available that was not explicitly advertised? Obviously you were not, and are not, looking to employ someone for their photography. What I don't understand if why anyone would harshly judge someone for inquiring.



I'm confused. You said initially that you ignored and did not respond to the person in question. Now you're implying that there was two-way communication prior to his "hello?". That obviously changes the situation if true. However, if your initial story is true, that he reached out to you and you did not respond, then it seems like a reasonable text to send.



I don't disagree.

Ok, details....girl gets hired, then a week or so later can't show up anymore. great worker but no ride. I have had more than two people apply and were happy to work as long as we picked them up for work. Its a restaurant, not exactly the mobile trade. Man you are challenging. I used her situation to express the others.

I do not have the luxery/ability to mute my phone at night. I am pretty much on call 24/7. Emails are not emergencies, text messages are "I hope you get up soon", phone calls are emergencies, like national emergencies, that have a chance to make CNN. So maybe I'm skewed, I'll accept that.

I guess that is perspective. I am not so desperate to act like a cold calling sales man who sees an add on craigslist and tries to sell services not requested. Maybe, I'm an ass on this one.

The dude was completely unreasonable ignored several clear distinctions. Job: 8 bucks an hour 20-25 hours a week. his first response ....I need 10 and 30 hours. and then from there it digressed.

Satisfied?

 

[mgcolby]

Says the guy posting extended rants on a football message board at 2am on a Thursday night. Not sure where the high ground is here, but you're definitely not standing on it.

Aww..

Is that short enough or do I need to point out the irony?

 

[catent]

Ok, details....girl gets hired, then a week or so later can't show up anymore. great worker but no ride. I have had more than two people apply and were happy to work as long as we picked them up for work. Its a restaurant, not exactly the mobile trade. Man you are challenging. I used her situation to express the others.

I do not have the luxery/ability to mute my phone at night. I am pretty much on call 24/7. Emails are not emergencies, text messages are "I hope you get up soon", phone calls are emergencies, like national emergencies, that have a chance to make CNN. So maybe I'm skewed, I'll accept that.

I guess that is perspective. I am not so desperate to act like a cold calling sales man who sees an add on craigslist and tries to sell services not requested. Maybe, I'm an ass on this one.

The dude was completely unreasonable ignored several clear distinctions. Job: 8 bucks an hour 20-25 hours a week. his first response ....I need 10 and 30 hours. and then from there it digressed.

Satisfied?

Instead of responding in parts, I'll bite into the whole thing this time around.

I understand your frustrations in these situations, I'm not saying that you're necessarily unjustified in your position on every case.

It was never about me being satisfied, but rather, attempting to communicate how perhaps the people you are interacting with have not screwed up, but rather, reasonable and uncontrollable circumstances and situations may have gotten in the way. That when it seems that someone else fell short, or is ignorant, etc, that there may be a legitimate misunderstanding at play.

And beyond that, my point was to convey that not all millennials are shiftless, lazy, useless, unprincipled human beings with deep rooted character flaws. That simply isn't the case.

 

[BradyFTW!]

We have to compete in a global economy now, even in our local regions ... something our parents never dreamed of having to do. We have to compete against people from India for IT jobs, and a lot of those guys really know their stuff.. and will do the work for 1/4 the price

its funny, i'm a millenial and i have quite a few friends who all have very successful careers in high paying fields/jobs..

1 millenial friend of mine is a biochemist that is in trials for a new cancer treatment/cure drug that they R&D'ed.. his drug could end up saving one of you baby boomer or GenX's lives some day, but he's just a lazy, sensitive piece of garbage in your eyes because of the year he was born

another millenial friend is a highly successful Sr Product Manager and makes nearly 200k a year.. well educated, nice guy, brilliant wife... hard working, upper-class people

another millenial friend is a sr principal engineer and makes bank... leads an entire software engineering team on some complex projects and will be a multi millionaire with all his stock options

2 other millenial friends of mine own their own business and are multi millionaires who live extraordinary lives

i have another millenial friend that is designing crazy ass lasers for BAE, making absolute bank... and will

i have a very intense and high level job as a millenial... ive been told that my composure, maturity and reliability are top notch... all of my reviews are stellar every single year... i had my first jobs at a young age mowing lawns or doing whatever i had to do for a buck.... at 15 i started riding my bike to a dunkin donuts every single day for weeks and weeks.. the owner kept saying i was too young and wasnt interested in hiring me with all the regulations etc... after a few weeks of submitting a new application on a daily basis, he finally gave me my first official W-2 job.. ive been working every day of my life ever since




I know so many amazing, talented, hardworking people that are millenials... perhaps all of you GenX'ers and Baby Boomers are making some of the biggest blunders of your business careers letting millenials walk out because of your prejudice views of them.. maybe you're not doing your job all that well if you just write them off... might be time for you to give up that job and hand it over to a millenial that isn;t as stubborn and can help move the company forward

Compare the reality that millenials have grown up in compared to 50+ years ago.. its night and day.. so to try and compare generation to generation is like trying to compare football players from different eras... there are different challenges and realities that each generation faces, and the millenials have quite a mountain of **** in front of them that was generously left by the previous generation

I can tell you one thing, generalizing an entire demographic of people who span nearly 20 years is pretty foolish... there are amazingly intelligent, hard working millenials that will help change this world

I'm a millennial and also a business owner (which is why I can sit here ****posting on Patsfans instead of sleeping). Just this week I trained two new Indian analysts - didn't like doing it, would have rather kept it stateside, but to stay competitive I've had to split the workforce between a local office and India. You can hire a qualified person over there for what would basically be a starvation wage where I live. I hate having to make that call, and frankly the candidates over here are more qualified and harder workers, but the point you made re: global economy rings true and I can't get around it. American workers can get past that obstacle when they're established in their careers, but it's a really tough sell to convince a company to hire you for wages you can reasonably live on and pay off your loans when you aren't established and need to be trained. No previous generation has had to deal with this in any meaningful way; it's new territory, and millennials are getting wrecked by it.

I feel really bad for millennials. Despite being one, I'm on the older side so I was lucky enough to be in the workforce for at least a bit of time before the recession hit. Allowed me to establish a foothold for myself and go out on my own when I saw that my employer was tanking. I dunno how people even two years younger than me get by, and I'm not surprised to see that many are struggling. It's a brutal time to be starting a career, and frankly people who were coming out and getting started 15+ years ago (let alone 30+) simply don't get it. Whatever experiences they had at the same age are no longer relevant in today's job market. ****, my own experience is pretty much irrelevant and I've only been out of school for a decade or so.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Aww..

Is that short enough or do I need to point out the irony?

Pretty sure if you tried you'd screw up somehow, you don't strike me as a very smart guy.

For example, if your point is that I am also ****posting on Patsfans, I'd counter that a) I'm on the west coast, it's 3 hours earlier for me, and b) I never claimed I had any high ground here, and I'm not ripping on anyone for being attached to their xboxes, whatever that even means.

My point still stands either way: if you're going to rip on someone for being tied to their electronics, then you probably shouldn't do it at 3am on a weeknight on a football message board. Makes you look pretty dumb and hypocritical.

 

[mgcolby]

Instead of responding in parts, I'll bite into the whole thing this time around.

I understand your frustrations in these situations, I'm not saying that you're necessarily unjustified in your position on every case.

It was never about me being satisfied, but rather, attempting to communicate how perhaps the people you are interacting with have not screwed up, but rather, reasonable and uncontrollable circumstances and situations may have gotten in the way. That when it seems that someone else fell short, or is ignorant, etc, that there may be a legitimate misunderstanding at play.

And beyond that, my point was to convey that not all millennials are shiftless, lazy, useless, unprincipled human beings with deep rooted character flaws. That simply isn't the case.

All right...I'll own my part...and sorry for the satisfied it was snarky.

You are possibly right. But the poor folks I grew up with (mostly relatives were either lazy or drug addicts) so my sympathy level is admittedly very low. I just expressed this to my wife, who runs the restaurant daily, that I clearly have an issue when it comes to seeing a man my age come in for a 8 dollar an hour job. My first thought is what a piece of ****.

But then I smack myself and remind myself that I don't know him and we need the help. We had a single dad of two teenagers come in and bust his ass as an audition on a Thursday.

We had scheduled a retired truck driver on Friday to come in and my wife was going to choose between the two. Well the retired dude didn't show up, later we found out his brother lived in Tampa and he left to help him get out before the hurricane. We called the guy from Thursday on Monday and offered him the job. Unfortunately for us, but fortunately for him he was offered a full time job. We couldn't offer that and him and his family needed it. I am obviously biased, as I came from poverty. I know what I have overcome so I have little sympathy for those that didn't. Especially when it comes to drugs and laziness. So what may sound as cruelty from me, was my reality for at this point two thirds of my life.


With that said you are correct I was being generic in my statements about gen-m.

 

[mgcolby]

Pretty sure if you tried you'd screw up somehow, you don't strike me as a very smart guy.

For example, if your point is that I am also ****posting on Patsfans, I'd counter that a) I'm on the west coast, it's 3 hours earlier for me, and b) I never claimed I had any high ground here, and I'm not ripping on anyone for being attached to their xboxes, whatever that even means.

My point still stands either way: if you're going to rip on someone for being tied to their electronics, then you probably shouldn't do it at 3am on a weeknight on a football message board. Makes you look pretty dumb and hypocritical.

Nope I'm dummy sir...no intelligents here mistrer...you western foks know all...we simpletons just hope you tell us how to live.

Not sure I ever spoke of high ground...only one person in this conversation used that term.

But you are correct I'm a dumbass. Have a good night sir.

 

[mgcolby]

I'm a millennial and also a business owner (which is why I can sit here ****posting on Patsfans instead of sleeping). Just this week I trained two new Indian analysts - didn't like doing it, would have rather kept it stateside, but to stay competitive I've had to split the workforce between a local office and India. You can hire a qualified person over there for what would basically be a starvation wage where I live. I hate having to make that call, and frankly the candidates over here are more qualified and harder workers, but the point you made re: global economy rings true and I can't get around it. American workers can get past that obstacle when they're established in their careers, but it's a really tough sell to convince a company to hire you for wages you can reasonably live on and pay off your loans when you aren't established and need to be trained. No previous generation has had to deal with this in any meaningful way; it's new territory, and millennials are getting wrecked by it.

I feel really bad for millennials. Despite being one, I'm on the older side so I was lucky enough to be in the workforce for at least a bit of time before the recession hit. Allowed me to establish a foothold for myself and go out on my own when I saw that my employer was tanking. I dunno how people even two years younger than me get by, and I'm not surprised to see that many are struggling. It's a brutal time to be starting a career, and frankly people who were coming out and getting started 15+ years ago (let alone 30+) simply don't get it. Whatever experiences they had at the same age are no longer relevant in today's job market. ****, my own experience is pretty much irrelevant and I've only been out of school for a decade or so.

Reasonable post. I see your point, but the factors that go into that are so thickly layered its ridiculous.

 

[Joker]

gotta be careful when talking about who is smarter....just watch...it gets ugly

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I don't know if there is a correlation but it seems that few of this generation held a job, even a summer job in high school so they can't appreciate the working world. As the father of 2 millennials (23 and 22 yo, one who was in the military who did hold summer jobs) many of their friends are hard working and don't fit stereotypes but in my work, I come across any who do fit it. I blame the parents ( my generation) for not letting their kids know, " that is life,deal with it" and " nobody ever said life was fair".
Just my $0.02.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As a Gen Xer, I was pretty lucky my grandfathers lived a long time time.

Kids during the Great Depression.

Killed people who were trying to kill them in their 20s

Built businesses in their 30s

Semi retired in their 60s

Drank Schlitz and smoked Lucky Strikes

Took their grandson to golf courses, race tracks, Red Sox games and always freaking said, "Do it right and not 1/2 ass.".

They weren't sophisticated men. They were 1st gen Americans with a HS diploma. One owned a body shop and the other was a general contractor. They were bigots. They swore in front of me as a little kid. But they were fiercy loyal, loved their family and their country more than anything.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

You're responsible for grunge and hip hop. That alone exiles you to the last row of the balcony.

Oh come on! Soundgarden wasn't half bad. Even early hip hop (like Grandmaster Flash) had it moments before it denigrated into repetitive narcissistic garbage.

This pop song from 98 seems to sum up the zeitgeist of the 90's.

 

[slam]

Whatever you think of Millennials, you aren't winning too many football games with rosters full of gen xers and boomers these days.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

As a Gen Xer, I was pretty lucky my grandfathers lived a long time time.

Kids during the Great Depression.

Killed people who were trying to kill them in their 20s

Built businesses in their 30s

Semi retired in their 60s

Drank Schlitz and smoked Lucky Strikes

Took their grandson to golf courses, race tracks, Red Sox games and always freaking said, "Do it right and not 1/2 ass.".

They weren't sophisticated men. They were 1st gen Americans with a HS diploma. One owned a body shop and the other was a general contractor. They were bigots. They swore in front of me as a little kid. But they were fiercy loyal, loved their family and their country more than anything.

After experiencing the horrors of WW2 firsthand, they naturally wanted to shelter their children from the harsh realities of human nature . . . hence, baby boomers.

 

[Observer]

You can't be serious? Really you can not be.

My wife and I opened a small restaurant 5 months ago...we recently hired a young girl 22 or so, she was a hard worker and we were happy. Two weeks in, I can't work here anymore because I don't have a ride...

I got a text from a 20'something at midnight with his "qualifications". I got a call from a 27 year old, in response to a "prep/line"cook add on craigslist asking if we needed any photography work.

Ignored several texts from an idiot...he responded with "Hello?"

Not trying to surpress their wages. They simply don't have a clue. Atleast those on the backend that didn't serve. The greatest generation went to hell, came back and said this is how it should be...we have differences but we are not Europe. Now we have kids that leave home, go to college and say why can't I make $15 an hour serving a pistachio, reeses, peanut butter oreo muckalada kum bay ya coffee.

Cause no one will pay the price for that awesome cup of coffee, it takes to support the work force it takes to make it at that payroll cost.

All the millennials that I work with are very diligent workers but I also work in a highly skilled sector. The main issue I think, as you also mentioned in your post, is that millennials are a victim of a time where there has been an excess of education and a shortage of jobs. Their investment in education requires that they make a good salary but the job market simply does not have work that is commensurate to their education level. On the other hand college also fills them with grand ideas about their role in the world and hence the supposed dissatisfaction with the “real” world.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

You actually think you're better? That's cute.

I wouldn't say better. More like resentful that from 2020 to 2030, our generation will be hit with the bulk of the burden of supporting the retiring generation of spoiled brats who starved us with internships and appallingly low wages when we first entered the workforce.

 

[zoostation]

I know what a lug wrench is!!! Is this a lug wrench?

 

[PatriotsReign]

Oh yeah, a right-leaning site of middle-aged Gen Xers and Boomers in a thread about millennials, I'm sure this thread be a comprehensive lesson on the human condition and not just sweeping generalizations gleaned from whatever 'get off my lawn' blog you guys read today.

Just as an FYI, no one has a right to be on your lawn. Lawns aren't public propert. Lawns should never be shared. So the right thing to do when someone's on it is to tell them to get off your lawn

 

[Clonamery]

it's basic math....**** + heads = GenM

I thought that **** + heads = Playboy. Idk, I just was thinking of Huge Hefner.

 

[sambam94]

labeling a whole generation is beyond stupid