Brissett to start vs Cardinals

[King Air Pilot]

Gurantee Jacoby wan Kanobi has a better NFL career then Aladdin. Trading him was stupid.

 

[Simpelton]

He was doing alright until overtime.

Ahh well. The Colts had a shot to win, but the whole team fell apart in the 4th and the pick in overtime made it official. Up till that pick, Brissett looked ok -- not great, not terrible, but ok. He's not good enough to survive that kind of mistake though. Still I think on the whole Brissett did more in this game to demonstrate that he belongs than that he doesn't.

So for those of you who were hoping that Jacoby looks good but the Colts choke? Congrats, that's almost exactly what happened.

 

[shmessy]

He was doing alright until overtime.

Ahh well. The Colts had a shot to win, but the whole team fell apart in the 4th and the pick in overtime made it official. Up till that pick, Brissett looked ok -- not great, not terrible, but ok. He's not good enough to survive that kind of mistake though. Still I think on the whole Brissett did more in this game to demonstrate that he belongs than that he doesn't.

So for those of you who were hoping that Jacoby looks good but the Colts choke? Congrats, that's almost exactly what happened.

He belongs. Started learning a new system and his teammates names 13 days ago.

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[rochrist]

Just like Ryan Mallet! His first start was 20-30, 211 yds, 2TDs 1INT in a 23-7 win.

 

[Tunescribe]

By disagreeing that the Indy coaches who brought the fake punt play are'nt "good" who knows what you believe.

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

 

[chumpchange]

Probably "good luck kid, good thing I'm gonna be able to pick my new home after this year, I'll be able to land on a good team and won't have to land in a dumpster fire like that."

Strikes me a bit like the old story of the tortoise and the hare. Brissett is in a good position for a guy who wants to start NOW, take his chances immediately and damn the torpedoes. Jimmy G's approach is much more methodical, and I think it's going to yield him big money just as soon if not sooner than Brissett, and with a lot less risk involved on his part.

I'm pretty sure both guys are taking an approach to trying to become NFL starters that fits what they are. Brissett needs to go out and prove something right now, he's not going to get any traction until and unless he's doing it in front of a live audience. Garoppolo meanwhile can make a good contract for himself on the fact that he's a longterm student of Tom Brady, and that's an opportunity Brissett could not have taken advantage of as well due to the fact that Brissett, like Hoyer and Cassell and a lot of other former Pats quarterbacks, doesn't play the same style. Garoppolo can live to an extent on the presumption that he's good. Brissett has to prove himself far more. Personally I think they're both about as well placed as they can be.

I can't believe we're not getting any value for Jimmy. It made a little sense to keep Jimmy when the assumption was we were loaded for a championship and he was insurance, but now that half the team has gone down, we REALLY could have used those good draft picks/trades to restock, rather than getting zero for him next year.

 

[Simpelton]

Whay good draft picks would that be? There were rumors, but only rumors -- never a confirmation of a firm offer being made.

 

[chumpchange]

Whay good draft picks would that be? There were rumors, but only rumors -- never a confirmation of a firm offer being made.

Anything is better than nothing. I think Jimmy's accomplishments are blown way out of proportion--like a less accomplished Matt Cassel during his tenure here--but teams are so enchanted with QBs that train under Brady, they think some of that genius must transfer by osmosis, so there's grossly inflated value on an unproven quarterback. We could have easily capitalized on that. Instead, we now get to let Jimmy walk for absolutely nothing or pay him 24 million to ride the pine.

 

[Simpelton]

And yet all of what you just said is entirely without basis in verified fact. Nobody paid anything for Garoppolo, and every time a team was asked if Garoppolo was on their radar, they said no. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a backup quarterback is just a backup quarterback.

Garoppolo had the bad luck to be going into his last year of the old contract just after some numbnut overpaid for Brock Osweiler. With that object lesson firmly in view, overpaying for career backups was not likely to be in the cards unless someone got desperate. And clearly, nobody did.

I mean, I do think Garoppolo can succeed as a starting quarterback in the NFL, don't get me wrong. BUT a team taking a risk on a guy like that who's never started, is kind of gonna have to be a buy-low proposition for that team. They have to be in a position to reap far more than equivalent value for the risk they're taking at such a high profile position.

That really reduces what a team will risk in terms of trade assets. Nobody's going to pay face value for a player who's never faced the rigors of a full season. Getting hurt in game 2 last year does NOT help there either, that was supposed to be Garoppolo's big break and Brissett got more snaps out of it than he does. The league WAS watching when that happened. That means that the market for Garoppolo's services may be a LOT smaller than we've tricked ourselves into thinking it is.

 

[Tunescribe]

And yet all of what you just said is entirely without basis in verified fact. Nobody paid anything for Garoppolo, and every time a team was asked if Garoppolo was on their radar, they said no. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a backup quarterback is just a backup quarterback.

Garoppolo had the bad luck to be going into his last year of the old contract just after some numbnut overpaid for Brock Osweiler. With that object lesson firmly in view, overpaying for career backups was not likely to be in the cards unless someone got desperate. And clearly, nobody did.

I mean, I do think Garoppolo can succeed as a starting quarterback in the NFL, don't get me wrong. BUT a team taking a risk on a guy like that who's never started, is kind of gonna have to be a buy-low proposition for that team. They have to be in a position to reap far more than equivalent value for the risk they're taking at such a high profile position.

That really reduces what a team will risk in terms of trade assets. Nobody's going to pay face value for a player who's never faced the rigors of a full season. Getting hurt in game 2 last year does NOT help there either, that was supposed to be Garoppolo's big break and Brissett got more snaps out of it than he does. The league WAS watching when that happened. That means that the market for Garoppolo's services may be a LOT smaller than we've tricked ourselves into thinking it is.

Here you go; what size do you take? Chances are you can find a Chinese knockoff for around $45 (stitching might not last, though).

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The league WAS watching when that happened.

So a single injury at the hands of a defense that knocked about a half-dozen QBs out of games is proof positive that he is "injury-prone"?

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

I posted that Brisette will NOT benefit from good coaching in Indy - to which you disagreed. Are you a big fan of Pagano?

 

[AtomicDawg]

Poor guy. Was shipped from the penthouse to the outhouse.

 

[Simpelton]

So a single injury at the hands of a defense that knocked about a half-dozen QBs out of games is proof positive that he is "injury-prone"?

Not so bad as that but when it's the only evidence we have of Garoppolo in action it has an impact.

Again this is not so much about player assessment as it is about risk management. When you are talking about trading a player to another team that team will assess a player on both bases.

We know he's good. They know he's good too. But when the only bit of live-action you ever seen from the guy involves immediately getting hurt, you'd be an idiot not to factor that in.

 

[Simpelton]

Here you go; what size do you take? Chances are you can find a Chinese knockoff for around $45 (stitching might not last, though).

I really have no idea why you're being so hateful about this.

 

[TommyD4207]

Just like Ryan Mallet! His first start was 20-30, 211 yds, 2TDs 1INT in a 23-7 win.

The Patriots really are turning into the 90s 49ers/Packers, with all their backup QBs playing (and starting) for other teams.

 

[Dagg]

I watched that game as I had the under, and he didnt play bad considering the guys around him. A very Brisset like performance 20-37 220yds and like 25 rushing. He is what he is hes not going to drop back and carve you up with his arm. Unfortunately the Colts need more than a game manager with the talent they have..

 

[FCB02062]

Saw Jacoby throw several one hoppers to first yesterday...

 

[Bill Lee]

He was doing alright until overtime.

Ahh well. The Colts had a shot to win, but the whole team fell apart in the 4th and the pick in overtime made it official. Up till that pick, Brissett looked ok -- not great, not terrible, but ok. He's not good enough to survive that kind of mistake though. Still I think on the whole Brissett did more in this game to demonstrate that he belongs than that he doesn't.

So for those of you who were hoping that Jacoby looks good but the Colts choke? Congrats, that's almost exactly what happened.

What about those of us who see a second coming of Tyrod Taylor and/or Gee No Smith?

All in all, Brisette for Dorsett seems to be working out OK for both teams.

 

[Tunescribe]

I really have no idea why you're being so hateful about this.

I really have no idea why you think I'm being hateful about this. Where is the "hate"?