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Brissett to start vs Cardinals

This makes Jimmy G the only player to be QB2 week one in the last 12 seasons who has not started for another team.

If JB gets named as a captain for the game every backup apart from Jimmy will have been a game day captain elsewhere. This includes Kevin O'Connell
 
Still hate the colts and hope they loose 99-0.

This.

For those that are saying "I'm rooting for Jacoby"....ummm...seriously? Good for Jacoby the person. He has hit an incredibly rare height as a multiple game starter in the NFL. I think he will hit the 2m gross mark after this year -- about 2M in 2 years. Even if he stopped playing in the NFL after this season his post tax earnings at such a young age means playing it safe with these earnings will make him a rare and very good comfort at 50.
Good for JB!

Now to NFL games: he is a colt, the colts are slime starting at the top. Any thought other than seeing the colts lose (until strategic matchups come into play late season) doesn't and shouldn't compute to a Patriot fan.
 
What a bunch of wishfully subjective hooey. The Patriots shipped him for good reason and unless you're a Colts fan, your fawning over the player makes little sense. Brissett is a fine young man, hard working and apparently dedicated. However, that did not sufficiently compensate for the limited skill set he thus far has demonstrated as a passer, obvious even from his college days, to keep him in New England. Yes, he has a strong arm but that's pretty much it. His mechanics are inconsistent (footwork, release, touch) leading to problems with accuracy on short and intermediate routes, especially timing routes in which an offense like New England's specializes.

He showed no real improvement since last year and they traded him away. Can his strong intangibles transcend this over the long term if he works hard on becoming a better passer vs. thrower? Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The hardest thing for ANY quarterback to permanently change is his mechanics. Tim Tebow was a classic example of this syndrome: in practice, when mindful of adjusting his mechanics, he could be OK. In games, when he had to think about other things, his mechanics went to hell. Garoppolo is the exact opposite of that -- his passing mechanics are superb and that's why he's still on the roster.
Nobody with a brain thought that Tebow was going to succeed long term. If you're convinced that Brissett's mechanics are as bad as Tebow's were, you are simply wrong.

The kid has a big arm and some bad habits. How you value him depends on whether you think:

1: Brissett can break those habits
2: Brissett can learn to compensate for those habits in other facets of his game

or

3: A gameplan can be devised that takes advantage of what Brissett does well while minimizing his weak areas.

That couldn't be done with Tebow because he was just so far removed from what a successful NFL quarterback actually looks like. Tebow's accuracy was literally dreadful, and while he was humble in the media, he was incredibly stubborn about learning or making adjustments in practice. When Tebow's famous luck ran out there was nothing for him in the NFL because his skills were just not there to succeed.

Brissett's accuracy and mechanical issues are not nearly so bad as Tebow's. He's not elite with either his mechanics nor his accuracy, but I think in both cases he's good enough to work with. More to the point he's also both intelligent and humble enough to take good advice. He spent a lot of time this preseason learning how to throw out of the pocket, which is a completely different style to the one he played in college, and the dividends were starting to show before the trade.

I'd Brissett's accuracy and mechanics both as average, to perhaps a tick above average on a good day. Not great, but nothing a good coach can't find a way to work with if he's got enough going for him in the rest of his squad.

Belichick already proved that with a good running back to help power the offense, Brissett can at least win an NFL game. Are you really straining this hard to convince yourself that a kid who has been separately praised to the roof for his intelligence, humility, competitiveness and leadership, can't make some kind of adjustment and figure out how to win?

As for your longwinded speil about failure to improve -- are you kidding me? Kid's barely finished his second preseason, and he was good enough to manage the game to a win in his rookie year. How much improvement do you expect a kid to show in 16 months? Hell, at this stage of the Great One's career, he hadn't started an NFL game yet. If you really expected a third string second year quarterback to become Steve Young overnight, you seriously need to check yourself. By any reasonable measurements Brissett has done an amazing job both improving and advancing himself, wildly exceeding expectations in both areas. He has made enormous strides professionally and steady progress on the field. If all you can do is sit there whining that he isn't perfect yet, I don't know what to say.

Personally I think that Brissett has already justified Parcells' raving about him. I wish him well in getting the **** out of Indianapolis and finding some little midmarket to call home for the next 10 years or so.
 
Nobody dreams of being a Hoyer, Cassell, Fitzpatrick, etc., but what a dream come true to be able to start NFL football games, play for 12 or so years, and make millions of dollars. Beats anything I've ever done.

I'd love to be a 2nd or 3rd string QB for 12 years.
 
Nobody with a brain thought that Tebow was going to succeed long term. If you're convinced that Brissett's mechanics are as bad as Tebow's were, you are simply wrong.

The kid has a big arm and some bad habits. How you value him depends on whether you think:

1: Brissett can break those habits
2: Brissett can learn to compensate for those habits in other facets of his game

or

3: A gameplan can be devised that takes advantage of what Brissett does well while minimizing his weak areas.

That couldn't be done with Tebow because he was just so far removed from what a successful NFL quarterback actually looks like. Tebow's accuracy was literally dreadful, and while he was humble in the media, he was incredibly stubborn about learning or making adjustments in practice. When Tebow's famous luck ran out there was nothing for him in the NFL because his skills were just not there to succeed.

Brissett's accuracy and mechanical issues are not nearly so bad as Tebow's. He's not elite with either his mechanics nor his accuracy, but I think in both cases he's good enough to work with. More to the point he's also both intelligent and humble enough to take good advice. He spent a lot of time this preseason learning how to throw out of the pocket, which is a completely different style to the one he played in college, and the dividends were starting to show before the trade.

I'd Brissett's accuracy and mechanics both as average, to perhaps a tick above average on a good day. Not great, but nothing a good coach can't find a way to work with if he's got enough going for him in the rest of his squad.

Belichick already proved that with a good running back to help power the offense, Brissett can at least win an NFL game. Are you really straining this hard to convince yourself that a kid who has been separately praised to the roof for his intelligence, humility, competitiveness and leadership, can't make some kind of adjustment and figure out how to win?

As for your longwinded speil about failure to improve -- are you kidding me? Kid's barely finished his second preseason, and he was good enough to manage the game to a win in his rookie year. How much improvement do you expect a kid to show in 16 months? Hell, at this stage of the Great One's career, he hadn't started an NFL game yet. If you really expected a third string second year quarterback to become Steve Young overnight, you seriously need to check yourself. By any reasonable measurements Brissett has done an amazing job both improving and advancing himself, wildly exceeding expectations in both areas. He has made enormous strides professionally and steady progress on the field. If all you can do is sit there whining that he isn't perfect yet, I don't know what to say.

Personally I think that Brissett has already justified Parcells' raving about him. I wish him well in getting the **** out of Indianapolis and finding some little midmarket to call home for the next 10 years or so.
Simpleton (check your spelling) is a reasonable screen name for you, but after this post you should consider changing it to Cretin or Clueless.

I didn't state that Brissett's mechanics are as bad as Tebow's, I used Tebow as an illustrative example of why bad mechanics are difficult to overcome. I acknowledged Brissett's strong intangibles, which is all you're breathlessly hanging your hat on here. I also suggested that those intangibles (leadership, competitiveness, etc.) might be enough to keep him in the league IF he can become a better passer. But now that's the Colts' problem and no longer New England's.
 
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Stop comparing Brissett to Tyrod Taylor. I know they're both black, but Brissett is a different type of QB than Taylor

Tyrod Taylor reminds me of Derek Carr - good in the pocket, accurate, and can run if needed. But you always cringe when either one takes off as it's an injury waiting to happen.

Jacoby Brissett is a much bigger guy and can hold his own against safeties and corners. I was immensely impressed with the speed and accuracy of his throws at TC this year. I think the Colts got a very good player to take advantage of all those skill position players on that roster - TY Hilton, Brandon Williams and Frank Gore is a pretty solid core of players around Brissett. I am definitely rooting for him to make Luck tradebait.
 
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Simpleton (check your spelling) is a reasonable screen name for you, but after this post you should consider changing it to Cretin or Clueless.

I didn't state that Brissett's mechanics are as bad as Tebow's, I used Tebow as an illustrative example of why bad mechanics are difficult to overcome. I acknowledged Brissett's strong intangibles, which is all you're breathlessly hanging your hat on here. I also suggested that those intangibles (leadership, competitiveness, etc.) might be enough to keep him in the league IF he can become a better passer. But now that's the Colts' problem and no longer New England's.
And the reason we disagree is because you believe that he has to become a better passer. I personally suspect that that's because we're used to a legendary passer, which Brissett is clearly not.

Brissett needs to bring his total game up to the point where the complete package allows him to win NFL games. I honestly don't believe he needs to become an elite passer to do this. He does need to be allergic to turnovers, he does need to be good at managing the clock, leading the team on the field, speaking for the team to the press, that kind of thing. He's shown that he is capable of these things.

Beyond that, the team has to be capable of putting up points on offense. An elite passing quarterback is a big piece of creating that kind of offense but it's not the only way to do it -- just the way WE do it.

If you have a stout defense and a good stable of running backs, you don't need an elite passer to complete the picture, you just need a guy who won't hurt you -- someone who can do all the intangibles and avoid turnovers. I think it's pretty clear that Brissett has the skills to succeed as that kind of quarterback. It's a matter of experience and opportunity whether he ever gets there from here.
 
And the reason we disagree is because you believe that he has to become a better passer. I personally suspect that that's because we're used to a legendary passer, which Brissett is clearly not.
No, my assessment of Brissett solely is on what he brings to the table, not in comparison to anyone else. The Patriots let him go for a reason. Only time will tell if he has what it takes to succeed.
 
No, my assessment of Brissett solely is on what he brings to the table, not in comparison to anyone else. The Patriots let him go for a reason. Only time will tell if he has what it takes to succeed.
They let him go because they needed another receiver to replace their injured guys more than they needed a QB3 and from the Patriots' perspective, with Brady healthy and Garoppolo in the stable behind him, Brissett is a replaceable assett. That by no means indicates that Brissett is garbage or a bad quarterback.

For someone who feels entitled to belittle other peoples' intelligence, you've let some logical fallacies into your thinking.
 
I wonder what Jimmy Garoppolo is thinking, now that Jacoby "Rocket-Laser-On-The-Bubble-Screen" Brissett has a starting gig before he does.
 
Good, Now we (or they) can concentrate on his play, rather than wallow in all this mawkish nonsense about what a great guy he is, and how much the Tuna loves him.
 
Good, Now we (or they) can concentrate on his play, rather than wallow in all this mawkish nonsense about what a great guy he is, and how much the Tuna loves him.

I apologize on behalf of everyone who like a former Patriots player.
 
I apologize on behalf of everyone who like a former Patriots player.

My condolences on your inability to like somebody without being mawkish about it. It must be hard for you.
 
My condolences on your inability to like somebody without being mawkish about it. It must be hard for you.

Yo, I'm not the one *****ing about people being fond of a guy the team just traded.
 
Yo, I'm not the one *****ing about people being fond of a guy the team just traded.
Fnord, I believe Thelonius's point (which I agree with) is that Brissett's case generated a notably exceptional amount of mawkishness.
 
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