46 Man Roster (updated to 49) - Lots Of Room At The End Of The Roster

[supafly]

Premature ejaculation of young draft pick.
He had some decent days in camp. His bad day came in this game as he sailed several completable passes a yard or more over his targets.
It would take consistent suckage to make a garbage FA QB worth the cap hit and roster space to replace him, not that we couldn't easily absorb the cap hit if needed.

I would think it would be more about his ability (or lack thereof) to fully comprehend and run the offense, versus sailing some balls, but that's obviously up to the experts to decide.

We know that he couldn't even run a small portion of the offense effectively last year, but also understood that was likely due to a learning curve. If he's not improving in that aspect, I'd be much more concerned about that issue.

 

[supafly]

I am starting to wonder if Jacoby Brissett is a roster lock.

I think he stays for another year, if nothing more than a scout team/developmental QB, which we would likely need if he were released.

In a difficult system to grasp, I think he'd really have to be completely lost for BB to throw in the towel, already. Just my humble opinion.

 

[jmt57]

Premature ejaculation of young draft pick.
He had some decent days in camp. His bad day came in this game as he sailed several completable passes a yard or more over his targets.
It would take consistent suckage to make a garbage FA QB worth the cap hit and roster space to replace him, not that we couldn't easily absorb the cap hit if needed.

I was thinking in terms of the Pats reverting to two quarterbacks on the roster, and then being able to keep one more player at another position.

 

[Deus Irae]

Given this team's QB1-QB2 situation, I don't really see why anyone would expect Brissett to get cut. With BB, we should never rule anything out, but to expect it seems to miss the mark on the likely future(s) of the position, here in N.E..

 

[mgteich]

I was thinking in terms of the Pats reverting to two quarterbacks on the roster, and then being able to keep one more player at another position.

I like using a roster spot for a developmental quarterback, especially when are likely to lose our #2 after the season.

 

[Gumby]

I was thinking in terms of the Pats reverting to two quarterbacks on the roster, and then being able to keep one more player at another position.

That time of relying on the durability of a 30-year old TB in a league where the passing game hadnt taken on such a dominant role is past.

Particularly when the #2 is in his last year as a backup on this team (JAG either gets franchised and traded or displaces TB). If JAG leaves, brisket is either the transition 2 or the next heir apparent. You cant give him up to save a roster spot, sorry.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

as mgteich said if we're gonna lose our #2 after this season, Bisquick will have to prove he can't become a #2 to get cut

 

[The Gr8est]

Note: Thuner is a typo: Thuney.

d%#*!@t!

Thuner was a binkie!

 

[Julius]

If Brissett has an inconsistent and less than stellar preseason, could he fit on the PS? Which teams would make him their #2 QB?

I've had the same thought. I'm not sure Jacoby is worth a roster spot, and I doubt another team would poach him before he landed on the practice squad.

 

[micronin127]

Great list mgteich! The only player from your 46 that I didn’t have was Matthew Slater. I think he might start the year on IR and miss at least the first 8 games.

I think that with Garcia needing a developmental year at OT that they’ll carry two additional linemen, 9 total. Fleming and one other, maybe Ferentz as a pure center.

At least 3 more defensive linemen, though I might label Guy as a DE/DT. Grissom, Butler, Ealy? Trade for a different DE?

One more linebacker…Langi or Roberts?

Two more defensive backs… one CB and one S and I have no sense for who.

Then if I am wrong about Slater that is it, otherwise it is Bill’s choice… Bolden, Carr, or Hollister.

 

[Tony2046]

Here are my locks... I have 45 as of now but it can change.

QB (3) T.Brady, J.Brissett, J.Garoppolo
RB/FB (5) M.Gillislee, J.White, R.Burkhead, D.Lewis, J.Develin
WR (6) J.Edelman, C.Hogan, B.Cooks, M.Mitchell, D.Amendola,
TE (2) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (3) N.Solder, M.Cannon, T.Garcia
DE (3) T.Flowers, D.Rivers, D. Wise
DT (4) M.Brown, A.Branch, L.Guy, V.Valentine
LB(4) D.Hightower, D.Harris, H.Langi, B.King
CB (4) M.Butler, S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones
SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (4) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona, M. Slater

On the inside looking out...

(5) Hollister - TE, Ealy - DE, Robert - LB C. Flemming - OT, A. Butler - DT

On the outside looking in...

(11) J. O'Shaughnessy - TE, J. Richards - S, A. Carr - WR, D. Lucien - WR, S. McClellin - LB. Van Noy - LB, Freeney - LB, Moore - CB, S. Jones, Grissom - DE/LB, Bolden - RB

At this point no one else is really worth mentioning.

Good list.

I'd put Bolden on inside looking out. ST value + has had a good camp + had a very good first game.

I would probably add Travis to the outside looking in list.

Still early but:

A. Butler - Had some eye popping snaps in which he power rushed the tackle two + yards into the backfield disrupting plays.


A. Carr - We know of his catches but he was also very active during run blocking plays. Including those that were run on the opposite side of the formation.



Carr wide open during the play in which JG was sacked. (I believe this would have been JG's 3rd or 4th read which he didn't have time to get to) Brady would have seen him.

BTW: Waddle's cut on the DE sucked despite what Fauria thinks. The sack was definitely on Waddle and not JG.


Carr wide open: (Zone) First down.






The difference between Rivers and Ealy?



Cyrus Jones:

KR - I don't think he sees the field clear enough.

This looks like it was designed to cut to the right. Not visible in this shot but the Pats blocking scheme is coming from right to left.

Although it's also possible that someone missed the Jag's gunner. Kilgo attempted to get him late and looked upset after the play.



I know C. Jones blew this TD but he had tight coverage. A little one on one mentoring from MB would do him some good.

Learn to play the receiver and not the ball and this is an incompletion. Bad yes. Correctable yes.



Travis and Wise: Both got past the blocking to blow up the run on this play.

I'm curious of what people think about Travis. He seems to pop up around the ball a lot.



Hamilton (with excellent containment) and guess who? Travis.




Lucien: Damn if JG had five more yards on that throw and kept it on the left seam. Lucien had beaten double coverage.




I'll post more later.

 

[mgteich]

Great list mgteich! The only player from your 46 that I didn’t have was Matthew Slater. I think he might start the year on IR and miss at least the first 8 games.

I agree, but for now I have him on the 53.

 

[Ring 6]

as mgteich said if we're gonna lose our #2 after this season, Bisquick will have to prove he can't become a #2 to get cut

But he could do that from the practice squad.

 

[mgteich]

But he could do that from the practice squad.

So, you think that Brissett is so bad that no team would want him as their #2 or #3 (and thus sign him off our PS)? And at the same time, he is good enough to be our #2 for 2018?

 

[BTTA]

So, you think that Brissett is so bad that no team would want him as their #2 or #3 (and thus sign him off our PS)? And at the same time, he is good enough to be our #2 for 2018?

Not "so bad" but this is possible. IIRC, if a team takes him off of our practice squad, they have to keep him on their 53, or he reverts back to the Pats. Most teams aren't keeping 3 QB's, right? (Or has that changed?). So that means he has to be seen as better than the current #2 on someone's roster. And as has been said before, everyone likes their own players, in part because they know the system.

 

[BTTA]

BTW: Waddle's cut on the DE sucked despite what Fauria thinks. The sack was definitely on Waddle and not JG.
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The play is designed to be a quick pass over the DE on the left. Waddle's job is to get the DE low and slow, which is exactly what happened. Most DE's can recover from that and get back after the QB. But the ball should be long gone by then.

 

[Tony2046]

The play is designed to be a quick pass over the DE on the left. Waddle's job is to get the DE low and slow, which is exactly what happened. Most DE's can recover from that and get back after the QB. But the ball should be long gone by then.

I'm not so sure about that. That DE didn't have much to recover from. He basically gets tripped up a bit and then sacks JG. So it was a poorly executed cut block imo.

The snap to sack time was about 2.5 seconds.

The window to throw to the left was about 1.5 seconds. The remaining second was JG scrambling.

That can't be the designed throwing window for that play.

What do you think?



This is the initial block:


This is the result. The DE doesn't fall to the ground.


1/4 second later:



The DE is barreling down on JG just as the receivers were making their cuts.

 

[supafly]

I'm not so sure about that. That DE didn't have much to recover from. He basically gets tripped up a bit and then sacks JG. So it was a poorly executed cut block imo.

The snap to sack time was about 2.5 seconds.

The window to throw to the left was about 1.5 seconds. The remaining second was JG scrambling.

That can't be the designed throwing window for that play.

What do you think?



This is the initial block:
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This is the result. The DE doesn't fall to the ground.
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1/4 second later:
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The DE is barreling down on JG just as the receivers were making their cuts.

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Excellent pics and breakdown. Great input, here.

 

[supafly]

But he could do that from the practice squad.

I don't think he'd make it to the PS based on the fact that he was mentored by Parcells and drafted in the 3rd round by Belichick. He also has a big arm and started a couple of games last season.

I'm guessing there would be at least a couple of teams who would be interested in taking a flier on him. Who knows, though?

 

[Gumby]

IIRC, if a team takes him off of our practice squad, they have to keep him on their 53, or he reverts back to the Pats. Most teams aren't keeping 3 QB's, right? (Or has that changed?). So that means he has to be seen as better than the current #2 on someone's roster. And as has been said before, everyone likes their own players, in part because they know the system.

If you sign someone off another PS, I believe the rule is he has to go on active roster for three weeks at least. There is no such thing as 'reverting'; you just can't poach by only offering more bling.

While BB & TB started a mini trend of SOME teams keeping only two a few years ago, I don't believe it ever took hold or became the majority philosophy. [even BB reverted to 3 when the ommisioner became unpredictable]

2016 Rosters:
Jills: Manuel, Taylor, Jones (Trainer, Woodrum )
Jesters: Fitzpick6, Hackenberg, Petty, Smith
Phish: Tannehill, Moore, Yates

Just look at our own division. All kept AT LEAST 3. Then throw in the PS bubbas, if they have a more borderline guy than Brisket they can stash in PS for three weeks. And then our friends down south seem to have plenty of space for even four qbs, especially if they have no WRs .