OT NBA Draft Lottery

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

You should honestly probably just stop watching basketball. Or start. Because whatever you're doing right now ain't working.

Yeah. LeBron just steamrolled an exhausted team being led by a 5'9 PG with no other consistent scoring options. Surely, he's the GOAT of basketball.

P.S.- Socialism has never once improved any society that was foolish enough to embrace it.

 

[SalemPats]

Fultz. Get it down Danny, easy decision.

have you ever seen Fultz play?

 

[SalemPats]

Kareem doesn't get nearly enough credit, him Russ and Wilt are right up there with MJ, but Kareem especially has a great argument for GOAT status.

no way Kareem is in the argument. He played with Magic who was clearly the ebst player on the Lakers. You can't be in the GOAT argument if you weren't even the best player on your team.

 

[Froob]

This is why I didn't have a problem with the Cavs laying a bit of a beat down on us last night. I trust that Danny isn't with the "contend now" train of thought but in case he was I hope this reinforced that we need to continue to be patient.

Develop Fultz, Brown, Zizic and potentially a Bkn '18 pick. Let the current core give us some enjoyable seasons (even if we aren't a legit contender). By 2020 we should be well on our way.

Yabs might be something too, in the mold of a Draymond/Boris Diaw type guy. He's been playing against some real **** competition though, so hard to say if he can play. Our old friend Shav Randolph is the prime Shaq of the China league lmao.

 

[Bartmac36]

Interesting that Paul Pierce thinks we should trade the pick. He doesn't think Markelle Fultz is the answer and that we need to try and take advantage of the current window

Thats certainly a fair point, the only problem is you dont know if bringing in one or two proven commodities will be enough to get over the hump. I think it could, a lot of people think it wouldnt. But you also dont know if building for the future will warrant the same window for success that we currently have, although it certainly could.

I think this is a much harder, more fascinating decision than a lot of people are making it out to be.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I agree !!!!

 

[Keyser Söze]

have you ever seen Fultz play?

Yes he does virtually everything better than Ball.

 

[Kdo5]

Interesting that Paul Pierce thinks we should trade the pick. He doesn't think Markelle Fultz is the answer and that we need to try and take advantage of the current window

Thats certainly a fair point, the only problem is you dont know if bringing in one or two proven commodities will be enough to get over the hump. I think it could, a lot of people think it wouldnt. But you also dont know if building for the future will warrant the same window for success that we currently have, although it certainly could.

I think this is a much harder, more fascinating decision than a lot of people are making it out to be.

I love Pierce but he is wrong. There is no championship window for the current Celtics, even if we add Jimmy Butler. Add a really good player or two and we can probably go toe to toe with Cleveland on some nights...at best. That's simply not worth #1 overall.

I really believe the only way we don't take Fultz is by acquiring a top 5-10 player under the age of 25, or trade down for Jackson/Tatum while also acquiring a great player.

I could possibly stomach doing the latter with a "in Danny I trust" mindset, and would be all for landing Anthony Davis if we was even available.

 

[rochrist]

no way Kareem is in the argument. He played with Magic who was clearly the ebst player on the Lakers. You can't be in the GOAT argument if you weren't even the best player on your team.

Jabaar played for 11 years before Magic was even in the league and won a championship with the freaking BUCKS!!

 

[patfanken]

Interesting that Paul Pierce thinks we should trade the pick. He doesn't think Markelle Fultz is the answer and that we need to try and take advantage of the current window

Thats certainly a fair point, the only problem is you dont know if bringing in one or two proven commodities will be enough to get over the hump. I think it could, a lot of people think it wouldnt. But you also dont know if building for the future will warrant the same window for success that we currently have, although it certainly could.

I think this is a much harder, more fascinating decision than a lot of people are making it out to be.

Interesting - I heard Gasper being interviewed and was asked if he would trade the #1 pick for the following:

Porzingious
Anthony- Townes
Westbrook
George
Butler.

The only one he said no to was Butler, but he said he'd choose the player over the pick for all the rest.

BTW- correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the C's have ANOTHER likely lottery pick in next year's draft?

If that is true then I think I'm more in favor of making the trade this year instead of Fultz. What is true of the Browns is true in a certain way to the C's. You can have TOO many draft picks, or be TOO young. This is especially true when you factor in the amount of time it takes these young kids to develop and mature into true impact players. Fultz might indeed be a future all star, but that is a MIGHT, and even if he is, what will the C's look like when it finally happens 2-3 years down the road.

I agree with Gasper's group of Townes, Westbrook and George (only if he extends). I would say no to Porzingous and Butler for that #1 pick. Now the question is, what young vet would pry you off of that #1 pick?

 

[1960Pats]

Interesting opinion. Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Bob Cousy all have said that Jordan is the GOAT. You'd think they would have all picked Russell if it were that clear- cut.

What do they know?

West and Baylor I understand, but Cousy really said that too? Wow. I'm not happy about that. Are there any players from that era who think Russell was better?

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Interesting - I heard Gasper being interviewed and was asked if he would trade the #1 pick for the following:

Porzingious
Anthony- Townes
Westbrook
George
Butler.

The only one he said no to was Butler, but he said he'd choose the player over the pick for all the rest.

BTW- correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the C's have ANOTHER likely lottery pick in next year's draft?

If that is true then I think I'm more in favor of making the trade this year instead of Fultz. What is true of the Browns is true in a certain way to the C's. You can have TOO many draft picks, or be TOO young. This is especially true when you factor in the amount of time it takes these young kids to develop and mature into true impact players. Fultz might indeed be a future all star, but that is a MIGHT, and even if he is, what will the C's look like when it finally happens 2-3 years down the road.

I agree with Gasper's group of Townes, Westbrook and George (only if he extends). I would say no to Porzingous and Butler for that #1 pick. Now the question is, what young vet would pry you off of that #1 pick?

I think Porzingis would be a pretty good return for the #1 pick. Not an expert at all, but he seems pretty freakish with what he can do on the court as a 7 ft 3" guy. And he's only 22 at the start of next season.

 

[realtime]

What do they know?

West and Baylor I understand, but Cousy really said that too? Wow. I'm not happy about that. Are there any players from that era who think Russell was better?

Only one I know for sure is Bob Pettit. But I'm sure there are plenty of others. Worst case, Russell is on the shortest of short lists of names for the GOAT. And there is certainly a reasonable case that can be made for him as the greatest, regardless of what some contemporaries with fading memories may have thought.

 

[realtime]

I think Porzingis would be a pretty good return for the #1 pick. Not an expert at all, but he seems pretty freakish with what he can do on the court as a 7 ft 3" guy. And he's only 22 at the start of next season.

I would gladly make that trade. I'm definitely on the Fultz bandwagon, but Porzingis is a really talented and unique player. Seriously doubt the Knicks would make that deal, though.

 

[patfanken]

I'm not so sure. Porzingis has been there for 2 seasons now and even with Carmelo and other name players he hasn't been enough of an impact player to get them out of the extreme suck that is the Knicks.

Also Remember that like the Jets, the Knick sometimes are subject to doing things that put them 0n to the back pages of the media, rather that what's good for their team. Porzingis has had 2 years to be the "savior", clearly he wasn't. Having the #1 pick would keep the Knicks a major story for most of the next 2 months.

Now my question is, does Porzingis have the toughness to become a major defensive presence.

btw- I'd give the number #1 pick plus a player like JCrowder for Antony Davis

I would gladly make that trade. I'm definitely on the Fultz bandwagon, but Porzingis is a really talented and unique player. Seriously doubt the Knicks would make that deal, though.[/QUOTE

 

[Kdo5]

Interesting - I heard Gasper being interviewed and was asked if he would trade the #1 pick for the following:

Porzingious
Anthony- Townes
Westbrook
George
Butler.

The only one he said no to was Butler, but he said he'd choose the player over the pick for all the rest.

BTW- correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the C's have ANOTHER likely lottery pick in next year's draft?

If that is true then I think I'm more in favor of making the trade this year instead of Fultz. What is true of the Browns is true in a certain way to the C's. You can have TOO many draft picks, or be TOO young. This is especially true when you factor in the amount of time it takes these young kids to develop and mature into true impact players. Fultz might indeed be a future all star, but that is a MIGHT, and even if he is, what will the C's look like when it finally happens 2-3 years down the road.

I agree with Gasper's group of Townes, Westbrook and George (only if he extends). I would say no to Porzingous and Butler for that #1 pick. Now the question is, what young vet would pry you off of that #1 pick?

KAT? Definitely. Porzingous? Maybe.

No to Westbrook, Butler or PG given their ages.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jabaar played for 11 years before Magic was even in the league and won a championship with the freaking BUCKS!!

That Bucks team was pretty good. Had a good stretch for a while in the early 70s

 

[1960Pats]

Only one I know for sure is Bob Pettit. But I'm sure there are plenty of others. Worst case, Russell is on the shortest of short lists of names for the GOAT. And there is certainly a reasonable case that can be made for him as the greatest, regardless of what some contemporaries with fading memories may have thought.

What makes me choose Russell is his incredible record of success, which is unmatched in the history of all team sports.

Until his arrival the Celts had never won anything and after he left they didn't win again for 5 years. While he was a player and later a player coach, he led the Celts to 11 titles in 13 years, with his only misses being a loss in the NBA finals and a loss in the Eastern Division finals.

At every level he played he led his teams to championships, 2 in college and 1 in the Olympics in addition to his pro success. I'm sure you've heard the crazy stat about Russell playing in 24 all or nothing games in his career and winning all 24 of them.

And about this nonsense that Russell played against inferior competition, which makes zero sense because he played in a league that wasn't half as watered down as it is now. When he led the Celts to playoff wins it was against real teams with real centers, not the fluff they call playoff teams now. Right now there's a team in each conference that hasn't lost a playoff game yet.

As for Jordan, Larry Bird owned him most times they played each other, so unless I'm willing to put Bird ahead of Russell, which I'm not, then my opinion stands. Russell is the best.

 

[ALP]

Interesting - I heard Gasper being interviewed and was asked if he would trade the #1 pick for the following:

Porzingious
Anthony- Townes
Westbrook
George
Butler.

The only one he said no to was Butler, but he said he'd choose the player over the pick for all the rest.

BTW- correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the C's have ANOTHER likely lottery pick in next year's draft?

If that is true then I think I'm more in favor of making the trade this year instead of Fultz. What is true of the Browns is true in a certain way to the C's. You can have TOO many draft picks, or be TOO young. This is especially true when you factor in the amount of time it takes these young kids to develop and mature into true impact players. Fultz might indeed be a future all star, but that is a MIGHT, and even if he is, what will the C's look like when it finally happens 2-3 years down the road.

I agree with Gasper's group of Townes, Westbrook and George (only if he extends). I would say no to Porzingous and Butler for that #1 pick. Now the question is, what young vet would pry you off of that #1 pick?

i see it the opposite way, if we have top 5 picks in 3 straight years, you use them all and have a core of 3 superstars or above average players for years to come, they will all develop relatively same timeline, and will ideally be your 3 starters the 4th year after your first draft

 

[deroc5050]

Keep the pick.. Golden State and Cleveland own the NBA for the next 2-3 years. So why trade? Keep the kid develop him. In 3 years you might be able to contend for a title and if not you hopefully have the pieces in place. Lebron has at least 3 years left so no one in the East is taking him down.

Anthony Davis? I honestly don't know but everyone seems to get a hard on over him, so if we can get him with a trade I might be on board. But if Davis is so good his team sucks. 34 wins... if he is so good that would scare me a little. He must have no one else on his team.