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Will Any UDFA Players Make the Patriots' Hollister, Langi Good Candidates

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Will Any UDFA Players Make the Patriots' Hollister, Langi Good Candidates

Steve Balestrieri

Hollister was targeted 11 times in 2016 where the ball was 20 yards or more in the air. He caught seven of those for 189 yards and three touchdowns.

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I hope that at least one of Safeties David Jones & Demarius Travis can make the 53 as a backup/STer, replacing the bust (as predicted) Jordan Richards.

I would say WR Austin Carr has a chance, but there just might not be any room there. Same with TE Jacob Hollister.

OLman Cole Croston might have a chance as a backup LG. He has Zero chance as an OT.

I think LB Brooks Ellis has a chance. Jonny Freeny & Shea McClellin both suck and need to be replaced; not a fan of lil' Elandon Roberts either. Enter Harvey Langi (to replace Freeny), U of Maine alum Trevor Bates (to replace McClellin), and Ellis to replace Roberts.

CB DJ Killings has a chance to replace either Justin Coleman or Jonny Jones as the 5th/6th CB.

Finally, I think that OT Max Rich could make an excellent Swing Tackle, but with Garcia & McDermott ahead of him, I'm afraid that he might not be given that chance here.

Also forgot to mention that Josh Augusta, should he be willing to put in the effort, could replace both Hamilton & Kilgo as the 5th DT
 
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Jones, king, daniels, thomas, travis all have a shot. Hollister the te too.

Jones is bettee than harmon right now. Very confusing that they signed harmon to anything. Replaceable.

Guys like ebner and king whose sole position is special teams should be replaced by young guys who actually have a position.
 
Jones is bettee than harmon right now. Very confusing that they signed harmon to anything. Replaceable.

What did Harmon do to you?
 
I hope that at least one of Safeties David Jones & Demarius Travis can make the 53 as a backup/STer, replacing the bust (as predicted) Jordan Richards.

I would say WR Austin Carr has a chance, but there just might not be any room there. Same with TE Jacob Hollister.

OLman Cole Croston might have a chance as a backup LG. He has Zero chance as an OT.

I think LB Brooks Ellis has a chance. Jonny Freeny & Shea McClellin both suck and need to be replaced; not a fan of lil' Elandon Roberts either. Enter Harvey Langi (to replace Freeny), U of Maine alum Trevor Bates (to replace McClellin), and Ellis to replace Roberts.

CB DJ Killings has a chance to replace either Justin Coleman or Jonny Jones as the 5th/6th CB.

Finally, I think that OT Max Rich could make an excellent Swing Tackle, but with Garcia & McDermott ahead of him, I'm afraid that he might not be given that chance here.
If McClellin sucked as much as fans think he does then he wouldnt be on the team, his deal is pretty easy.
 
Lets see if he makes it through cuts in camp. If he doesn't improve on last year there is a not entirely unrealistic chance that he might end up cut.
I think you can say that for a lot of players, but yes.
 
If McClellin sucked as much as fans think he does then he wouldnt be on the team, his deal is pretty easy.

I came in to defend McClellan's role based on defensive snaps (I recall seeing much of him on the field in 2016). Instead, I found that McClellan player in fewer defensive snaps that Jamie Collins did. That is astounding, given that Collins was only on the team for 5 games.

So, instead I will agree. The Patirots rarely use 3 LB sets. Hightower is the primary 3 down linebacker. Van Noy, Roberts and Feeney all presumably have a role on the team, and Ninkovich will split time between EDGE and LB. With Langi and Ellis signed, McClellan's role seems tenuous, especially considering that his cap space could be used to extend Butler, Garoppolo, Flowers, Cooks, or any number of other more important players.
 
Hollister makes this team as TE#3, if all goes as planned.
 
McClellin was a bad sign (3/4M per, after a mediocre at best career with the Bears). It happens, at least he was able to contribute in some packages.

Linebackers is pratically the only position of the roster where there is some competition for some minutes on the field: outside of Hightower, no one is particularly good there
 
After they traded Collins, McClellin is the guy they chose to call the "leaping over the Center to block a FG" play for. I think that's pretty telling about his athleticism and the trust the coaching staff has in him.

But, okay, let's see how PS plays out. Competition will be tight, no doubt.
 
Jones, king, daniels, thomas, travis all have a shot. Hollister the te too.

Jones is bettee than harmon right now. Very confusing that they signed harmon to anything. Replaceable.

Guys like ebner and king whose sole position is special teams should be replaced by young guys who actually have a position.

Belichick and Ernie would also strongly disagree with most of what you just wrote.
 
Hollister makes this team as TE#3, if all goes as planned.

I'm not sure about that. IMO, BB would rather have his 3rd TE be an elite blocker. Hollister is a not that. On the other hand, his guaranteed salary speaks to how much they like him. Trying to remember if they have ever kept 4 TEs for any significant period of time.
 
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Jones is bettee than harmon right now. Very confusing that they signed harmon to anything. Replaceable.

One can argue about how much to pay him, but he's their center fielder, and they don't have another they can trust, at this time. As a matter of fact, if they keep Butler, you might want to get ready for an expanded role for Harmon this year, because BB/Patricia might be a bit more willing to gamble on the back end.
 
Jones is bettee than harmon right now. Very confusing that they signed harmon to anything. Replaceable.

Guys like ebner and king whose sole position is special teams should be replaced by young guys who actually have a position.

No wonder you are on my ignore list.. what a bunch of uninformed, laughable crap.. but good to see that you still don't realize the significance and importance of ST..
 
I came in to defend McClellan's role based on defensive snaps (I recall seeing much of him on the field in 2016). Instead, I found that McClellan player in fewer defensive snaps that Jamie Collins did. That is astounding, given that Collins was only on the team for 5 games.

So, instead I will agree. The Patirots rarely use 3 LB sets. Hightower is the primary 3 down linebacker. Van Noy, Roberts and Feeney all presumably have a role on the team, and Ninkovich will split time between EDGE and LB. With Langi and Ellis signed, McClellan's role seems tenuous, especially considering that his cap space could be used to extend Butler, Garoppolo, Flowers, Cooks, or any number of other more important players.

OTOH, McClellin also contributed a lot on special teams - way more than just attempting to block FGs. At 15.6 ST snaps per game active, McClellin was a regular on three of the four primary ST units. Freeny contributed less than 10 ST snaps per game active. Van Noy had about 8/GA. Roberts contributed a total of only 19 ST snaps all season.

In terms of snaps on defense, HT (obviously) had the highest count per game active at 55, although a not inconsiderable portion of those snaps involved HT dropping down to the LoS on the edge.

Van Noy was next at 35; McClellin had 27 LB snaps/GA.

Freeny was getting around 20 snaps/GA, and Roberts essentially took over those snaps after Freeny went to IR.

Cutting or trading McClellin after June 1st saves a net of $2.3M in cap space. Cutting trading Freeny saves a net of $1.3M.

My guess (at this very early stage) is that Freeny is the most vulnerable to competition from the likes of Langi and Ellis (or Trevor Bates). As unpopular as it will be to even say this, unless Roberts (a two-down run-stopper) significantly improves his coverage skills and/or becomes a regular special teams contributor on a couple of units (+/- 10 snaps per game), he may also be challenged for his roster spot. BTW, Ellis has been scouted as (at this point) a two-down run-stopper - essentially a less athletic version of Roberts - "at this point" because one or the other(or both, or neither) may have shown more by the end of OTAs and Camp.

Based on last season, the considerations from my perspective are ...
... If the Pats want to continue to be able to use HT on the LoS on the edge, then both LBs in a 2-LB set probably need to have pretty decent all-around game (both run-defense and coverage).
... The Pats have often relied on plugging Chung into an LB role in those 2-LB sets to provide better pass coverage. Chung also had the highest total snap count on the team in 2016 (1206 between defense and ST ... about 100 more than any other player). If the Pats want to reduce their situational reliance on Chung (and reduce his total snap count a bit).
... Grissom had the highest usage on ST in 2016 (23 snaps/GA), but contributed a total of only 11 snaps on defense. Mingo (now gone), was the 3rd-highest contributor on ST with 20 snaps/GA (and was 4th in ST tackles). So, if one or more of Langi, Ellis, Bates can replace those ST snaps as well as upgrade Freeny and/or Roberts, both of them and Grissom could be vulnerable.
 
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