Mike Felger !!

[Tony2046]

I think you touch on a very interesting philosophical argument: How does one evaluate a team's draft?

1) You should simply look at the total haul of rookies, irrespective of where the team was drafting, or how many picks they had

2) You should look at the total haul of rookies, but adjust for draft position and number of picks

3) You should look at everything they got for their draft picks, including veterans they traded for

If we are looking at the whole offseason, go with #3. But if we are looking simply at draft weekend, my opinion is somewhere between #1 and #2. If you want to ask who improved themselves the most this past weekend, you would have to look at the total rookie haul. BUT if you wanted to evaluate "how did my team do?" you should make a mental adjustment based on draft position and number of picks.

It's 3. You have currency (draft picks + Cap space) which is used to improve your team. If you overspend now you'll suffer later. If you conserve your currency now you may end up with an over depleted roster. The key is to balance the two regardless of how you spend.

 

[Richard Camembert]

Mike Felger is the ubertroll if he can stoke the fires of Bahrain...

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Re: your (1) and (2), I think it depends on for what purpose you are "evaluating".

If you are aiming to evaluate some sort of draft "skill" relative to the "skill" of other teams then you have lean towards your (2), at least for adjusting for position. After all, a team drafting #32, #96, etc. is highly likely to do worse in the draft on an absolute level than the team drafting #1, #33, etc. If you're just looking to see how a team improved itself on draft weekend in an absolute sense then your (1) is more applicable.

Though really, your (3) is the only one that ultimately matters.

 

[Nehalem]

It's 3. You have currency (draft picks + Cap space) which is used to improve your team. If you overspend now you'll suffer later. If you conserve your currency now you may end up with an over depleted roster. The key is to balance the two regardless of how you spend.

The correct answer is indeed 3. The problem is draft picks are more fun. You can imagine that even your 7th round TE will somehow turn out to be as good Gronk.

Remember when Jake Bequette was going to be a star?

Hard to do that for veteran trade acquisitions like Allen and that Irish dude BB got since they have a proven track record of not being Gronk in the NFL.

 

[Wax Frog]

Reasons to move to Bahrain:

1. Mike Felger doesn't live there...

 

[Wax Frog]

Sorry Reflexblue ,,i made a bo bo,,,,,

 

[chasa]

Mike Felger gets ratings by saying outlandish thing he knows people will be upset by, so they hate listen in order to call in and call him a moron.

He would say a superbowl winning season is a failure just because he knows it'll get him ratings

 

[Bill Lee]

Mike Felger is a pot stirrer, who says intentionally inflammatory things in order to drum up outrage and ratings. If you accept that about him, he can be fairly entertaining, but still an insufferable d-bag.

I think also the recent success of the team (2 out of 3 championships) has left him with little material to criticize them, so he's looking for takes that will make people react... well, just like you've reacted.

I would go with feces flinger, myself... Stirring the pot is what good cooks do. Flinging feces is what primates and people like Felger do. Felger should be called Flinger instead.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok,,,,as most of you all know,,i am from Bahrain,,,an Island Kingdom in the Middle East right next to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia . So being so far away from Boston i need to ask this question about Mike Felger ,,,,,,does he hate the Patriots and Bill Belichick ?
I cannot understand his rant nor why he gives the Pats a grade F for the Draft ??!!!
Am i missing something here ? He makes that idiot Tanguay look Great now !
Apologies for my ignorance of Boston media and their ways .
Sorry but i am confused why anyone would question BB ,,especially after just winning our Fifth Super Bowl.
Thankyou.

In the U.S., the Boston-NY-Philly region is filled with some of the most cynical, negative and verbally aggressive people on the planet. By failing in earlier attempts to succeed in the market, Felger learned that the way to get ratings in the region was to troll the listeners, because the people here feel rather than think. Everyone with even the smallest amount of intelligence knows that Felger is just talking **** in order to get listeners, but they can't control themselves. The homers knee jerk to defend. The haters knee jerk to attack.

Felger and Mazz profits with the #1 radio show, Marconi awards and shiny new contracts.

 

[Sicilian]

I would go with feces flinger, myself... Stirring the pot is what good cooks do. Flinging feces is what primates and people like Felger do. Felger should be called Flinger instead.

As much as I dislike his tactics (and the fact that they work), I don't think you're giving him enough credit for what he does. Deplorable though it may be, he is more effective at it than even Mazz is, and just look at Tanguay for an example of a guy who thought it would be EASY to do it, and just came across as an uninformed jerk.

Call Felger many things, but uninformed is not one of them, and people say his show prep is actually pretty involved.

What would make for better radio to me personally (not sure about overall ratings), would be to put someone opposite him who is equally informed, prepared, and effective, but from the positive side. Let the two clash in clever ways. As it is, you have Felger being a clever troll and Mazz being some kind of negativity goblin. Doesn't make for compelling debates.

 

[BobDigital]

Not to hijack the thread, but the value considerations needs to include the alternatives available, in this instance draft pick vs. UDFA. In this example, the question should be is Garcia plus UDFA OTs plus UDFA CBs greater than Tankersley plus Davenport. I guessing that BB thought the marginal value between Garcia (short term developmental project) and Davenport (long term developmental project) was greater than the marginal value between Davenport and the UDFAs. Same with the DBs and LBs. So the question boils down to draft one better player or several equal players who could be obtained after the draft.

This is true. You need to add in everything and there is no clear equation to do it. They probably passed on try to get a guy like Tedric Thompson cause they thought the UDFA safeties they could get would be good value for instance. I understand the reasoning of not picking a safety that being the case. Also to your second point I am generally a believe in get the best single player then worry about the rest later so I overall would generally argue taking the single guy in most cases. I just think that would be an interesting discussion to have in this case.

Have you seen the Patriots' roster? I'm not sure where they put all of these extras. I don't know that they'll be able to keep the four picks they made!

They could have fit 5 players on as opposed to 4 I am sure. Also I am not saying it was a bad move. I was saying if you want to intelligently question a move they made then that would be the one I would pick. They IMO had 2 high value options in front of them (a player who fell at a premium position or 2 potentially good players) and decided on the single player. That is not automatically the wrong or right move. Just if we want to really debate something about that draft that would be a good point to debate.

Also Wise is a good one to debate. I know they like him but I am not convinced he was close to BPA at the time. Not that it is bad value to pick him. Just not overly good value.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As much as I dislike his tactics (and the fact that they work), I don't think you're giving him enough credit for what he does. Deplorable though it may be, he is more effective at it than even Mazz is, and just look at Tanguay for an example of a guy who thought it would be EASY to do it, and just came across as an uninformed jerk.

Call Felger many things, but uninformed is not one of them, and people say his show prep is actually pretty involved.

What would make for better radio to me personally (not sure about overall ratings), would be to put someone opposite him who is equally informed, prepared, and effective, but from the positive side. Let the two clash in clever ways. As it is, you have Felger being a clever troll and Mazz being some kind of negativity goblin. Doesn't make for compelling debates.

Mazz needs to go- period. His baseball knowledge is outstanding and I actually agree with almost everything he says but for hockey, football and hoops he is brutal.

...and that voice. That goddamn voice!

 

[Deus Irae]

Mazz needs to go- period. His baseball knowledge is outstanding and I actually agree with almost everything he says but for hockey, football and hoops he is brutal.

...and that voice. That goddamn voice!

• Mazz knows baseball
• Felger knows hockey
• Neither knows basketball or football
• The show's still #1 in what's supposed to be a market flush with smart consumers.

 

[RobertWeathers]

• Mazz knows baseball
• Felger knows hockey
• Neither knows basketball or football
• The show's still #1 in what's supposed to be a market flush with smart consumers.

The football and hoops discussions are unlistenable.

 

[shmessy]

Ok,,,,as most of you all know,,i am from Bahrain,,,an Island Kingdom in the Middle East right next to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia . So being so far away from Boston i need to ask this question about Mike Felger ,,,,,,does he hate the Patriots and Bill Belichick ?
I cannot understand his rant nor why he gives the Pats a grade F for the Draft ??!!!
Am i missing something here ? He makes that idiot Tanguay look Great now !
Apologies for my ignorance of Boston media and their ways .
Sorry but i am confused why anyone would question BB ,,especially after just winning our Fifth Super Bowl.
Thankyou.

Abdul, in America in the year 2017 there is only one way for ambitious people to "get ahead". It is to troll and be as wild in their trolling as possible.

Look at the most famous people in America today, from the once-forgotten 1976 Olympic Decathalon Gold Medal winner, to the daughters of one of OJ Simpson's close friends from the 1990's to the talking heads on ESPN and Fox Sports who get the biggest ratings, to the President of the United States.

It simply doesn't matter what one does or says, all that counts is to do things that will get you talked about. The only thing that counts today for ambitious people is to own a magnet that forces peoples eyeballs to look your way no matter what.

Felger is just practicing that.

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[Kdo5]

The F&M basketball coverage has been dreadful. It's obvious that neither consistently watches the Celtics until the playoffs. Tack on Jim Murray and even the producer Jimmy Stewart who just yesterday declared Isaiah Thomas is still just a B player having a great year.

Obviously they try to needle Celtics fans like they would any other team but their points have just been lazy and lame.

Seriously if you think they are bad talking about football (especially Mazz & Murray), listen to their discussions about the Celtics.

 

[Nunchucks]

If a team can get 1-2 impact players and build depth from the draft, then it is pretty successful. I really like their first two picks and I think the Patriots have for the most part good depth (still need another LB). Lets see how it works out.

 

[Ivan]

Can't help but to agree with Felger, Belichick has done a terrible job this offseason, it's going to be very disappointing when they win another Super Bowl next year. They could have Aaron Dobson and they are stuck with Brandin Cooks, terrible mismanagement.

 

[fnordcircle]

In 1997 when we got picks from the Jets for Parcells there was a usenet troll who kept saying "Curtis Martin is our #1 pick" and it drove me crazy then. ****ing Bob Jensen. A true master.

So it's kind of nails on chalkboard to see the Pats doing the same thing, but that's just on twitter and is about keeping fan interest going, etc.

At the same time, I think you grade the Patriots on what they did with all their picks not just the players they selected. And in both instances I'm very happy. The F grade is just to trigger you.

 

[fnordcircle]

Can't help but to agree with Felger, Belichick has done a terrible job this offseason, it's going to be very disappointing when they win another Super Bowl next year. They could have Aaron Dobson and they are stuck with Brandin Cooks, terrible mismanagement.

Now that's what I call satire!