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McCaffrey at 15 is absolutely not a reach. And 15 is his floor. Don't be surprised if he goes to Carolina at 8 - there's been a lot of rumours as to that. Also, Mahomes is 99.99 % going in round one.

I just really don't like the prospect. I think anywhere in the first round is an over draft. He is not Marshall Faulk he is Reggie Bush and that is not a first round kind of player. I just don't see why anyone else thinks he is.
 
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In terms of player quality this sounds right; but in terms of what's been being said it's surprising.
 


In terms of player quality this sounds right; but in terms of what's been being said it's surprising.


Late first? Someone is apparently projecting a couple of trade ups back into the first. After CLE at #12 and ARZ at #13, it seems to me that only HOU at #25 and KC at #27 might be interested in a QB out of this bunch
 
Every single year QBs shoot up. It's just a given. I said months ago trubisky was a top 20 pick. Now he might go number 1
 
Every single year QBs shoot up. It's just a given. I said months ago trubisky was a top 20 pick. Now he might go number 1

Desperation always makes the the number of QBs drafted in the first round an interesting prediction.

Median prospects taken by position over the past six drafts:

QB = 3
OL = 7 (possibly 2-3 fewer this year)
WR = 4 (possibly 1-2 fewer this year)
RB = 1 (possibly 1-2 more this year)
TE = 0 (likely to be at least one this year)

DE = 5
DT = 4 (possibly 1-2 fewer)
LB = 3 (possibly 1-2 more)
CB = 4 (possibly 1 more)
SF = 2 (possibly 1 more)

There may be a tendency to think that, when fewer prospects than "normal" at a particular position are taken in the first, that there's a compensating increase in rounds 2 and 3. There's actually very little correlation.

There may be a stronger correlation with the general perception of the strength/weakness of the class at a particular position in determining the number of picks per position in the 2nd and 3rd, possibly modified (up or down) by the number of teams that feel a strong need at a particular position.

For example, if there's a relatively large number of teams who are desperate to upgrade their sucky OL, they may offset the perception of a weak OL class and generate a run of 2nd/3rd round "reaches" that either don't pan out or are surprisingly successful.

Conversely, if the majority of teams are comfortable with their #1/#2 RBs, even presented with a reputedly "strong" RB class, they may wait until Day-3 to reap value, while focusing on other positions for days 1 and 2.

Of course, the accuracy of the pre-draft perception of the "strength" of a class at a particular position can't really be known until 2-3 years down the road. I don't think any analysts actually track that, though. Could be embarrassing, I suppose.

Median number (and range) of prospects taken by position in rounds 2 + 3:

QB = 2.5 (range = 2-3)
OL = 11 (6-13)
WR = 8 (5-10)
RB = 7 (3-8)
TE = 4 (3-6)

DE = 6 (4-10)
DT = 8 (4-10)
LB = 8 (6-11)
CB = 10 (3-11)
SF = 3 (3-7)

Median totals off the board (and ranges) in the first three rounds by position:

QB = 5.5 (3-7)
OL = 17 (13-22)
WR = 12 (9-15)
RB = 8 (4-8)
TE = 4 (3-7)

DE = 10 (8-14)
DT = 11 (6-14)
LB = 12 (9-12)
CB = 14 (8-15)
SF = 6 (3-10)

BTW, if a median is significantly closer to one end of its given range than the other, it probably means that the extreme other end of the range was an outlier (bolded).
 
Trubisky at 1, Watson at 4?



This is why you draft QBs even when you already have a starter.
 
If the Pats are smart, some time during day one, they should release a photo of BB in the draft room with his feet up on a desk either taking a nap or looking bored and yawning.
 
ugh

Texas A&M's Daeshon Hall will surprise: While Myles Garrett has been all over the draft coverage since day one, there hasn't been much talk about his teammate being a hot name. I'm hearing that, despite a belief in the media that he would go in Round 3 or 4, Hall is actually being targeted within the first two rounds and might end up inside the top 40.

2017 NFL Draft: 10 believable things amid so much speculation
 
ugh

Texas A&M's Daeshon Hall will surprise: While Myles Garrett has been all over the draft coverage since day one, there hasn't been much talk about his teammate being a hot name. I'm hearing that, despite a belief in the media that he would go in Round 3 or 4, Hall is actually being targeted within the first two rounds and might end up inside the top 40.

2017 NFL Draft: 10 believable things amid so much speculation

Look at his size and testing numbers. As I mentioned the other day in a discussion about his teammate, Garrett, traits >>> tape for pass rushers, at least in terms of how the NFL values body types and measurables. Just as a fun exercise:

Tell me who is who with the following six profiles. One was a top 5 pick, another top 10, another top 15, another 1st overall, another top 25, and the other one is still to be determined:


Height 6052
Weight 271 lbs
Arm Length 35⅛"
Hand Size 10¼"
40 Yard Dash 4.63s
Vertical Jump 34½"
Broad Jump 118"
3-Cone Drill 7.11s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.26s

4.5 college sacks


Height 6053
Weight 266 lbs
Arm Length 35⅝"
Hand Size 9⅝"
40 Yard Dash 4.76s
Vertical Jump 36"
Broad Jump 123"
3-Cone Drill 7.03s1
20 Yard Shuttle 4.38s

14 college sacks


Height 6052
Weight 266 lbs
Arm Length 34½"
Hand Size 10" 58
40 Yard Dash 4.53s
Vertical Jump 37½"
Broad Jump 124"
3-Cone Drill 7.27s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.43s

24 college sacks


Height 6050
Weight 270 lbs
Arm Length 34¾"
Hand Size 10⅜"
40 Yard Dash 4.78s
Vertical Jump 30½"
Broad Jump 115"
3-Cone Drill 7.18s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.67s

6.5 college sacks


Height 6053
Weight 266 lbs
Arm Length 35½"
Hand Size 9¾"
40 Yard Dash 4.87s
Vertical Jump 35"
Broad Jump 120"
3-Cone Drill 7.07s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.38s

10 college sacks


Height 6042
Weight 263 lbs
Arm Length 35⅜"
Hand Size 9¾"
40 Yard Dash 4.74s
Vertical Jump 34"
Broad Jump 118"
3-Cone Drill 7.19
20 Yard Shuttle 4.5s

14.5 college sacks
 
Look at his size and testing numbers. As I mentioned the other day in a discussion about his teammate, Garrett, traits >>> tape for pass rushers, at least in terms of how the NFL values body types and measurables. Just as a fun exercise:

Tell me who is who with the following six profiles. One was a top 5 pick, another top 10, another top 15, another 1st overall, another top 25, and the other one is still to be determined:


Height 6052
Weight 271 lbs
Arm Length 35⅛"
Hand Size 10¼"
40 Yard Dash 4.63s
Vertical Jump 34½"
Broad Jump 118"
3-Cone Drill 7.11s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.26s

4.5 college sacks


Height 6053
Weight 266 lbs
Arm Length 35⅝"
Hand Size 9⅝"
40 Yard Dash 4.76s
Vertical Jump 36"
Broad Jump 123"
3-Cone Drill 7.03s1
20 Yard Shuttle 4.38s

14 college sacks


Height 6052
Weight 266 lbs
Arm Length 34½"
Hand Size 10" 58
40 Yard Dash 4.53s
Vertical Jump 37½"
Broad Jump 124"
3-Cone Drill 7.27s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.43s

24 college sacks


Height 6050
Weight 270 lbs
Arm Length 34¾"
Hand Size 10⅜"
40 Yard Dash 4.78s
Vertical Jump 30½"
Broad Jump 115"
3-Cone Drill 7.18s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.67s

6.5 college sacks


Height 6053
Weight 266 lbs
Arm Length 35½"
Hand Size 9¾"
40 Yard Dash 4.87s
Vertical Jump 35"
Broad Jump 120"
3-Cone Drill 7.07s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.38s

10 college sacks


Height 6042
Weight 263 lbs
Arm Length 35⅜"
Hand Size 9¾"
40 Yard Dash 4.74s
Vertical Jump 34"
Broad Jump 118"
3-Cone Drill 7.19
20 Yard Shuttle 4.5s

14.5 college sacks

Well Hall's traits are why I like him for the Pats. I'm saying "ugh" because I'm worried that he won't be there for the Pats and because I think other pass rushers I like like Basham will also be gone by 72. Hall was my backstop if others went off the board. I don't like the backstop not being there.
 
3 = Clowney

5 = Chandler Jones

That's off the top of my head. Not sure bout the others although I might get there with some effort.
 
Well Hall's traits are why I like him for the Pats. I'm saying "ugh" because I'm worried that he won't be there for the Pats and because I think other pass rushers I like like Basham will also be gone by 72. Hall was my backstop if others went off the board. I don't like the backstop not being there.

Oh, I hear you. I was just trying to provide some historical context for low-producing, high-measurable players going much higher in the draft than expected. On the flip side, let me introduce you to a guy we probably should have taken instead of Jordan Richards, but his lack of production scared me off:


Height 6051
Weight 252 lbs
Arm Length 34¼"
Hand Size 10½"
40 Yard Dash 4.57s
Vertical Jump 36½"
Broad Jump 130"
3-Cone Drill 6.95s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.47s

4.5 college sacks


He lasted until pick 88, so there's precedence for a player to slide (and then produce).
 
Oh, I hear you. I was just trying to provide some historical context for low-producing, high-measurable players going much higher in the draft than expected. On the flip side, let me introduce you to a guy we probably should have taken instead of Jordan Richards, but his lack of production scared me off:


Height 6051
Weight 252 lbs
Arm Length 34¼"
Hand Size 10½"
40 Yard Dash 4.57s
Vertical Jump 36½"
Broad Jump 130"
3-Cone Drill 6.95s
20 Yard Shuttle 4.47s

4.5 college sacks


He lasted until pick 88, so there's precedence for a player to slide (and then produce).

Well according to Lombardi, the target was Mitch Morse so I don't know if they'd have been in on Danielle Hunter anyway in the 2nd round. Yes I looked it up.
 
Well according to Lombardi, the target was Mitch Morse so I don't know if they'd have been in on Danielle Hunter anyway in the 2nd round. Yes I looked it up.

That would make a lot of sense. He was very athletic and has been a solid starter.

Hunter was a guy that I went back and forth on for weeks, and eventually decided against because I was worried about his relatively slender frame and lack of production. I was nervous that he would be another Mingo. Instead, he's bulked up nicely and produced the most or second most sacks of anyone from that class. Good player in a rotation there.
 
That would make a lot of sense. He was very athletic and has been a solid starter.

Hunter was a guy that I went back and forth on for weeks, and eventually decided against because I was worried about his relatively slender frame and lack of production. I was nervous that he would be another Mingo. Instead, he's bulked up nicely and produced the most or second most sacks of anyone from that class. Good player in a rotation there.

Mayo was really into Hunter in a big way. Sad to say, I was an Odigizuwa man. We did get Trey though so it's not like we missed out.
 
Eric Galko has his final 'what I'm hearing' post up:

Among picks in my final mock draft, I’m most confident in Solomon Thomasto the Bears at No. 3, Malik Hooker to the Chargers at No. 7 (though the Jets like him, as well), Marlon Humphrey to the Saints at No. 11, Cam Robinson to the Ravens at No. 16, Derek Barnett to the Redskins at No. 17 (unless Charles Harris is there), Dalvin Cook to the Bucs at No. 19 (or if they move down a few spots), and Adoree' Jackson to the Cowboys at No. 28.

Unless he goes to the Bucs or Seahawks, it seems doubtful that draft riser Obi Melifonwu goes in Round 1. I also couldn’t find a first-round home for one of my favorite prospects, Houston’s Tyus Bowser, but plenty of teams still have high interest.

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Browns take Garrett #1 then trade #12, #52, #65 and a 2018 3rd to Chicago for #3 overall and take Risky Trubisky there.

Bears turn around and trade #12, #52 and a 2018 3rd to the Pats for hometown guy Jimmy G. :)

We end up with the exact same picks some of us predicted/hoped for, for Jimmy G. Jimmy G gets to start for his hometown team. Garrett turns out to be solid but not spectacular and Trubisky turns into another in a long line of underwhelming reaches by the Browns. The Browns continue being the Browns And oh yes, the Jets still suck:D
 
Browns take Garrett #1 then trade #12, #52, #65 and a 2018 3rd to Chicago for #3 overall and take Risky Trubisky there.

Bears turn around and trade #12, #52 and a 2018 3rd to the Pats for hometown guy Jimmy G. :)

We end up with the exact same picks some of us predicted/hoped for, for Jimmy G. Jimmy G gets to start for his hometown team. Garrett turns out to be solid but not spectacular and Trubisky turns into another in a long line of underwhelming reaches by the Browns. The Browns continue being the Browns And oh yes, the Jets still suck:D

I just wonder, if they get blown out at QB, whether the Texans might try something on Jimmy G. Not sure I'd like us to trade him there or what we might get but they were fans of JG in '14.
 


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