Brady's last year as a Patriot?

[cupofjoe1962]

2017-2018 will not be his last season as a Patriot. Even experts give him 2 more.

Who are the experts?

 

[archstanton543]

Before everyone throws stones at me, consider....

* Apparently, BB has decided to keep his backup QB and NOT trade him for what would be a huge amounts of picks, meaning he truly, truly values JG.

* After this season, no matter what happens, JG will be a free agent and if BB let's him walk, it means he got a season of having a quality backup QB who rarely played (likely scenario) and that would be it. Unless...

* He either gives JG the franchise tag or signs him to a new long term deal which of course would only happen if JG thought he was going to be the NE QB the following season; otherwise, JG would never sign a long term deal.

* So, let's consider the possibility that JG is given the franchise tag for a season. That means paying him more than Tom Brady and committing HUGE bucks to the QB position. Does anyone in his right mind think that's going to happen? Of course not.

* So keeping JG comes down to this: choosing between Tom Brady and JG. After this season, you can't have both. And you've (BB) already turned your back on multiple draft picks to keep JG so logically doesn't it make sense to keep the guy who's younger?

* As crazy as it seems, keeping JG this season reveals what's likely to happen the following season: Belichick keeping JG long term, making him the starter, and moving on from Tom Brady. I'm just not sure how it plays out any other way. What would a franchise give up for a 40 year old QB -- even one as good as Tom Brady? You might get a late 1st on a contending team.

* Tom Brady clearly wants to play 5 more seasons. Sticking with JG this year is a HUGE clue that that isn't likely to happen. Some will surely be very angry with BB. But does anyone doubt Belichick's fearlessness when it comes to doing what he thinks is best for the franchise? Bottom line here: enjoy this season. Hopefully it ends in another Super Bowl victory because Brady's last season as a Patriot could be this one.

I know weed is legal in MA now so I have to ask. Are you high right now?

 

[Clonamery]

Who are the experts?

AARP.

 

[Ian]

This is an open Board. People are free to post whatever they want as long as it is done in a civil, non-disruptive manner and does not contain what would generally be regarded as offensive material or images.

My problem with the endless Brady-Garoppolo speculation is that in the dozens of threads and thousands of posts that have been dedicated to the topic, there hasn't been a single new idea since February.

Also, there has been no new information, unless we count as "information" what is basically wild-ass speculation by Florio, Reiss, Schefter et al. about what is completely unknowable since it exists solely in the head of Bill Belichick.

@Ian, maybe it's time to create a "Brady-Garoppolo Scenarios" Forum. That way, people who want to post about what would charitably be described as a "well-discussed" topic can do so and those who don't want to hear another word on the topic until something actually happens can co-exist in a peaceful manner.

This is nothing. Wait until Brady struggles in a preseason game and Garoppolo goes out and fires 4 touchdowns against second and third stringers. I'm sure the mods and I will be ripping our hair out when people start freaking out.

 

[PatsDeb]

Who are the experts?

Us, of course! I call BS.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I'll throw in a couple of points to my original post. Of course, JG would sign the franchise tag and be here an extra year if that's what NE forced him to do. But if they do that, it means Brady is gone because BB WILL NOT spend 40 million plus on the QB position. That would be insane. It would cripple his ability to field the rest of the team.

Well, that's exactly what they'll be doing if they cut or trade Brady after the 2017 season. He has a very large cap hit (around $15 mil, IIRC) even if cut or traded.

To me, that above all is the indicator JG will be gone. By extending Brady's contract (which originally ended at the end of 2017) they intentionally or not made it really, really hard to switch away from Brady before 2019.

 

[PatriotDynasty99]

OK, disagree with me if you want. But here's the bottom line. AFTER this season, either Tom Brady or JG will NOT be on this team. BB is not paying two QBs starter money and eating up his cap.

So who goes? Most of you must think it's JG just because Tom Brady is Tom Brady. I don't think BB is thinking that way at all. I would think if BB knew JG was leaving after this year, he'd take the haul that Cleveland is offering -- whatever the details, it would be a lot because they have a lot to offer and they want him very badly.

We'll see how it shakes out. And if I'm right? What do I win for seeing the clues BB is leaving in his trail?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Brady's last season as a Patriot could be this one.

Sure, if he gets hit by a bus next April...

 

[Tony2046]

Every couple years Patsfans gets an infestation of posters eager to rid the team of TFB, 2009/10, 2014. Thankfully BB is not a moron.
Threads like this almost make me yearn for the deflated footballs threads. Almost.

But you don't understand. This year is different. BB said "seemless". 40 year old bones don't heal as fast as a 38 year old's. Brady could get hit just like JG and Brissett when they got hurt which was different because they were younger and can heal faster than the 40 year old that didn't get hurt.

And JG is probably the next "Great" Aaron Rodgers or Steve Young who both won one Super Bowl each because they were younger and didn't get hurt except when they did but they healed faster except for Young who retired but he only retired because he was healed and didn't want to get hurt again.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

This is nothing. Wait until Brady struggles in a preseason game and Garoppolo goes out and fires 4 touchdowns against second and third stringers. I'm sure the mods and I will be ripping our hair out when people start freaking out.

Fortunately, we are not the 49ers.

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady's last year as a Patriot?

 

[PatsFanSince74]

This is nothing. Wait until Brady struggles in a preseason game and Garoppolo goes out and fires 4 touchdowns against second and third stringers. I'm sure the mods and I will be ripping our hair out when people start freaking out.

Well, Ian, it's the mark of all great managers that they know their customers...you clearly know yours!!!

I can see the threads now:

"Where are all the people who said we should trade Jimmy G?"
"Should we extend Garoppolo now or wait until the Offseason?"
"Cap Hit if we cut Brady today? I say we bite the bullet."
"Let's face it, 40 is too old for an NFL QB!"
"Should we look for a backup to JG or is Brissett ready to fill the role?"

And that would just be in the first hour.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What if Cleveland decided to trade #1 for a later first rounder and other picks, are there teams that couldn't pass on a supposed NFL talent like Myles Garrett and offer a good deal?

GMF made a good point on the economic value of a 1st round QB as Winston or a Mariota are locked in for 5 years at $10 million less a year than Glennon or Osweiler.

IMO don't waste a #12 on a QB Cleveland because you still get a cheaper one in the mid-twenties.

Then they should consider trading down, if they believe they can acquire a desired quarterback in the fairly near future. Consider, though, that the ability to trade for/draft a quarterback you really want is a very rare scenario, whereas stocking up on draft picks is a much easier task.

In addition, I don't think the value will be there to trade down, as most teams realize what the Browns are just starting to realize: if there is no "must draft" quarterback, be very cautious in giving up multiple picks for #1. Both the Texans (Clowney) and the Chiefs (Fischer) badly wanted to trade down and found the market to be shockingly dry. This class has also been described as deep and not top-heavy.

 

[fnordcircle]

Brady is really ruining his legacy with the armchair GM crowd. Shame.

 

[oldrover]

OK, disagree with me if you want. But here's the bottom line. AFTER this season, either Tom Brady or JG will NOT be on this team. ---

---We'll see how it shakes out. And if I'm right? What do I win for seeing the clues BB is leaving in his trail?

You win an alarm clock...



..slightly used.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

OK, disagree with me if you want. But here's the bottom line. AFTER this season, either Tom Brady or JG will NOT be on this team. BB is not paying two QBs starter money and eating up his cap.

In your enthusiasm to get rid of the GOAT, did you read QM's post preceding yours? Cut or trade Brady in 2018 blows up the Pats cap space paying CAP money for 2 franchise QBs in 2018 even if only one is on the team.
Therefore, you have just refuted your own premise.
Love a guy who not only argues against himself, but loses! Epic!

So who goes? Most of you must think it's JG just because Tom Brady is Tom Brady. I don't think BB is thinking that way at all. I would think if BB knew JG was leaving after this year, he'd take the haul that Cleveland is offering -- whatever the details, it would be a lot because they have a lot to offer and they want him very badly.

We'll see how it shakes out. And if I'm right? What do I win for seeing the clues BB is leaving in his trail?

What is the haul that Cleveland is offering? You seem to regard rumors as fact. They are most often not.

 

[fnordcircle]

You seem to regard rumors as fact. They are most often not.

I have sources who say this is true.

 

[Rob0729]

So you think Brady will retire after this season ?

No, but if Garoppolo is on this team in 2018 I expect Brady to be playing elsewhere.

 

[Rob0729]

IMHO, this depends on future circumstances. The most likely scenario next year is that Brady plays the full year at a top level, and in this case one could argue that we would have been better off trading Garoppolo.

However, there is another scenario (hopefully very unlikely) where Brady suffers an injury that puts him out for a good part of the season. With the Patriots loaded for bear for another Super Bowl this year, in that case I would argue that keeping Garoppolo was the right move. Even if the Patriots Super Bowl chances go down somewhat with Brady's injury, IMHO we would still have a decent chance (certainly better than most teams) at another ring.

Insurance always seems too expensive until you need it.

You don't decide to make or not make trades for first round picks based on what if the starting QB gets hurt. What if Brady goes down for six games, teams figure out Garoppolo and he sucks when the Pats could have gotten the 12th pick in the draft and a couple second day picks in 2018?

Sorry, but Brady has never missed a meaningful game other than when he tore his ACL. I am not keeping Garoppolo if the Browns are offering the #12 overall for a what if.

 

[fnordcircle]

I wish Tom Brady would just die.