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What do you want the Pats to do with Butler?


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The Patriots should hold on to Butler. Butler is better than any draft pick they
obtain by trading him. The Patriots are almost in the same situation as last year:
they start the draft with the 72nd pick instead of the 60th pick. They did all right last year when Thuney, Brissett, Valentine, Mitchell, and Roberts all contributed. This
year's draft is strong at the positions where they need help: running back, tight end,
cornerback, and defensive end. Just pick the best player available.
 
I voted sign him LT for now, maybe 4/38 or something, but I wouldn't mind him playing under the RFA tender and then trying to sign him after that. I think NO couldn't sign him due to him not signing the tender, and now he has to go to NE to talk to them about what he can get from NO and either signs LT with NE, gets traded to NO for #32, or, if BB won't do that, signs the tender then signs an offer sheet from NO. NO is kinda vulnerable here IMO because NE can hold them up for #11 and therefore NO has to offer Butler a little less.
 
Bb can't hold them up for #11, because there's no way new Orleans would be stupid enough to trade that for butler even if he playing for vet min.
 
The Patriots should hold on to Butler. Butler is better than any draft pick they
obtain by trading him. The Patriots are almost in the same situation as last year:
they start the draft with the 72nd pick instead of the 60th pick. They did all right last year when Thuney, Brissett, Valentine, Mitchell, and Roberts all contributed. This
year's draft is strong at the positions where they need help: running back, tight end,
cornerback, and defensive end. Just pick the best player available.

The Pats are no fools about draft value but I think that they also understand that draft value and cap value are important (sometimes they even end up at odds, but not directly).

So sometimes they end up parting ways with expensive players, getting the best draft value possible, and living with it if the necessary cap move comes along with bad draft value. (Gotta lose him, well, get something...)

I'm sure that's all teams, really. Anyhoo, I am sure that somebody has brought up the possibility that there's a connection b/w our latest Brand(o/I/e)n deal and any ongoing deal at the Malco(l)m position.

You can't win super bowls today without the right balance of Malco(l)ms and Brand(o/I/e)ns.
 
I want Butler to stay 1 more year...get us #6 with Gilmore and get paid
 
I don't know has this guy ever been seen again?


Yup! But this time narrating our SB 51 Win over Falcons.

 
My position on this topic has evlolved a great deal over the last week. I am now firmly in the camp of having Butler come back for this season and allow him to go to UFA next year. In a strict football sense I think it would be the best use of our assets for this season for the following reasons.

1. The biggest question mark for next season will be our DE's and edge rushers. Until proven otherwise, we have regressed when we lost Sheard and Long. Ealy may have all the measurables, but hasn't shown it with any consistency on the field. He may be another great pick up who benefits from the coaching, system and environment, BUT that can't be counted on until it happens.

2. So given that, plus the lack of draft picks (without a JG trade) we really need the back end not just to be good, but to be great. A Butler and Gilmore combo has the chance to be great.... in fact better than the Revis/Browner combo in 2014.

3. I'm confident that between Jones, Jones, and Coleman, we will have good depth and a decent 3rd CB when we need it. However if Butler leaves, that would thrust CJones into his role. Based on his physical skills we have no reason to believe he wouldn't fill it at least to a Logan Ryan (2015 version) level. We'd be OK, but not as deep or experienced. It also would be an obvious question mark going into the season.

By keeping Butler we would have the luxury of giving our very young CB's the time to develop one more year and either remove any questions about their being able to replace Butler, or if they can't, a chance to react to the need.. Historically the best current CB's in the league didn't have great rookie years. Patrick Peterson for example was considered a bust after his first year. Richard Sherman and the entire Seattle secondary took time to gel. So even if we draft a CB with the potential to be a starter, it's not going to happen THIS season.

So not only would the team be better WITH Butler next season, it would also be better prepared to go on without him IF he leaves in 2018.

4. I think Butler is easily a top 10 CB in the league, and if you put him in the top 6 I wouldn't bother to argue. But even though he played at that level last season, I have to recognize his limitations in covering big receivers.

Butler is a CLASSIC over acheiver, much like Brady. But unlike Brady he plays a position where athletic excellence is paramount to success, even moreso when you have the physical limitations Butler has to deal with. We saw last season what happened to Revis as his skills eroded (for whatever reasons). There was a marked decline in his play....and he was the best of his era.

The way Butler plays the game so damned hard, the same thing that makes us love him is going to be the thing that, I feel, will shorten his career. He's already 27, so his prime is only going to be 2-3 more years IF he remains healthy. So I'd be happy to get one of those prime years at a reasonable price, and could understand why the Pats might be loathe to pay top dollar in a LT contract for years that he might be in a decline back to being just a decent slot CB kind of guy.

I think that looming drop off is keeping the Pats from going the distance with him. It's not what they think is coming in the next couple of seasons, but beyond that. It wouldn't take much of a decline to lower his value, since his game is so reliant on his physicalness and fury. In other words, what kind of player is he going to be when he gets paid and that chip drops off his shoulder.

5. Another reason to keep him, is the fact that it is very unlikely that any plaer we get at #32 is going to have much of an impact on THIS particular season, even though be would probably be very important going forward. For that reason we really need to move JG for a package pluse the #12, because in THAT range we could find an immediate impact kind fo player..
 
I prefer they keep him on the RFA tag and let him go next year and increase their chances for a 3rd round comp pick. Would give the Pats their best secondary in forever and they've had some good ones of late. (was never a huge fan of Browner as it seemed he was called for at least one crucial hold on 3rd down every game - he did well in the Super Bowl though)
 
Don't see why the Pats should trade Butler if the goal is to win another SB next year. Pick 32 or 43 is not going to help much. Brady is 40, keep Butler go for 6 next year..team would be vast improved over this year.
 
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Patriots is better WITH Butler than without him...

Not convinced Coleman or Cyrus can be good slot corner.
 
I think Butler should fire his agent. Get a decent one and sign an extension with the Pats for 4 or 5 year deal. He should be able to hit the open market again for another big contract.

That's my preference but he ain't getting 15/16m or probably not even Gilmore type money.
 
Another reason to keep him, is the fact that it is very unlikely that any plaer we get at #32 is going to have much of an impact on THIS particular season

Let me introduce you to two players drafted even later that contributed significantly this year: Thuney and Mitchell.

Point is you dont know what happens if we have a 32. The player picked there could be a bust, a contributor or even a superstar.
 
I think Butler should fire his agent. Get a decent one and sign an extension with the Pats for 4 or 5 year deal. He should be able to hit the open market again for another big contract.

That's my preference but he ain't getting 15/16m or probably not even Gilmore type money.

He won't hit the market in his prime anymore. The upcoming contract is his one big chance moatly because his agent screwed up last years extension. If he had signed one last year there is a good chance it goes until 2018 or 2019 and hits FA at age 29 witha chance for a second pay day.

Like @patfanken said, Butler has to put so much effort into overcoming his physical limitations that its difficult to imagine him being able to play like that into his 30s. At some point his vertical jump will degrade a bit and he will lose some of his excellent make-up speed.
 
Let me introduce you to two players drafted even later that contributed significantly this year: Thuney and Mitchell.

Point is you dont know what happens if we have a 32. The player picked there could be a bust, a contributor or even a superstar.
Cmon luuked you are only stating the obvious. My point is that drafting as low as we are (so far) significantly lowers the odds we are going to get players who can help us THIS year. We got very, very lucky last season with Thunney and Mitchell. That kind of lightning usually doesn't strike twice.

No the fact is that we WILL get a few players out of this draft who will EVENTUALLY go on to be of help, but it will take time. Julian might have been drafted late, but he became an overnight success that was 4 years in the making. The same goes for a lot of late round success stories. They take time.
 
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Cmon luuked you are only stating the obvious. My point is that drafting as low as we are (so far) significantly lowers the odds we are going to get players who can help us THIS year. We got very, very lucky last season with Thunney and Mitchell. That kind of lightning usually doesn't strike twice.

Not the fact is that we WILL get a few players out of this draft who will EVENTUALLY go on to be of help, but it will take time. Julian might have been drafted late, but he became an overnight success that was 4 years in the making. The same goes for a lot of late round success stories. They take time.

I know I am stating the obvious but I think the "we can live without the pick because they wont help us immediately" argument is a fallacy.

The issue with all of that is that draft picks on their own are overrated until you actually attach a name to that pick. And since we don't have any clue whatsoever how the NE draft board looks like it's difficult to judge how important #32 in the overall plan is.

It's entirely possible that Malcolm makes another clutch play to winnus another super bowl or maybe he tears his acl in camp.

If you ask me there are only 2 to questions to answer:

a) do you believe we can get an extension done if he stays?

b) is the value of one season of Butler bigger than a fresh player that needs to be developed but is here for 5?

I think at this point the answer to a) is fairly obvious. With the other one I am actually fine either way because I see both sides.
 
I'm more worried if Butler leaves. I don't mind Rowe at CB#2 but not sure about Coleman or Jones/Jones being good in the slot.
 
TRADE FOR PICK #11 would be my best fantasy. Voted for it.
But reality intrudes so I say keep him for 2017 at the $4M tender and let him explore FA for 2018.
Maybe we get a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2019.

Agreed on the reality part. Malcom playing on the 2017 tender also buys BB time to evaluate options...

- Offer a long term contract
- Tag him for 2018
- Let him walk after 2017, collect comp pick

A lot can change in a year. Butler on a $4M contract while seeing what this coming year brings is a great interim solution.

Regards,
Chris
 
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