Pats reportedly have received a preliminary offer for JG...

[Ring 6]

drafting Brissett supports this idea too.

Drafting brissett also could mean nothing other than they felt he was the bpa, backups contract is coming up soon, and the starter is 39.

 

[patfanken]

A couple of thoughts on this topic

1. While I had to listen to more babble on this topic on the radio, this thought occurred to me. As of now EVERYONE is taking Schecter's report as gospel, as if it came directly from Bill or a surrogate with orders from Bill. Then I started to wonder, if this was reality and the Pats wanted to get the word out that they aren't trading JG under any reasonable circumstances, why give the story to Schecter rather than Reiss or Curran, 2 guys who are known to have close and good relations to the organization. Why give Schecter the big scoop? Just a thought.

2. Cleveland has so many draft picks this year, last year and next year they are reaching a point of dimishing returns. You can't keep all your draft picks every year and build a stable roster. You often end up releasing a talent like Gabriel because you have to absorb such a large influx of new talent every year. In the end you wind up training talent that will blossom on their NEXT team.

The point being Cleveland can afford to give the Pats multiple picks this year and next to make a deal for JG.

3. BB was an Economics Major in college. He understands the value of a diminishing asset, and that is what JG is until he actually gets to play. He also has to recognize the fact that NOW he has a VERY favorable market place with a number of teams desperately needing QB's and the current QB class in the draft being particularly weak.

4. We had a 450+ post thread that droned on and on, from pillar to post and in the end concluded that "the Pats won't trade Jimmy Garapolo.....unless of course they do." This thread is a continuation of that thread.

5. I repeat this guarantee, with the exception of Shanahan who has a 6 year deal with the Niners, any HC who picks one of these QB's in the first round, won't be around long enough to see if they ACTUALLY develop into a good NFL starter. So to pick one would seem to be professional suicide, where you only reward you get is the thanks of the guy who replaces you. (IF the kid works out)

 

[borisman]

I think once the combine is over and teams get a gander at the available
QB's then we'll see the real offers pour in. There is still a Romo and a Cutler available but they're not for a "rebuilding/moving forward with in the future" type players. They are a one year deal type mercenary product.

 

[Rob0729]

I really think that the Aaron Rodgers/Jimmy Garoppolo comparisons are a little silly for a number of reasons:

• People forget that Favre really wasn't nearly as good as he used to be when they drafted Rodgers and when they decided to go with Rodgers over Favre. In fact, if he wasn't Brett "Freakin" Favre and the worries of a fanbase revolt, the Packers would have cut bait with him at least two years earlier than they did. On the other hand, Brady is playing better than ever.
• To that point, the Packers were never in this position. They were not getting tons of trade offers (or potential trade offers) with an elite QB playing at the top of his game sitting in front of him. Favre was average at this point. If Favre was playing like Brady and teams were fighting over each other to trade for Rodgers, history might be completely different right now. The Packers wanted Favre gone and Rodgers to start.
• Rodgers was once considered the first overall pick in the draft, but teams got skiddish on him and he fell down the draft. Rodgers had first overall pick talent coming out of college. He fell because he came from a system that produced multiple highly touted QB prospects who did nothing in the NFL and that he held onto the ball too high.

 

[AtomicDawg]

 

[resdubwhite]

Why stop there?

 

[Clonamery]

When will we know if it really is working?

 

[Bledsoehasaring]

Rubbish.

The cap is $167m and going up. With his first deal Jimmy G will be $15m/yr or so.

If you can't win with your franchise QB consuming only 9% of the cap your GM is horrible.

No offense but if this is rubbish.. then why isnt jimmy fetching what goff and rg3 fetched. He is clearly more talented than both those players. Furthermore if jimmy g were in this years draft he would be the first or second pick. So why would teams draft him so high and they are clearly willing to trade away there future for rookie qbs but we would most like only be able to get a first and a third or fourth for him? Its because teams in todays day and age are not willing to trade their future and pay a player. I am not arguing that he is not worth it. I am arguing his trade value.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No offense but if this is rubbish.. then why isnt jimmy fetching what goff and rg3 fetched. He is clearly more talented than both those players. Furthermore if jimmy g were in this years draft he would be the first or second pick. So why would teams draft him so high and they are clearly willing to trade away there future for a rookie qbs but we would most like only be able to get a first and a third or fourth for him? Its because teams in todays day and age are not willing to trade their future and pay a player. I am not arguing that he is not worth it. I am arguing his trade value.

You are speculating on some of your points.

You have no idea what teams have or are considering to offer for Jimmy G. No one does.

Saying Jimmy G is a better prospect or talent coming out of college than RG3 or Goff is not accurate.

I will agree the more expensive and older the player, the less draft pick compensation they would willing to give up.

 

[Bledsoehasaring]

You are speculating on some of your points.

You have no idea what teams have or are considering to offer for Jimmy G. No one does.

Saying Jimmy G is a better prospect or talent coming out of college than RG3 or Goff is not accurate.

I will agree the more expensive and older the player, the less draft pick compensation they would willing to give up.

I wasnt arguing jimmy g value coming out of college i am saying now. If jimmy g was able to go back into the draft he would be the first or second pick.. and you would see a team give away the farm for him. The only reason we are not seeing that is money. But anyways i agree i am speculating.. this whole thread is speculation. But it is fun.

 

[zipster9]

Still eyeing Cleveland's 12th pick... Would be best for both teams.

Reuben Foster may be available at this spot? Or take a Taco...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I wasnt arguing jimmy g value coming out of college i am saying now. If jimmy g was able to go back into the draft he would be the first or second pick.. and you would see a team give away the farm for him. The only reason we are not seeing that is money. But anyways i agree i am speculating.. this whole thread is speculation. But it is fun.

I tend to agree Jimmy would be a high pick. I don't know if his upside would be considered higher than the current crop. The other consideration is that teams would have cost control as picks have slotted salaries and Jimmy would not as he is already in the league.

 

[Dexter]

I think something like their #12, third round pick and next year's second round pick sounds fair to me but we are still two month before the draft so who knows what a bidding war and desperation can produce.

 

[zipster9]

I tend to agree Jimmy would be a high pick. I don't know if his upside would be considered higher than the current crop. The other consideration is that teams would have cost control as picks have slotted salaries and Jimmy would not as he is already in the league.

It would be difficult for a new rookie QB to start immediately. A rookie QB can lose confidence pretty quickly. The alternative is to keep the rookie as a backup for 2+ yrs and now bring in a veteran. So, now you invested in 2 QBs.

With Jimmy, he starts. He has 1 cheap year to evaluate. If he stinks, you look at the 2017 draft which has a much stronger QB class. If Jimmy does well, you offer him a contract.

On the Patriots side, I would not feel comfortable having Brissett backup Brady, if Brady goes down. Patriots would have to have a fill-in, if Brady gets hurt.

IMO.

 

[DaBruinz]

No offense but if this is rubbish.. then why isnt jimmy fetching what goff and rg3 fetched. He is clearly more talented than both those players. Furthermore if jimmy g were in this years draft he would be the first or second pick. So why would teams draft him so high and they are clearly willing to trade away there future for rookie qbs but we would most like only be able to get a first and a third or fourth for him? Its because teams in todays day and age are not willing to trade their future and pay a player. I am not arguing that he is not worth it. I am arguing his trade value.

Yet, in the trades you mentioned, that is exactly what the teams did.. They traded for their guy AND Paid him.

Jared Goff - Jared Goff
4yr/27M deal for a guy with no experience.

RG3 - Quarterback Robert Griffin III signs four-year, $21 million contract with Redskins

4yr/$21 contract for a guy with no experience.

Garoppolo has 1.5 games of experience and proved to be excellent in those games. Not to mention that he was good in training camp as well.

Furthermore, you're overlooking the fact that, at least in the case of the Browns, they have a significant number of extra draft picks this year and next as well as $110 million in salary cap space in which they MUST use 98M of it..

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Belichick should retire and turn the team over to one of his sons.

Thinking of putting this in my sig, "Ivan says..."
Am I a bad person?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Thinking of putting this in my sig, "Ivan says..."
Am I a bad person?

Lmao

 

[Huckleberry1]

A couple of thoughts on this topic

1. While I had to listen to more babble on this topic on the radio, this thought occurred to me. As of now EVERYONE is taking Schecter's report as gospel, as if it came directly from Bill or a surrogate with orders from Bill. Then I started to wonder, if this was reality and the Pats wanted to get the word out that they aren't trading JG under any reasonable circumstances, why give the story to Schecter rather than Reiss or Curran, 2 guys who are known to have close and good relations to the organization. Why give Schecter the big scoop? Just a thought.

2. Cleveland has so many draft picks this year, last year and next year they are reaching a point of dimishing returns. You can't keep all your draft picks every year and build a stable roster. You often end up releasing a talent like Gabriel because you have to absorb such a large influx of new talent every year. In the end you wind up training talent that will blossom on their NEXT team.

The point being Cleveland can afford to give the Pats multiple picks this year and next to make a deal for JG.

3. BB was an Economics Major in college. He understands the value of a diminishing asset, and that is what JG is until he actually gets to play. He also has to recognize the fact that NOW he has a VERY favorable market place with a number of teams desperately needing QB's and the current QB class in the draft being particularly weak.

4. We had a 450+ post thread that droned on and on, from pillar to post and in the end concluded that "the Pats won't trade Jimmy Garapolo.....unless of course they do." This thread is a continuation of that thread.

5. I repeat this guarantee, with the exception of Shanahan who has a 6 year deal with the Niners, any HC who picks one of these QB's in the first round, won't be around long enough to see if they ACTUALLY develop into a good NFL starter. So to pick one would seem to be professional suicide, where you only reward you get is the thanks of the guy who replaces you. (IF the kid works out)

In all fairness Ken that 450 post thread was only 20 words shorter than one of your random thoughts posts.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Still eyeing Cleveland's 12th pick... Would be best for both teams.

Reuben Foster may be available at this spot? Or take a Taco...

Taco please

 

[RobertWeathers]

It would be difficult for a new rookie QB to start immediately. A rookie QB can lose confidence pretty quickly. The alternative is to keep the rookie as a backup for 2+ yrs and now bring in a veteran. So, now you invested in 2 QBs.

Even though Jimmy has only 2 starts in 3 years there is undoubtedly less risk with him than a high-pick rookie QB. Hes been in the NFL for 3 years. Hes physically developed. He has received elite coaching and mentorship (I think TB12 has helped him more than Favre did for Rodgers) and there is film on him vs NFL defenses. Its a small sample but its more than a rookie QB.

To your point on QBs...Goff got $28m for 4 years. A reliable backup would be 1/2 that or less.

Paying Jimmy $13-$15m is not an awful decision.

With Jimmy, he starts. He has 1 cheap year to evaluate. If he stinks, you look at the 2017 draft which has a much stronger QB class. If Jimmy does well, you offer him a contract.

Teams are not shipping high picks for Jimmy and letting him play out his rookie deal. They want cost certainty now and want to lock him up.

I also wonder how much stock GMs will put in what happened in HOU with Osweiler and account for that in their thought process in how they approach signing Jimmy G. HOU is on the hook for $39m in guarantees and he is a disaster. They might even cut him because he is such a horrible fit.

On the Patriots side, I would not feel comfortable having Brissett backup Brady, if Brady goes down. Patriots would have to have a fill-in, if Brady gets hurt.
IMO.

Love Brisket but I don't think he is ready if TB12 blows an ACL. If they ship out Jimmy I think they will sign a mid-range vet who has a chance to run this offense if Brisket craps the bed or worse gets hurt.