Who WILL Win MVP and Who Should Win?

[Satchboogie3]

Will win- Matt Ryan

Should win- Matt Ryan

Disclaimer if Brady just played in 2 or so more games and had like 31 TD's and 2 picks and go 11-1 I would say Brady.

This i just don't get. It doesn't make any sense to me.

The case of Ryan isn't just stats, but how awful his defense has been. Brady playing in more games doesn't change that.

If you care about stats and stat averages, Brady's averages are as good or better than Ryan's for the most part. The only difference is games played. BUT, I don't see how you can hold that against him when he's won the SAME amount of games, in 4 fewer games played. 12 games played, 11 wins. Matty had four more games and still only managed 11 wins. Of course, the defense argument makes that moot. This point really is for those that say "oh, but the Pats went 3-1 in the first four!". That's great. It's a .75 win %. Brady still won as many games as Ryan and posted a ridiculous 91.7 win %.

And that's why I'd pick Brady. All these people, "but he missed four games". Yeah, and he still won 2 more games than Rodgers, as many games as Ryan, and just 2 fewer than Zak/Pres (while leading the team to the best record in the NFL). So IMO, how can you really hold those 4 games against him?

I'm fine with Ryan getting it though, he's deserving. He's had an incredible year and his team would be no where with their defense. But I think Brady's just been better and it shouldn't matter if you're team wins by 3 points or by 20. Good QB play is good QB play.

 

[deroc5050]

This i just don't get. It doesn't make any sense to me.

The case of Ryan isn't just stats, but how awful his defense has been. Brady playing in more games doesn't change that.

If you care about stats and stat averages, Brady's averages are as good or better than Ryan's for the most part. The only difference is games played. BUT, I don't see how you can hold that against him when he's won the SAME amount of games, in 4 fewer games played. 12 games played, 11 wins. Matty had four more games and still only managed 11 wins. Of course, the defense argument makes that moot. This point really is for those that say "oh, but the Pats went 3-1 in the first four!". That's great. It's a .75 win %. Brady still won as many games as Ryan and posted a ridiculous 91.7 win %.

And that's why I'd pick Brady. All these people, "but he missed four games". Yeah, and he still won 2 more games than Rodgers, as many games as Ryan, and just 2 fewer than Zak/Pres (while leading the team to the best record in the NFL). So IMO, how can you really hold those 4 games against him?

I'm fine with Ryan getting it though, he's deserving. He's had an incredible year and his team would be no where with their defense. But I think Brady's just been better and it shouldn't matter if you're team wins by 3 points or by 20. Good QB play is good QB play.

Yeah I think Brady is the best QB this season, but because Ryan had an excellent year and played the whole year he will win by default. Also Brady has the best defense or 1 of the best defenses in the NFL, I am pretty sure Ryan does not and probably had to take more chances over the course of the season to make up for the lack of defense the falcons have.

If I was voting I would probably vote Brady, but I am biased. He missed 4 games.. was it fair ? No but it is what it is.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Yeah I think Brady is the best QB this season, but because Ryan had an excellent year and played the whole year he will win by default. Also Brady has the best defense or 1 of the best defenses in the NFL, I am pretty sure Ryan does not and probably had to take more chances over the course of the season to make up for the lack of defense the falcons have.

If I was voting I would probably vote Brady, but I am biased. He missed 4 games.. was it fair ? No but it is what it is.

So answer this for me. The point of football is to win games, correct? Brady won as many games as Ryan, while posting similar stats (in terms of average), correct? So how does missing 4 games make any difference? 11 wins is 11 wins. The fact that it took only 12 attempts, not 16, should be a pro, not a negative...

Not denying Matty is deserving, but I just don't think this line or reasoning is all that logical. As I said, a win is a win, it doesn't matter if it is by 3 points or 20. Switch the tables and put Brady on the Falcons. Lets say they start 0-4. Do you think Brady wouldn't still be able to go 11-1 and end up with the same record (as ATL)? That's what these arguments are all about, if you go that "he missed 4 games" route...

 

[deroc5050]

So answer this for me. The point of football is to win games, correct? Brady won as many games as Ryan, while posting similar stats (in terms of average), correct? So how does missing 4 games make any difference? 11 wins is 11 wins. The fact that it took only 12 attempts, not 16, should be a pro, not a negative...

Not denying Matty is deserving, but I just don't think this line or reasoning is all that logical. As I said, a win is a win, it doesn't matter if it is by 3 points or 20. Switch the tables and put Brady on the Falcons. Lets say they start 0-4. Do you think Brady wouldn't still be able to go 11-1 and end up with the same record (as ATL)? That's what these arguments are all about, if you go that "he missed 4 games" route...

If you look at the Pats 3-1 start without Brady.. its deceiving to me. They beat Arizona but all Arizona had to do was kick a 47 yard FG to win. They probably should have lost to Arizona. The Pats beat dolphins fair and square Jimmy looked like Brady for the quarter that he played. The Texans **** the bed on special teams and gave the Patriots 2 short fields.. that was a givaway game. And the Bills shallacked them 16-0.. the Pats couldn't do **** on offense.

So all in all they could have easily gone 2-2 maybe even 1-3 if Houston didn't **** the bed.

I don't hold the 3-1 start against Brady at all.

I think if Brady put up big numbers in the Denver game that would have really solidified him as the MVP. With everything else staying the same I think the Denver game manager like game and leaning on the defense will cost Brady the MVP. I know its stupid but missing 4 games he had to play imo amazing every game to lock down the award.

He might still win and he should definitely be in the top 3 but thats my opinion of what the voters will look at.

 

[Satchboogie3]

I think if Brady put up big numbers in the Denver game that would have really solidified him as the MVP. With everything else staying the same I think the Denver game manager like game and leaning on the defense will cost Brady the MVP. I know its stupid but missing 4 games he had to play imo amazing every game to lock down the award.

That is a sound argument and certainly the performance vs common opponents is in Ryan's favor. I think he'll get it and I'm fine with that. I just can't stand the "but 4 games" argument.

 

[CheekyDave]

If we are going to count the 4 games that Brady missed against him, they why are we going to dismiss the first 6 or 9 games that Rodgers sucked, trying to learn how to throw with a properly inflated ball?

 

[dtbrks]

Ryan will win
Brady should win

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Will win: Rodgers. The media can't help themselves with that whole "called shot" narrative. (Not that he's undeserving.)

But... in Brady's starts, Patriots won as many games as Ryan's Falcons and one more than Rodgers' Packers. In 4 fewer starts!

Also, the 28:2 thing is just obscene.

thats going to be added to the bible

 

[Patstopia]

As a Pats fan, I would go with Brady

As an NFL fan I can see Ryan

As an NFL hater I expect (one and done) Rogers

 

[Sciz]

I can't blame anybody for supporting Ryan over Brady, but Rodgers should not be anywhere near the top of people's lists.

 

[SalemPats]

When you have 28 TDs and 2 ints including 18 TD / 0 int on the road and the #1 seed you are the MVP hands down.

MVP ranking:
1. Brady - he's the MVP and it's not even close
2. Rodgers - the late season run to get the #4 seed he ran the offense basically on his own. He was incredible. When i think of the top QBs of all time it's Brady in tier 1 by himself and the Rodgers at the top of tier ii - 40Td/7 int is pretty good especially after a slow start
3. Matt Ryan - solid season, still don't trust him, but he's a very good QB
4. Carr - 28Td - 6 int, he's legit and has made that leap into the upper echelon
5. Drew Brees - just because i like him

 

[TinhWoodhead]

beware of russian hackers

 

[Flash]

Rodgers will win, but Ryan deserves it more than anyone if Brady isn't going to win it. He was consistently a top 2 QB throughout the season and carried that Falcons team to the second seed. Rodgers is only better in the second half of the season.

 

[Joker]

Rodgers..it's the Goodelian/BSPN/advertising conglomerate vehicle into the post Brady years...he HAS to be deified and fawned over ala Peytie Pooch to meet their business paradigm.

 

[nabwong]

Btw, when is the voting and announcement?

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Should win-Brady
will win- who gives a sh*t, it's a bullcrap award anyway.

COTY?
They should have handed it to Belichick after he beat Houston Texans on a short week with a 3rd string rookie QB. The same Houston Texans that went on to win the AFC South. However, it seems Belichick is only under consideration when he goes undefeated.

 

[Gronk]

Brady should win. 28-2, 11-1, in near total control from week 5 onwards. If they'd gone 12-0 with him I think it'd be a lock. But they didn't. As someone else mentioned he won as many games as Ryan and 1 more than Rodgers...but with 4 less games.

But, if you turn it to the 'story arc' of the season, I think Rodgers and Elliot probably have the edge. Ryan is up there too, but he should be DQ'd by that pick-2 L against the Chiefs alone. Cowboys' OL and Dak being efficient aside, Elliott has been consistent and electric for a NFL-favorite franchise resurgence. If he was on the Chiefs I don't think there'd be this big media hard-on for him, but he's on the Cowboys so I could see him getting it. The Packers rough start followed by Rodgers basically dragging them to 10-6 and the division title is a better story - or at least more dynamic - than even Brady's regular season. Say what you want about media ballwashing, but the dude has been dope for the past 2 months. Again, that all changes if Brady goes undefeated. But he didn't. Pretty high bar to clear, but it is what it is. Not that he'll care, he's got asses to go whoop.

So, in short, I think Rodgers wins it. And I'm ok with that. That's a 3-win team without him.

 

[kkmack617]

Ryan will win it. He deserves it -- if only slightly -- over Brady.

No one else is really worth considering, IMO.

Probably my 3 favorite stats when comparing QB's are passer rating, ANY/A, and DVOA. Here's top 3 for all of them:

DVOA: MR 40%, TB 34%, DP 32%
RATE: MR 117, TB 112, DP 105
ANY/A: MR 9.0, TB 8.8, DP 7.9

 

[PatsFanInLondon]

Who votes for this award? No chsnce anyone affiliated with the NFL gives it to Brady...

Ryan gets it ahead of Rodgers, not least for his consistency across the entire season rather than a second half surge. Brady's numbers are superb, but he also has a great running game and a great defence so didn't play 3 or 4 levels higher than the rest of his team (and I can't believe I just wrote that)

At the end of the day, I don't care - I just want to see Goodell's face as he hands over the Lombardi to Brady and co...

 

[Pats1989]

Ryan should get it. He was more consistent than Rodgers from start to finish. Will he get it? Voters may be swayed by Rodgers last game vs Detroit. It'll be tight.

As for Brady, missing those four games hurts him. Don't care though. As long as he wins a SB, everything is gold.