Who were the Patriots 4th and 5th wide receivers last year?

[Geezer Butler]

I'm going total catches. It can be looked up.

ah, my bad. Thought you were talking depth wise.

 

[RayClay]

Boyce, Tyms, Dobson, Thomkins....all varied.

Wright had more targets than all of them combined and hardly ever lined up tight with the tackle. Hell he hardly saw the ball except a handful of times a month.

The point is...who gives a damn? The 5th WR and even the 4th WR is almost irrelevant in this offense.

Is that what you intended to surface in this discussion?

I didn't say irrelevant, but certainly not worth panicking over. We have pass catchers at various positions. One is injured and should be back by mid season, hopefully.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So, you don't like the thread itself. OK. Do you think we have worse receiving options among 3rd down RBs and TEs this year than last?

I don't have an issue with the thread as it brings out various perspectives of what people think this offense really is. The question was for you and what you want to figure out. The answer is a complex one.

I think WR is fine. The LaFell injury concerns me but overall its a good group. I could care less about Dobson and whomever else because they will hardly ever see the field once LaFell is back.

Receiving Back: Pats are loaded here. Lewis & White are fine. I'm high on Cadet but he hasn't done anything here so hes upside.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I didn't say irrelevant, but certainly not worth panicking over. We have pass catchers at various positions. One is injured and should be back by mid season, hopefully.

I said irrelevant. This team hasn't had a relevant 4th WR since 2007.

Wayne represented a relevent option. Now we are back to more 2WR/2TE sets.

 

[shmessy]

Boyce, Tyms, Dobson, Thomkins....all varied.

Wright had more targets than all of them combined and hardly ever lined up tight with the tackle. Hell he hardly saw the ball except a handful of times a month.

The point is...who gives a damn? The 5th WR and even the 4th WR is almost irrelevant in this offense.

.....as long as Edelman and Lafell are active.

If not, then it becomes a good thing to have some personnel there, no?

 

[shmessy]

Receiving Back: Pats are loaded here. Lewis & White are fine. I'm high on Cadet but he hasn't done anything here so hes upside.

Neither have White or Lewis in an NFL regular season game, unless you are basing it all on PS.

Look, I'm particularly excited about Lewis' POTENTIAL, but until he does it in a real situation, we simply don't know.

 

[RayClay]

I don't have an issue with the thread as it brings out various perspectives of what people think this offense really is. The question was for you and what you want to figure out. The answer is a complex one.

I think WR is fine. The LaFell injury concerns me but overall its a good group. I could care less about Dobson and whomever else because they will hardly ever see the field.

Receiving Back: Pats are loaded here. Lewis & White are fine. I'm high on Cadet but he hasn't done anything here so hes upside.

I was thinking about WR depth because I keep reading how important it is in this forum. Not by you, but you can't deny it's a hot topic. So I looked it up and thought it would make a fun thread with out me pushing my opinion in the first post.

Actually makes me feel better, because i think Harper can catch a few if needed and I'm not down on Dobson for having a foot injury, those are tough for skill position players.

 

[RayClay]

Any position with a rash of injuries is going to be tough, some more than WR. It would have been nice to stockpile a dozen DBs in 2005. Of course, a hole in the defense means you're screwed, while a shortage of receivers means you throw more to RBs and TEs, if you have them.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Neither have White or Lewis in an NFL regular season game, unless you are basing it all on PS.

Look, I'm particularly excited about Lewis' POTENTIAL, but until he does it in a real situation, we simply don't know.

Good point. The fanboy in me might have made a brief appearance.

With that said, Lewis has been in games for Philly and did well but it's been a while.

 

[Wheelman]

Has to be Dobson and Tyms

Didn't Dobson get IR'ed? I thought it was Boyce and Tyms? But then Boyce got IR'ed too, right? So there was no 6th receiver on the Super Bowl team? Because Slater was #5?

 

[RobertWeathers]

.....as long as Edelman and Lafell are active.

If not, then it becomes a good thing to have some personnel there, no?

If Edelman goes than DA is your SE and Dobson is your Flanker. Thats a killer.

This is where Gibson's loss hurts as he has both of those positions - and slot covered.

If he is healthy, Harper is doing is resume right now.

 

[shmessy]

Any position with a rash of injuries is going to be tough, some more than WR. It would have been nice to stockpile a dozen DBs in 2005. Of course, a hole in the defense means you're screwed, while a shortage of receivers means you throw more to RBs and TEs, if you have them.

As long as either Edelman or Lafell are active.

Look, I understand Pittsburgh's secondary stinks and they can get away with it in that first game. But if Edelman cannot go in that important divisional game in Buffalo week 2, then going against Rex's loaded Buffalo D armed only with Amendola, Dobson and an untested Harper is playing with fire. Better pray Edelman is ok for that one.

That Buffalo D is going to be even better than the excellent version of last year. In fact, I remember Tyms making a pretty nice contribution in that game in Buffalo last year. So yes, some depth is a good thing.

 

[eom]

Boyce, Tyms, Dobson, Thomkins....all varied.

Wright had more targets than all of them combined and hardly ever lined up tight with the tackle. Hell he hardly saw the ball except a handful of times a month.

The point is...who gives a damn? The 5th WR and even the 4th WR is almost irrelevant in this offense.

Is that what you intended to surface in this discussion?

well, I think the job of the 4th + 5th wr is to be on the roster for when the first 3 wr get injured, and the first 3 stayed pretty healthy last year, but it's different year to year.
the issue really isn't week 1, it'd be week 3 if both edelman + amendola got hurt in weeks 1 + 2.

 

[shmessy]

If Edelman goes than DA is your SE and Dobson is your Flanker. Thats a killer.

This is where Gibson's loss hurts as he has both of those positions - and slot covered.

If he is healthy, Harper is doing is resume right now.

Fine for Pittsburgh. Very thin for Buffalo. They can still win by being creative with the 3rd down backs and the TE's, but it forces them to be creative.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I was thinking about WR depth because I keep reading how important it is in this forum. Not by you, but you can't deny it's a hot topic. So I looked it up and thought it would make a fun thread with out me pushing my opinion in the first post.

Actually makes me feel better, because i think Harper can catch a few if needed and I'm not down on Dobson for having a foot injury, those are tough for skill position players.

Anything the team gets from Dobson and Harper is a bonus.

When DA or JE11 go down or if LaFell can't come back, then you need to be very concerned.

At that point, they may even call Welker. It would not surprise me.

 

[shmessy]

Anything the team gets from Dobson and Harper is a bonus.

When DA or JE11 go down or if LaFell can't come back, then you need to be very concerned.

At that point, they may even call Welker. It would not surprise me.

But right now there IS no JE11 and LaFell.

Praying JE11 can be active. He hasn't been the last 2 weeks.

As I said, I don't think they crucially need JE11 for Pittsburgh, but they certainly do for Buffalo if they think they don't need a 5th or 6th WR.

 

[eom]

I didn't say irrelevant, but certainly not worth panicking over. We have pass catchers at various positions. One is injured and should be back by mid season, hopefully.

when they announced the lafell signing did you ever think you'd see the day when people were upset he was missing games?

 

[RobertWeathers]

well, I think the job of the 4th + 5th wr is to be on the roster for when the first 3 wr get injured, and the first 3 stayed pretty healthy last year, but it's different year to year.
the issue really isn't week 1, it'd be week 3 if both edelman + amendola got hurt in weeks 1 + 2.

Sure but as a contingency only. As it relates to the week-to-week gameplans the 4th and 5th WRs really only see the field ~5% of the snaps.

With Dobson, Cadet and Harper thats ok depth IMO. Now if they were seeing 50 snaps a game each? That a very bad thing.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Fine for Pittsburgh. Very thin for Buffalo. They can still win by being creative with the 3rd down backs and the TE's, but it forces them to be creative.

Why is it bad for BUF? B/C they need to spread them out?

Both of those team's secondaries are brutal. Brady should do fine.

 

[shmessy]

Sure but as a contingency only. As it relates to the week-to-week gameplans the 4th and 5th WRs really only see the field ~5% of the snaps.

With Dobson, Cadet and Harper thats ok depth IMO. Now if they were seeing 50 snaps a game each? That a very bad thing.

As of right now, Dobson is our #2 WR.