Shaun Phillips, DE? Would be cheap...

[LiamUK]

Do you really think we need another DE? I think Chandler Jones & Nink are a solid pairing, and with Buchanan entering his second year he could be a solid backup. So unless we can get him on a backup's wages, I don't think he'd be a great signing as in my mind, we don't another starter.

 

[skspikex2]

Do you really think we need another DE? I think Chandler Jones & Nink are a solid pairing, and with Buchanan entering his second year he could be a solid backup. So unless we can get him on a backup's wages, I don't think he'd be a great signing as in my mind, we don't another starter.

Seahawks able to put out consistent pass rush due to fresh bodies rotating. Sure Ninko and Jones are solid, but each play over 1000 snaps at a ridiculous 95-98%.Everybody see they were gassed out by the end of the year.

 

[Rob0729]

Do you really think we need another DE? I think Chandler Jones & Nink are a solid pairing, and with Buchanan entering his second year he could be a solid backup. So unless we can get him on a backup's wages, I don't think he'd be a great signing as in my mind, we don't another starter.

The Pats probably need a rotational guy. Phillips would be a good fit. I don't think they need a Jared Allen (neither does the Seahawks for that matter).

 

[Rob0729]

Seahawks able to put out consistent pass rush due to fresh bodies rotating. Sure Ninko and Jones are solid, but each play over 1000 snaps at a ridiculous 95-98%.Everybody see they were gassed out by the end of the year.

They create a pass rush also because they have a solid secondary that gives their rushers an extra second to get to the QB and they can send an extra guy.

People do realize the Pats had four more sacks last season than the Seahawks. I know that sacks isn't the be all and end all stat to determine pass rush quality (often it can be very misleading), but I never looked at the Seahawks as a strong pass rush team and I always saw their real strength in their secondary. They are more built out in than in out. Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, and Earl Thomas are among the best players at their position. You can argue that Sherman and Thomas are THE BEST at their position. I think without their secondary, the Seahawk's d-line would not be nearly as good as people think it is.

 

[LiamUK]

Seahawks able to put out consistent pass rush due to fresh bodies rotating. Sure Ninko and Jones are solid, but each play over 1000 snaps at a ridiculous 95-98%.Everybody see they were gassed out by the end of the year.

Yeah, I suppose using him like a rotational guy would be good. But how much do you pay a rotational guy?

Also, how do you multi-quote?

 

[Kontradiction]

They create a pass rush also because they have a solid secondary that gives their rushers an extra second to get to the QB and they can send an extra guy.

People do realize the Pats had four more sacks last season than the Seahawks. I know that sacks isn't the be all and end all stat to determine pass rush quality (often it can be very misleading), but I never looked at the Seahawks as a strong pass rush team and I always saw their real strength in their secondary. They are more built out in than in out. Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, and Earl Thomas are among the best players at their position. You can argue that Sherman and Thomas are THE BEST at their position. I think without their secondary, the Seahawk's d-line would not be nearly as good as people think it is.

The problem is that their edge rush flamed out at the end of the season and in the playoffs because Nink and Jones played such a high percentage of snaps. They had more sacks than the Seahawks, yes, but the Seahawks pass rush was much more effective down the stretch and in the playoffs in part because they had more bodies to rotate in and out like a well oiled machine. Those bodies, as a result, had less wear and tear and fresher legs. Jones is an excellent starter in this league, Nink is ideally a rotational guy, and Buchanan has a steep learning experience. Bequette has to have nude selfies on Belichick because I have no clue why he's still on the roster. The Pats can draft an Ealy or a Ford early as I mentioned before and sign a guy like Phillips. That gives them four capable pass rushers (the rookie would be a pass rush specialist and come off the field on obvious running downs) plus possibly a fifth if Buchanan learns from his 2013 mistakes. Give them another 3-tech pass rusher and that gives them two capable bodies in the rookie (I like Easley) and Kelly, plus a possible third if Armstead actually pans out to be anything. Now you've got a solid rotation of guys with fresh legs that can get after the quarterback on top of one of, if not THE, best secondaries in the NFL.

 

[Sicilian]

Yeah, I suppose using him like a rotational guy would be good. But how much do you pay a rotational guy?

Also, how do you multi-quote?

Click the + sign next to the quote button for each post you want to include. Then click Post Reply at the bottom of the thread (or click quote on the last post you want to include).

 

[strngplyr]

Do you really think we need another DE? I think Chandler Jones & Nink are a solid pairing, and with Buchanan entering his second year he could be a solid backup. So unless we can get him on a backup's wages, I don't think he'd be a great signing as in my mind, we don't another starter.

I absolutely do believe we need a 3rd capable DE. Someone who take take 150-200 snaps away from each of Jones and Ninko and keep them that much fresher.

As stated, Seattle got a lot of pressure by having 3 very good pass rushers in Clemons, Avril, and Bennet rotating in and out along their line.

We've done so much to help our defense over recent seasons and with the addition of Revis and Browner this year, it would hurt to not do everything possible to complete it.

LB Depth can be filled later in the draft, maybe even our 7th rounder from last year will be ready to play.

DE/DT need to be addressed early. If Wilfork is stick around and we see no reason that Armstead can't contribute, I'll see DT as less of a concern and want the higher pick spent on DE.

Also, I believe it was Kontra who brought it up, I'd be thrilled to pickup Phillips or Ayers AND draft the best DE (Ealy, Ford, Tuitt) available if it fits at 29. I'm done with the Bequette experiment. Replace him with a rookie and Carter with Phillips, I can't fathom Phillips being worse than Carter last year.

Otherwise give me XSF at that spot unless Aaron Donald magically falls to 29.

 

[bagwell368]

Do you really think we need another DE? I think Chandler Jones & Nink are a solid pairing, and with Buchanan entering his second year he could be a solid backup. So unless we can get him on a backup's wages, I don't think he'd be a great signing as in my mind, we don't another starter.

Check out the playing time of DE's around the NFL, Nink and Jones were way up there. What if one gets hurt? Buchanan from what I saw is useful against the pass only.

Assuming BB doesn't trade back, who will available that is a guarantee to be a solid or better starter at an open position?

SS
RG (Cannon seems likely here)
C (need to draft but there are good ones to be had in the late 3rd)

Back up/rotational needs: LB, OT, DT, DE

To me, Pryor is the only guaranteed day 1 starter (yes, as a SS) we can draft at #29 (if he's still there).

If not there trade back and get an OT (Vollmer always misses games, Solder is moving towards FA) in the late 40's - several of whom are legit RT starting candidates for this year (not here). I think the DE's of use this year are basically gone by then. I think we can get a real good rotational (or better) DT from 65-80 range.

I can see Smith or Fales at QB in the 5th and a RB/KR/PR or two in the 6th. Heck if we decide to give up the two starting TE's idea there are fine WR's in the mid 3rd thru late 5th. There is nobody near AH coming out this year, drafting a TE high, is just over paying in draft capital for a trend BB created. I don't think any of the TE's is a slam dunk player except Ebron, and he's off the board way before we come by. I don't think Amaro can out produce LaFell this year, and LaFell may be a better blocker.

 

[LiamUK]

I agree, we could do with a rotational DE to take the pressure of Jones & Nink, but what I'm saying is, we don't need to pay high for another DE. Shaun Phillips, if he comes cheap, would be a good choice but I like Buchanan. And we definitely don't need to draft high for a DE. We have other needs.

But yes, I agree, we need another DE to take their share of snaps and increase the efficiency of our DL. Also, having more players that the other team have to gameplan for is a positive.

 

[Rob0729]

The problem is that their edge rush flamed out at the end of the season and in the playoffs because Nink and Jones played such a high percentage of snaps. They had more sacks than the Seahawks, yes, but the Seahawks pass rush was much more effective down the stretch and in the playoffs in part because they had more bodies to rotate in and out like a well oiled machine. Those bodies, as a result, had less wear and tear and fresher legs. Jones is an excellent starter in this league, Nink is ideally a rotational guy, and Buchanan has a steep learning experience. Bequette has to have nude selfies on Belichick because I have no clue why he's still on the roster. The Pats can draft an Ealy or a Ford early as I mentioned before and sign a guy like Phillips. That gives them four capable pass rushers (the rookie would be a pass rush specialist and come off the field on obvious running downs) plus possibly a fifth if Buchanan learns from his 2013 mistakes. Give them another 3-tech pass rusher and that gives them two capable bodies in the rookie (I like Easley) and Kelly, plus a possible third if Armstead actually pans out to be anything. Now you've got a solid rotation of guys with fresh legs that can get after the quarterback on top of one of, if not THE, best secondaries in the NFL.

Did Jones "flame out" because he didn't have anyone subbing for him or the fact that no one respected the Pats' DTs and he drew so many double teams?

I am not disputing that a rotational DE is a need for this team. I am disputing the emphasis people are putting on it vs. other more pressing needs. We don't know right now if the Pats have two starting DTs or a starting safety next to McCourty. I like Chris Jones', Duron Harmon's, and Sealver Siliga's upside, but we don't know if any of them will take that next step to be solid full time starters. We don't know if Wilfork will even be on the team and if he is whether he is going to remotely be close to what he was. Same thing with Tommy Kelly.

People want the Pats to pay top starter money to a guy like Jared Allen yet seem to be unconcerned about getting a DT or another starting quality safety. As I said in my other post, I would be far happier if the Pats get Chris Clemons and Pat Sims than any of the free agent DEs including Jared Allen. Those are far more pressing needs.

 

[WeezyFbaby]

Are we underestimating a second year of Buchanon? He was a projected 2nd? Also i assume armstead can see some reps at DE. I agree we need some depth but i doubt Phillips is the make or break to this team.

 

[LiamUK]

Are we underestimating a second year of Buchanon? He was a projected 2nd? Also i assume armstead can see some reps at DE. I agree we need some depth but i doubt Phillips is the make or break to this team.

I agree, I think Buchanan is going to have a good 2nd year. Armstead, I'm still reserving my judgement.

 

[captain stone]

Are we underestimating a second year of Buchanon? He was a projected 2nd? Also i assume armstead can see some reps at DE. I agree we need some depth but i doubt Phillips is the make or break to this team.

Buchanon was more of a projected 4th/5th-rounder because of a poor senior season after
fellow DE Whitney Mercilus was taken in the 1st round in 2012. I'm not advocating cutting
him, but I am advocating signing a professional DE so that we do not have to rely on an
unproven 2nd-year player to provide meaningful snaps in a rotation with Ninko & Chandler.

 

[supafly]

Are we underestimating a second year of Buchanon? He was a projected 2nd? Also i assume armstead can see some reps at DE. I agree we need some depth but i doubt Phillips is the make or break to this team.

Buchanon didn't look too hot at setting the edge and defending the run last year, which is why he quickly lost his opportunities.

Even old, tired, and worn out Andre Carter overtook his place on the depth chart, if that tells you much of anything.

He may be able to make progress going forward, but he's probably a long way off right now. I think we'll definitely need to add to the talent pool if that's the idea, but a solid value veteran presence may go an awfully long way at DE.

Guys who'd cost anything more than 3-4 million dollars were probably never a realistic option, so we can cross the majority off the list immediately. It's likely to be a value signing in my opinion.

 

[IcyPatriot]

So you're a teenager on school vacation?

Are you going to ask for my picture to pedo?

somebody ban this troll ... seriously why is he here?

 

[patsfan-1982]

6 million for Phillips was a bit much, I would love if Ford is there at #29 if the pats are looking for a DE

 

[Joker]

yeah..everyone knows Tom Brady > Tony Dorsett

 

[strngplyr]

6 million for Phillips was a bit much, I would love if Ford is there at #29 if the pats are looking for a DE

6m for 2 years isn't bad for a guy that posted 10+ sacks and 50ish hurries..

 

[Sticky Caulk]

6m for 2 years isn't bad for a guy that posted 10+ sacks and 50ish hurries..

It is if he wants to start and sucks against the run.