End of 2013 league year cuts, signings, trades, voids, etc...

[ATippett56]

Also we will almost exclusively play man to man with Revis/Dennard. BB will let him follow around the opposing teams #1 option all game along, another perk for him.

How many teams have the cap space and run man to man?

Patriots
Broncos
Raiders
Colts
???

"Just win baby" even at all costs.

 

[Sciz]

Wasn't there a way the Patriots could get his cap number to $8m for '14?

Yes, but that's not really much of a benefit considering that he'd still be making $16M a year. Those "push cap into the future" restructures are for players that are worth the cash but the team needs/wants more cap room. It's not the same if that player isn't worth the cash.

 

[Don Kipines]

Amendola was a bad signing for last year
The others were Patriots players


How convenient of you not to bother thinking before posting, though. Well done.

Those "Patriots players" we're not Patriots by then but unrestricted free agents. As Jerod Mayo also would have been, had they not extended him previously. There's no way to look at the 2013 class without considering him as well.

The team's MO is to give out big money to home-grown players they've seen succeed in the system, then bargain-shop for outside players. Vollmer and Mayo are two of the NFL's best at their positions -- you'd have liked to see them go? Aqib Talib for $5 million wasn't a good deal? Even Arrington was a good deal in retrospect, considering what corners are getting now.

Julian Edelman was one of the biggest bargains in free agency, by the way, as was Brian Waters once upon a time, Andre Carter, Leigh Bodden, Rob Ninkovitch, Mike Vrabel, etc. This year's bargain candidates also include Jones and Siliga, two players who look like they'll stick for years at very low cost.

Free Agency is as much a minefield as it is an opportunity. Teams can sink themselves for years investing huge dollars in veteran free agents. The Patriots at the very least don't run themselves out of whole years by over-committing FA dollars. They stay in it every year, try to be prudent, and hope to get lucky here and there with low-cost investments. Even Randy Moss and Welker were bargain-bin acquisitions. It's frustrating as a fan because we want the big names, but it's the smart play. And don't forget, if we went out and signed Hakeem Nicks or Jared Allen tomorrow for big bucks, we'd probably have to give up Nate Solder or McCourty down the line. The Pats always spend to the cap. What else could you want?

 

[gobesmug]

Amendola was a bad signing for last year
The others were Patriots players


How convenient of you not to bother thinking before posting, though. Well done.

What do you call a player who has no contract. A FA. That is exactly what Talib, Vollmer, and Edelman were. They weren't contract extensions and were signed after the FA period started. If I included contract extensions, then I would have added two of the best TEs in football. Gronk and Ahern, and Rob Ninkovich.

So are you saying the patriots shouldn't spend money on proven players in their system and let Devin McCourty go in FA next year, and Chandler Jones the year after that? So in reality you are saying they should overpay some unproven big name player from another team.

Maybe the pats should have never extended Brady back in 05 and signed Dante Culpepper instead. After all resigning your own players apparently doesn't add any value to your team according to your bizarre logic.

I think it is clear to see who is not thinking.

 

[captain stone]

How convenient to leave Talib, Edelman, Vollmer, Amendola and to a lesser extent Hooman off your list.

Onthemendola was left off the list for a reason.

 

[captain stone]

You look at a lot of the top free agents from last year and many of them were a waste of money. Look at Greg Jennings, Jake Long, John Abraham, Osi Umenyoria, Dashon Goldson, Mike Wallace, Andy Levitre, LaRon Landry, and others got decent to great contracts (based on the free agent market last season) and none of them lived up to their contracts in year one. Some barely lived up to the veteran's minimum contract...

John Abraham was worth every penny he was paid this past season.

 

[Deus Irae]

What do you call a player who has no contract. A FA. That is exactly what Talib, Vollmer, and Edelman were. They weren't contract extensions and were signed after the FA period started. If I included contract extensions, then I would have added two of the best TEs in football. Gronk and Ahern, and Rob Ninkovich.

So are you saying the patriots shouldn't spend money on proven players in their system and let Devin McCourty go in FA next year, and Chandler Jones the year after that? So in reality you are saying they should overpay some unproven big name player from another team.

Maybe the pats should have never extended Brady back in 05 and signed Dante Culpepper instead. After all resigning your own players apparently doesn't add any value to your team according to your bizarre logic.

I think it is clear to see who is not thinking.

Yes.... You. When you re-sign your own players, you're not shopping, and signing your own players doesn't preclude you from signing other quality free agents. BTW, bringing up Vollmer, Gronk and AHern? Priceless. Two of them spend most of the season on the shelf and the 3rd spend all of the season in the Massachusetts penal system. It's as if sticking your first foot into your mouth wasn't enough and you really felt the need to shove that second one in right behind it.

I'm sorry that common sense is eluding you in your quest for troll points, but your posts have been incredibly stupid, and I'm not going to waste more time on you. Perhaps you could find someone else who'll play.

 

[gobesmug]

Yes.... You. When you re-sign your own players, you're not shopping, and signing your own players doesn't preclude you from signing other quality free agents. BTW, bringing up Vollmer, Gronk and AHern? Priceless. Two of them spend most of the season on the shelf and the 3rd spend all of the season in the Massachusetts penal system. It's as if sticking your first foot into your mouth wasn't enough and you really felt the need to shove that second one in right behind it.

I'm sorry that common sense is eluding you in your quest for troll points, but your posts have been incredibly stupid, and I'm not going to waste more time on you. Perhaps you could find someone else who'll play.

Obviously you have no clue what a troll is.

First, you made the asinine comment that BB only gets FAs from Walmart, which is a huge troll hyperbole.

Other posters pointed out how wrong you were, then you proceeded to list FAs that suited your blatantly obvious agenda and omitted other players that made your point invalid.

I brought to your attention the players you omitted and you then came up with some lame excuse as to why they were discredited.

I then pointed out the ludicrous logic you used and you only counter argument is troll.

Now I'm done with this ridiculous argument, since you clearly have been proven wrong with facts. Deal with it.

 

[supafly]

Not 100% sure their offense is going to be remotely as good as it was last year.
- Their interior line is a shambles right now with their starters at guard either leaving in free agency or retiring.
- If they get the Welker they had down the stretch this year, he is not nearly the guy who started the season. And at his age, he could be worse than that by the start of 2014 especially if he has lingering effects of the concussions.
- Manning will be another year older and although he can still make great decisions, his arm strength is getting worse and worse each year and at some point even his ability to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly won't overcome his physical limitations. His deep ball range wasn't much more than 20 yards last year (at least on a consistent basis).
- Decker may be overrated, but he is still a top #2 in the league and he won't be easy to replace. It will allow more double teams on the two Thomases if he isn't replaced with at least an above average #2 WR.
- Not sure if Monte Ball can replace Moreno.

I am not sure the Broncos are going to have these massive leads again this year. I could be wrong, but they are losing a lot on offense and both Manning and Welker are at ages where they can hit the age wall really hard at any time.

Denver needs a lot of things. They need a #2 WR, two guards, a starting RB, and an ILB.

I'd wait to see what the entire picture looks like, or else you'll end up replicating your demise of Baltimore's defense predictions from last year. The truth is that even after all of the offseason threads and posts about how horrid Baltimore would be on that side of the ball due to their losses on paper, they actually got better by replacing them with an upgrade in talent in many areas by the time the season started.

I can't seriously look at Denver's offense with Demarius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Peyton Manning, and Wes Welker and claim that they're going to suddenly take a huge downward trend. They may not end up setting records again, but there's absolutely no reason whatsoever that they won't be one of the most potent offenses in the game still. Even if they would somehow lose 10 points per game average on offense, they'd still be scoring in the high 20's every game.

The loss of Decker and some OL changes are terribly overrated. Manning has the quickest release time of any QB in the game, and plenty of weapons left to throw to. One can assume that just about anyone can step in and be reasonably productive in Decker's spot with the other weapons that they have. On top of that RB Montae Ball was an awesome RB in college, and had been groomed all of last season to be the starter. He's a 2nd round pick for crying out loud.

 

[jsull87]

Wilson - Bust
Armstead - Bust if you count him (I don't count UDFAs or FAs from other leagues)
Kelly - started well until injured
Jenkins - bust
Jones - Bust
Svitek - aside from Kelly, the 'cream' of the Patriots FA crop

Blount - Trade, not FA


Easy as pie to 'blame' the front office. Last year's Walmart shopping spree was a near-complete failure.

Not going to get into this type of back and forth that you seem to expertly bait other posters into.

FO's can't tell the future RE injuries. Amendola would be the only one i'd give you there because he had a substantial history of missing games.

Your summation of "substantial failure" is IMO ridiculous. Players BB brought in last year who started for the pats: Jones, Silinga, Kelly, Blount, Amendola and Svitek.

Before i waste any more time on this, i think we all know it's not as black and white as you are making it out to be. As long as you continue to make it out as such you'll continue to have your otherwise well thought out posts viewed as satire.

 

[jsull87]

Wilson - Bust
Armstead - Bust if you count him (I don't count UDFAs or FAs from other leagues)
Kelly - started well until injured
Jenkins - bust
Jones - Bust
Svitek - aside from Kelly, the 'cream' of the Patriots FA crop

Blount - Trade, not FA


Easy as pie to 'blame' the front office. Last year's Walmart shopping spree was a near-complete failure.

Not going to get into this type of back and forth that you seem to expertly bait other posters into.

FO's can't tell the future RE injuries. Amendola would be the only one i'd give you there because he had a substantial history of missing games.

Your summation of "substantial failure" is IMO ridiculous. Players BB brought in last year who started for the pats: Jones, Silinga, Kelly, Blount, Amendola and Svitek.

Before i waste any more time on this, i think we all know it's not as black and white as you are making it out to be. As long as you continue to make it out as such you'll continue to have your otherwise well thought out posts viewed as satire. :thumb:

 

[Deus Irae]

Ike Taylor just got one hell of a haircut:

Ike Taylor will enter his 12th and perhaps final NFL season by agreeing Monday to a $4.25 million cut in his salary for 2014. Scheduled to earn $7 million in the final year of his contract, Taylor accepted a cut to $2.75 million. No years were added to his contract, which expires in one year.

Steelers reduce Ike Taylor's salary from $7M to $2.75 M - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

 

[supafly]

Wasn't there a way the Patriots could get his cap number to $8m for '14?

I believe it could go even lower than that, but the problem is what other posters have mentioned in the sense that he's just not worth moving the money ahead in the future.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

P. Schrager ?@PSchrags 16m

Deep breaths, Bucs fans. Deep breaths. The phones are, indeed, ringing down in Tampa at the moment. Teams want to talk re: Revis.

Bucs fans were losing it...they may get a trade after all

 

[strngplyr]

I know not everyone like Loyko, but:

Mike Loyko ?@NEPD_Loyko 2m
My final tweet of the night (unless a signing).. told today by Pats source to "Brace myself for the next two weeks" ..

 

[Deus Irae]

Not going to get into this type of back and forth that you seem to expertly bait other posters into.

FO's can't tell the future RE injuries. Amendola would be the only one i'd give you there because he had a substantial history of missing games.

Your summation of "substantial failure" is IMO ridiculous. Players BB brought in last year who started for the pats: Jones, Silinga, Kelly, Blount, Amendola and Svitek.

Before i waste any more time on this, i think we all know it's not as black and white as you are making it out to be. As long as you continue to make it out as such you'll continue to have your otherwise well thought out posts viewed as satire. :thumb:

1.) You started the "back and forth", not me. I sure as hell wasn't trying to bait you into anything. I'd responded specifically to someone else, who'd responded to me after I'd responded to yet another party, and you jumped in with a terribly thought-out post.

2.) Armstead missed the year because of a non-football illness. We weren't told what the illness was, so we don't know if it was at all related to previous issues, but it required surgery. Undergoing surgery in July means that he never even got into an exhibition game, nevermind a regular season contest.

3.) Blount was not a free agent. He was brought in via trade. I've already pointed this out to you.

4.) Siliga was not a part of the free agent spending spree. He was a mid-season pickup long after that had gone by.

5.) Chris Jones was a waiver claim, in September. He was, obviously, not a part of the free agent shopping spree.

6.) Amendola, as has been discussed in about a billion threads, was a terrible signing through year one of his deal. Obviously, we hope for better moving forward, but claiming him as a FA win at this point is insanity.

7.) I already went over Kelly and Svitek. They were the cream of the Patriots FA crop. One good signing, and a second signing that didn't completely suck. Woohoo!


In short, my post was fine and easily defended, and I was in no way trying to bait you or anyone else. Your post was poorly thought out and your followup has been even worse.

Now, feel free to laisse tomber.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I know not everyone like Loyko, but:

Abraham is coming to the pats!?!?!

 

[Joker]

brace for WHAT??? no signings??? a bunch of signings?? what is this, frat night at Sigma Nu? Jerry's gonna do some card tricks later on and we'll all hit the beer bong??? somebody nuke this nitwit!!!

 

[Deus Irae]

brace for WHAT??? no signings??? a bunch of signings?? what is this, frat night at Sigma Nu? Jerry's gonna do some card tricks later on and we'll all hit the beer bong??? somebody nuke this nitwit!!!

C'mon, admit it. Regardless of the final outcome for either team, it would be a hoot if BB got into a real FA signing war with ol' HeeHaw out in Denver, instead of doing the bottom feeding thing. Seeing the surly one and the horseface both loading up their teams for (at least relatively) short time periods would make the offseason a blast.

 

[strngplyr]

C'mon, admit it. Regardless of the final outcome for either team, it would be a hoot if BB got into a real FA signing war with ol' HeeHaw out in Denver, instead of doing the bottom feeding thing. Seeing the surly one and the horseface both loading up their teams for (at least relatively) short time periods would make the offseason a blast.

I certainly wouldn't mind getting into an arms race with Denver this year like the 2 best teams in the NFC did last year. It worked pretty well for both of them, if both teams had a chance to win the SB they probably would have due to their offseasons.