What the Pats want for Mallet according to

[Deus Irae]

The Texans already have a good back up who has won a playoff game - TJ Yates. Yates is a big hard-throwing guy like Mallett who is content to hold the clipboard, collect a cap friendly salary that is more money than most us will ever make in a year, and work hard. Why would they want Mallett?

They would want Mallett if (big word for just two letters) they feel he's more than just a 'good backup'.


Really, the key in any talks about Mallett is how coaches/GMs view him. I know that a lot of people like to toss out the "first round talent!" claim, but he went in the 3rd round. We can't really get a bead on that year's crop, either, because the talent is so widely placed.

Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Andy Dalton
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallett
Ricky Stanzi
T.J. Yates
Nathan Enderle
Tyrod Taylor
Greg McElroy

Kaepernick and Newton are clearly the best of that draft class, to date. In between them, Gabbert and Ponder have been busts, and Locker and Dalton have been inconsistent QBs who hurt their teams as much as they help them. Where does Mallett fit in the group?


That's the $64,000 question.

 

[Brady6]

Those of you who do not think Mallett is that good look at this video of his 2013 preseason highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WWmdW4xCOA

I think he has impressive upside, he throws on the move well, he is accurate throwing into tight spots, and he makes throws that not many QBs can make.

 

[PP2]

Those of you who do not think Mallett is that good look at this video of his 2013 preseason highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WWmdW4xCOA

I think he has impressive upside, he throws on the move well, he is accurate throwing into tight spots, and he makes throws that not many QBs can make.

While that may be true, you may want to note the vanilla defense he plays against, including BOB on the line with no blitz, etc. So while his athleticism does display the upside that you speak of, it still remains for him to prove that he can read and decipher on the same level that Brady does. What Brady does in that regard, puts him in a very small group as far as QB'ing in this league, IMO.

 

[supafly]

So while his athleticism does display the upside that you speak of, it still remains for him to prove that he can read and decipher on the same level that Brady does. What Brady does in that regard, puts him in a very small group as far as QB'ing in this league, IMO.

I'm not sure there are too many QBs who can do that at the level that Brady does, as you point out.

I think until Mallett shows that he can read and react to opposing defenses on the same level as an average QB, there are going to be concerns about him.

I loved the Mallett pick in 2011. As a matter of fact, I started a thread about a week before the draft stating that I thought we should/could take a QB in the first 3-4 rounds, much to everyone's dismay who thought that it would be "DE, DE, and another DE."

I haven't seen anything from Ryan Mallett that would make him any more deserving of a 4th round selection in trade compensation....at best. The fact is that he hasn't even received the opportunity to display any talents, and when he has in the preseason in limited opportunity, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire. He's been mediocre at best.

I think there are other QBs like Kirk Cousins who we could debate a 2nd/3rd round pick over much more confidently, due to at least showing something during actual NFL games, and even then---people still aren't sold.

 

[DW Toys]

The Texans already have a good back up who has won a playoff game - TJ Yates. Yates is a big hard-throwing guy like Mallett who is content to hold the clipboard, collect a cap friendly salary that is more money than most us will ever make in a year, and work hard. Why would they want Mallett?

So cousin, What you say is T.J. Yates is better than Mallett and the three unknowns of Bortles, Bridgewater and Manzeil are going to not be like E.J. Manual, Christian Ponder and Mark Sanchez? Is this your assumption?

DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

I'm not sure there are too many QBs who can do that at the level that Brady does, as you point out.

I think until Mallett shows that he can read and react to opposing defenses on the same level as an average QB, there are going to be concerns about him.

I loved the Mallett pick in 2011. As a matter of fact, I started a thread about a week before the draft stating that I thought we should/could take a QB in the first 3-4 rounds, much to everyone's dismay who thought that it would be "DE, DE, and another DE."

I haven't seen anything from Ryan Mallett that would make him any more deserving of a 4th round selection in trade compensation....at best. The fact is that he hasn't even received the opportunity to display any talents, and when he has in the preseason in limited opportunity, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire. He's been mediocre at best.

I think there are other QBs like Kirk Cousins who we could debate a 2nd/3rd round pick over much more confidently, due to at least showing something during actual NFL games, and even then---people still aren't sold.

Your opinion is well noted.
Some disagree.
DW Toys

 

[supafly]

So cousin, What you say is T.J. Yates is better than Mallett and the three unknowns of Bortles, Bridgewater and Manzeil are going to not be like E.J. Manual, Christian Ponder and Mark Sanchez? Is this your assumption?

DW Toys

I think he's just saying that many are forgetting about Yates as their backup, and since he knows the system and has shown just as much as Mallett, if not much more, we should keep that in mind.

He's already there, cheap, and obviously wouldn't cost anything in trade compensation.

 

[supafly]

Your opinion is well noted.
Some disagree.
DW Toys

Of course. Rarely will we all agree--if ever.

Just out of curiosity, what is it specifically that you don't agree with?

You think Ryan Mallett has shown enough in his limited preseason attempts to warrant a 2nd round pick, normally reserved for the upper echelon of NFL players?

 

[Brady6]

Of course. Rarely will we all agree--if ever.



Just out of curiosity, what is it specifically that you don't agree with?



You think Ryan Mallett has shown enough in his limited preseason attempts to warrant a 2nd round pick, normally reserved for the upper echelon of NFL players?

Sup it is not the shortcoming of Mallett that keeps him on the sidelines during the regular season.

If we had waited a year and drafted Russell Wilson in the third round he would be sitting on the bench just like Mallett.

 

[Deus Irae]

While that may be true, you may want to note the vanilla defense he plays against, including BOB on the line with no blitz, etc. So while his athleticism does display the upside that you speak of, it still remains for him to prove that he can read and decipher on the same level that Brady does. What Brady does in that regard, puts him in a very small group as far as QB'ing in this league, IMO.

I just watched that video. There are maybe 3 throws of any difficulty in it. It's one of the lamest QB highlight videos I've ever seen, and it was made by a Mallett fan.

Mallett completed 55% of his passes in the exhibition season, and had about an 80 QB rating, against the stiffs. And that's with most of his throws being made, without being under pressure, to wide open receivers or being crossing patterns.

 

[supafly]

Sup it is not the shortcoming of Mallett that keeps him on the sidelines during the regular season.

If we had waited a year and drafted Russell Wilson in the third round he would be sitting on the bench just like Mallett.

I don't dispute that in the least, Brady6.

I'm not sure what that necessarily has to do with anyone trading for him, though. He hasn't looked all that good in his very limited attempts, so that's what I'm disputing. Some think that he has looked great in preseason, but that's not even close to true. He's looked nothing more than mediocre--at best.

We'll have to see how it plays out. I'm good with either option, as long as we get something good in return, due to the fact that it's going to leave a glaring hole in the backup QB depth.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Your opinion is well noted.
Some disagree.
DW Toys

But only if BOB et. al. disagree vehemently will there be a trade of The Hammah!

 

[Brady6]

I don't dispute that in the least, Brady6.

I'm not sure what that necessarily has to do with anyone trading for him, though. He hasn't looked all that good in his very limited attempts, so that's what I'm disputing. Some think that he has looked great in preseason, but that's not even close to true. He's looked nothing more than mediocre--at best.

We'll have to see how it plays out. I'm good with either option, as long as we get something good in return, due to the fact that it's going to leave a glaring hole in the backup QB depth.

Honestly I think I am just at the point where I am arguing that he worth it not so much because I believe but more because that he is. I want the #33 pick and I am hoping I can will it into happening by belaboring the point

 

[supafly]

Honestly I think I am just at the point where I am arguing that he worth it not so much because I believe but more because that he is. I want the #33 pick and I am hoping I can will it into happening by belaboring the point

I hope you're right, buddy.

Another thought could be trading down/out of the 1st again to try and accumulate more picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds, seeing as how the draft seems to be rather deep.

The only thing I don't like about that option is the thought of waiting as long as last year. If we do trade down, I want it to be within the next 7-8 picks.

If we can't get a 2nd though, I don't think I'd want to part with Mallett, to be completely honest. I like having him as the backup here.

 

[Triumph]

The Pats want a 2nd for Mallet and thats why he is still in NE.

NE received a 2nd for Cassel and he had won 11 regular season NFL games. Everyone saw how he flopped after leaving NE yet people think that some team is going to jump head first and trade for Mallet.

Last year, the juicy rumor was Mallet to the Browns and the Pats turned up the propaganda machine on how great Mallet looked in practice. Boy, what an arm!

Mallet has proven nothing to show that he is ready to lead an NFL team in actual games where the other team is trying to win too. BOB and the Houston Texans are not going to trade their 33rd pick in this draft for a clip board holder from Arkansas. Houston is trying to catch up to the Indy Colts, not the Jax Jaguars. If Mallet was really that good, it would not be a secret and other franchises would know all about it. Creme rises to the top.

Why do people think that Patriots back up QBs who have basically spent their careers watching Tom Brady, automatically bring wins with them to their new teams?

Ryan Mallett completed 9-of-18 passes for 97 yards in the Patriots' preseason opener before exiting with a "head" injury.
Mallett's accuracy and decision making still look like a work in progress. He missed throws he should make, and came away with a 5.39 yards-per-attempt average versus a truly brutal-looking Eagles defense. If the Patriots are going to use Mallett as trade bait anytime soon, he'll have to pick up his play. The injury didn't appear serious as Mallett returned to the sideline in a ballcap. Fri, Aug 9, 2013 09:05:00 PM

Recent news on Ryan Mallett - New England Patriots - Rotoworld.com

 

[Triumph]

Everyone wants to trade a clunker for something new.

Remember when Rohan Davey was worth at least 1 first round pick? And, it may have been 2 at some point in the era of wine and roses. Either Dan Graham or Ben Watson were worth high trade picks too IIRC.

 

[Jackson 2]

Could've gotten 2 firsts for Michael Bishop...

 

[letekro]

The Pats want a 2nd for Mallet and thats why he is still in NE.

NE received a 2nd for Cassel and he had won 11 regular season NFL games. Everyone saw how he flopped after leaving NE yet people think that some team is going to jump head first and trade for Mallet.

Last year, the juicy rumor was Mallet to the Browns and the Pats turned up the propaganda machine on how great Mallet looked in practice. Boy, what an arm!

Mallet has proven nothing to show that he is ready to lead an NFL team in actual games where the other team is trying to win too. BOB and the Houston Texans are not going to trade their 33rd pick in this draft for a clip board holder from Arkansas. Houston is trying to catch up to the Indy Colts, not the Jax Jaguars. If Mallet was really that good, it would not be a secret and other franchises would know all about it. Creme rises to the top.

Why do people think that Patriots back up QBs who have basically spent their careers watching Tom Brady, automatically bring wins with them to their new teams?



Recent news on Ryan Mallett - New England Patriots - Rotoworld.com

Mallett's arm is better than Brady's and he is a much, much, much better thrower while on the move, and a far better touch passer. All he's done since he came here has gotten into sick shape, stayed out of trouble and earned at least some measure of confidence from the coaching staff keeping him as the sole backup. Yes he airmailed some balls in the preseason, but he also made some nice throws, one of which was a perfect pass that one of the scrub receivers he's had to work with somehow turned into an interception, another of which was a perfect lob dropped in Boyce's breadbasket--the very throw Brady struggles with. What does all of that mean for his future production? Not a lot, but not nothing either. What have the college kids done to prove they are worthy of high draft picks?--certainly,less than Mallett.

People that compare this situation to Cassell, Bishop, or O'Connell are being silly.

 

[MassPats38]

[H]e is a much, much, much better thrower while on the move, and a far better touch passer.

I'll bite. He throws a more catchable ball (touch passer) than Brady and is that much better while on the run - based on what NFL evidence?

I won't compare him to KOC, because he survived more than one year. The mere fact he is on the team means he has showed a willingness to work on his skills and figure out the offense. That is a positive. He may be viewed as a workable insurance plan for Brady in that the Pats could tweak the offense to account for his differences and still move on with some degree of success.

Comparing him as far better than Brady in all of the categories you mention is a colossal stretch given the fact all of those skills can be diminished when a QB does not have a calendar week to make a throw. If a QB is incapable of releasing a pass quickly, and from what I have seen in preseason games that still appears to be a problem, then he will likely rush that pass, throw a less catchable ball, and not get his body behind the throw when facing the real NFL defenses rather than 4th tier scrubs who are still effectively college players.

He is not a draft pick at this point, so his college time is fairly irrelevant. He has not lit up the scoreboard in his preseason opportunities with numerous opportunities to do so, so he will likely remain an NFL enigma that carries a contract price in addition to a draft pick if traded. The rookies cost only the pick and carry a very affordable price. Paying more for his services, with the same question marks as other QBs without NFL game experience, is why teams would have issues with him. Why pay more for that gamble than you have to? Nobody would surrender a high draft pick for a year rental, so he would come with a multi-year deal on the hope he can play in the NFL. If Mallet believes he can play, and I suspect he does, his agent would not be looking for a rookie deal given his years on an NFL team. That means more money.

 

[TonyTucker]

Mallett's arm is better than Brady's and he is a much, much, much better thrower while on the move, and a far better touch passer. All he's done since he came here has gotten into sick shape, stayed out of trouble and earned at least some measure of confidence from the coaching staff keeping him as the sole backup. Yes he airmailed some balls in the preseason, but he also made some nice throws, one of which was a perfect pass that one of the scrub receivers he's had to work with somehow turned into an interception, another of which was a perfect lob dropped in Boyce's breadbasket--the very throw Brady struggles with. What does all of that mean for his future production? Not a lot, but not nothing either. What have the college kids done to prove they are worthy of high draft picks?--certainly,less than Mallett.

People that compare this situation to Cassell, Bishop, or O'Connell are being silly.

His arm is better than Brady's.....how? Because he can throw it further? Not that I've ever seen it, but I'll give you that he can throw better on the move, but touch passes? They both suck at them. Every one of Mallet's passes is 300 MPH. Brady, when he's throwing fastballs, hits guys 5-10 yards downfield. Mallet throws them in the dirt or over their head.