Explosive New Hernandez Details

[PatsFan2]

We still have no evidence of this.

All we have evidence of is that he is surrounded by people who are apparently violent in nature, and involved in a lifestyle that begets crime. That, alone, might be enough to ensure Hernandez, regrettably, never suits up as a Patriot again. But to say he is complicit or directly involved in the murder at this point is not appropriate, especially given a week full of shoddy news reporting. All we think we know, at this point, is that he has been uncooperative in the investigation. As pointed out before, there could be many reasons why he would do that yet do not indicate he is directly involved in the murder.

You sound very hypocritical...I am sure you know the saying...Show me your company I know who you are.:snob: And as far as he being a Patriot I hope he doesn't suit up again...once a thug always a thug.

 

[JackBauer]

A pretty pathetic series of posts...I hope none of you are ever selected for jury duty. Sheesh.

 

[BradyManny]

You sound very hypocritical...I am sure you know the saying...Show me your company I know whou you are.:snob: And as far as he being a Patriot I hope he doesn't suit up again...once a thug always a thug.

It's hard to have black & white rules in the NFL. Plenty of these athletes grow up disenfranchised, broken homes, surrounded by crime. You can't simply rule out players who grow up in that environment.

That said, the Patriots have given Hernandez ample opportunity to free himself from those ties and he hasn't, so regardless how this plays out, it's hard to see him back in a Pats uniform.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

We still have no evidence of this.

All we have evidence of is that he is surrounded by people who are apparently violent in nature, and involved in a lifestyle that begets crime. That, alone, might be enough to ensure Hernandez, regrettably, never suits up as a Patriot again.

Since when have the Patriots cut a player based on guilt by association?

 

[BradyManny]

Since when have the Patriots cut a player based on guilt by association?

Fair. But have they had a player who had an offseason with so much trouble in it? When have they ever barred a player from their facilities?

If Bedard's reports are true (specifically re: not being able to lose gang member friends), then investing in Hernandez, or continuing to invest in Hernandez, comes with risk. I suppose you could say they already took the risk last offseason with the extension. But there's still bonus money to be paid, and his contracts rise each year going forward.

 

[PP2]

We still have no evidence of this.

All we have evidence of is that he is surrounded by people who are apparently violent in nature, and involved in a lifestyle that begets crime. That, alone, might be enough to ensure Hernandez, regrettably, never suits up as a Patriot again. But to say he is complicit or directly involved in the murder at this point is not appropriate, especially given a week full of shoddy news reporting. All we think we know, at this point, is that he has been uncooperative in the investigation. As pointed out before, there could be many reasons why he would do that yet do not indicate he is directly involved in the murder.

The police reportedly have video of him with the victim hours before his death. He also was with the victim the previous night. The victim was found shot to death execution style, less than one mile from Hernandez's house, near a car rented in Hernandez's name.

With all that in consideration, it is pretty difficult for me to consider that Hernandez is somehow not complicit to what happened.

 

[BradyManny]

The police reportedly have video of him with the victim hours before his death. He also was with the victim the previous night. The victim was found shot to death execution style, less than one mile from Hernandez's house, near a car rented in Hernandez's name.

With all that in consideration, it is pretty difficult for me to consider that Hernandez is somehow not complicit to what happened.

It's not difficult for me to consider at all.

As already posited, there are several ways the whole thing could've gone down in which Hernandez was neither present or complicit in the young man's death.

In fact, some of the more logical narratives to this mystery would preclude Hernandez' presence, and explain the biggest puzzle of the situation, which is why the hell the car was left there with the body.

 

[Termigator]

Actually, I was trying to think of an area where I had lived at one point and found the locals to be somewhat....slower than other parts of the country. Kind of the opposite of the tremendous educational standards set in the NE area.

My current hometown of Pittsburgh (although as a Penn Stater I'd be ripping on myself, but I tend to do that anyway from time to time) would have also been quite appropriate in this instance, as would have your choice of NY--but in my opinion there are some characters down in the southern FL area. Not meaning to disrepect anyone who may be from there as it obviously doesn't apply to all. It's said in complete jest anyway.

Let me try to tie this all together for you. The Tampa Bay area like the Miami Beach area have a high concentration of what we lovingly refer to down here as Senile Citizens. A naturally occuring dilution of the brain trust with their yearly arrivals. Considering that we are also the national headquarters of the "Hey Y'all watch this crowd" that is saying a lot. Most senile citizens, incidentally, come from the great northern land of the Gangrene Nation and have never had a drivers licence. So they move down here, get themselves a new Family Truckster and then proceed to wipe out a bus stop bench full of fellow senile citizens who were out sunning themselves and talking about their ailments. Any reference to Bucs or Fins was intentional and not purely incidental. :loco:

To make some attempt to stay on topic, as much as I liked AHern at UofF, he was a bit of a problem there as well.

SF

 

[PP2]

It's not difficult for me to consider at all.

As already posited, there are several ways the whole thing could've gone down in which Hernandez was neither present or complicit in the young man's death.

In fact, some of the more logical narratives to this mystery would preclude Hernandez' presence, and explain the biggest puzzle of the situation, which is why the hell the car was left there with the body.

Then why the need to smash his surveillance system and break his cell phone?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

A voice of reason...I hope nobody on Patsfans.com is going to defend Hernadez on this. God Forbid if the dead person was anybody in our families. Hernandez is a ungrateful thug who should get what he deserves...a very long time in jail.

Defend Hernandez on what? Without having a clue what actually happened?

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Does anyone know if Aaron was able to get his bicycle unlocked since the locksmith had to show up Saturday under police direction? I guess he forgot the combo since he's been under so much stress.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Fair. But have they had a player who had an offseason with so much trouble in it? When have they ever barred a player from their facilities?

Again, per Ian Rapoport, the issue was not Hernandez himself, it was the fact that there was a media circus surrounding him while the governor was there, and Kraft didn't want Gillette as the "site of a media stakeout."

It's not at all clear that if Hernandez were to come without his newfound entourage today that he would be turned away.

 

[JMC00]

So now the cops are going to search a body of water near his house. Wonder if that means the 15 bags of evidence didn't turn up anything or at least not enough to make an arrest.

 

[BradyManny]

Then why the need to smash his surveillance system and break his cell phone?

First, all it takes is a little imagination to think of a fair number of things Hernandez would be stupid enough to hide in this instance. But second, what proof do we have it was Hernandez who committed both of those acts? All we know is that those items were damaged. Do we know who did it? No.

Again, there were two people taken from his house last Tuesday, who are they? What were they doing there? How often do they stay in this home? Why aren't we asking about them?

 

[Pats0204]

Colin A. Young ?@ColinAYoung 10m
As investigators exited the swamp all they would say is that they were looking for "evidence." #Hernandez

Colin A. Young ?@ColinAYoung 8m
State Police investigators did also say "no" when asked if they found anything. #hernandez

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Then why the need to smash his surveillance system and break his cell phone?

1. Simple panic & stupidity

2. Fear that surveillance vid shows him at home with either vic or murderer and he'll be in trouble explaining the association to BB and Goodell, etc.

3. A house guest smashed the vid system

4. It was smashed weeks/days ago prior

5. Smashed his phone because POed/distraught learning of the murder

There are myriad explanations that could fit what is reported as the facts yet we're really not even sure they're facts. Yeah it looks like he's complicit in some way but we don't really know anything except the murder by GSWs, AH rental car at scene, AH et. al. were with vic previously

 

[BradyManny]

Again, per Ian Rapoport, the issue was not Hernandez himself, it was the fact that there was a media circus surrounding him while the governor was there, and Kraft didn't want Gillette as the "site of a media stakeout."

It's not at all clear that if Hernandez were to come without his newfound entourage today that he would be turned away.

That could be true, I don't argue with that.

But my larger point remains. Per Bedard, associations with gangbangers was the main reason he dropped to round 4. And per Bedard, as of last season, he was having issues getting rid of these gangbangers.

So, while we have no evidence revealing the validity to any of the claims about Hernandez in any of the incidents that have transpired this offseason, the pattern of trouble following him seems unlikely to stop abruptly.

And so while from the viewpoint of the justice system Hernandez could make it through this offseason clean, I think the Patriots need to take a wider view. Even Mike Reiss says he can't see Hernandez suiting up again. I'm not trying to be provocative here, if anything, I feel like I'm trying to espouse a middle-ground line of thinking.

 

[IllegalContact]

So now the cops are going to search a body of water near his house. Wonder if that means the 15 bags of evidence didn't turn up anything or at least not enough to make an arrest.

yes.........they went through the 15 bags and there was no gun in there.......

they are going to search the water for the gun, then they will go get another 15 bags out of his house

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And so while from the viewpoint of the justice system Hernandez could make it through this offseason clean, I think the Patriots need to take a wider view. Even Mike Reiss says he can't see Hernandez suiting up again. I'm not trying to be provocative here, if anything, I feel like I'm trying to espouse a middle-ground line of thinking.

That's his opinion. Mine is based on the Edelman situation, where they could have easily made a determination that "This guy is more trouble than he's worth/costs," but they didn't. I expect that the Patriots will not rush to judgment, especially given that Hernandez does carry a $10M cap hit over the next two years if the Patriots are the ones who remove him from the team.

I do expect that if he remains with the team, though, the Pats will requiire him to renegotiate his contract to force him to stay on the right track (e.g., any suspension, for any reason, results in him losing $MM down the road or getting outright cut).

 

[PP2]

First, all it takes is a little imagination to think of a fair number of things Hernandez would be stupid enough to hide in this instance. But second, what proof do we have it was Hernandez who committed both of those acts? All we know is that those items were damaged. Do we know who did it? No.

Again, there were two people taken from his house last Tuesday, who are they? What were they doing there? How often do they stay in this home? Why aren't we asking about them?

Well if Hernandez didn't commit those acts of destruction, then why didn't he report them or at least replace them if they had been "broken for a while"? The fact that he failed to either report them or explain what happened, is what makes him complicit, even if what he has to hide is not relevant to the murder, only because it obstructs the investigation from confirming that he had nothing to do with the execution.

As for the other two men, they were taken in for interviews and released rather quickly so I assume that the investigation isn't really focusing on them anymore.

Any one of those things, on its own would probably be easily pardoned or explained away, but there are just too many elements that just don't add up.

Just doesn't pass the smell test for me.