Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Deus Irae]

There's a ton of wishful thinking and weird fantasizing going on in this thread to hope that our #1 receiver will be there when the rest of the receivers are such an unknown mess, but let's face facts. Hernandez may have murdered the guy himself, was likely present when the murder was committed and probably was an accessory, and at the very least obstructed a murder investigation in very obvious ways. He's not playing football this year. Likely never.

You say "let's face facts", but you then offer up nothing but suppositions and guesses.

 

[Bruins29]

Football talk is more than welcome. Gronk will be gone for at least the first 6 games and while I love Amendola and think he's a better talent right now than Welker was when he first came to the team, he's new and very fragile.

Hernandez is a guy who's been in the system and has rapport with Brady, would be healthy, and has shown himself to be a reliable and dangerous threat. He was, essentially, the Patriots' sole insurance in the face of all the uncertainty around Gronk and the new receiving corps... and his skillset is that of a receiver with some added value elsewhere, not a tight end. But that's now gone, unfortunately.

Agreed. I dont think he will be back. But, for all of that and while I agree he is a cornerstone of the O I dont think he would be the leading receiver on the team. A superstar sure...but I dont think they would ever consider him to be the surefire number one pass catcher.

Also, you mention how fragile DA is. AH has never played a full season so that sort of washes.

Plus I dont know who keeps repeating the Gronk to PUP thing but its getting a little silly to read. Why on earth would the Pats PUP their superstar TE who hasnt touched a football in a long time and is set to be ready in week one?

And, given what has happened with AH its even more unlikely they PUP Gronk...not that I think they would have anyway.

 

[Bruins29]

If I had known you were going to do the weird internet appeal to authority thing I wouldn't have bothered with this dialogue

Well you post with such authoritative certainty about AH being counted on to be the number one receiver and Gronk going on PUP that I figured you must know something we all don't

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Then you should be upset with the Patriots, since they have banned him from entering team property. Why would they do that?

According to Ian Rapoport, it's because Kraft didn't want Gillette Stadium as the site of a media stakeout, especially with Gov. Patrick there for an event.

It's not clear that he'd be turned away if he showed up on Monday without a media circus.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

What will y'all say when ahern is on the field this year? Because everything points to him playing, not in jail.

 

[primetime]

Well you post with such authoritative certainty about AH being counted on to be the number one receiver and Gronk going on PUP that I figured you must know something we all don't

If we only posted what Belichick told us... well, we'd have nothing to post.

Rapaport, who's about as close to a team mouthpiece as you can get even in his new gig, said Gronk would be going on PUP. I don't see anyone disputing that, so I'll take it as stated. For what it's worth, I think a Gronk fresher for the stretch run may be worth him missing the first part of the season anyways.

 

[Bruins29]

What will y'all say when ahern is on the field this year? Because everything points to him playing, not in jail.

I hope he is here. Would I put money on it? Not sure.

 

[Deus Irae]

If we only posted what Belichick told us... well, we'd have nothing to post.

Rapaport, who's about as close to a team mouthpiece as you can get even in his new gig, said Gronk would be going on PUP. I don't see anyone disputing that, so I'll take it as stated. For what it's worth, I think a Gronk fresher for the stretch run may be worth him missing the first part of the season anyways.

Of course Gronk will start on PUP. Typical recovery time for the surgery Gronk had is 12 weeks, as doctors have noted and reporters have reported, so he'll be PUP'd for training camp/preseason. The question is whether he'll still be on PUP when it's time to designate for the regular season.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

I hope he is here. Would I put money on it? Not sure.

Odds are he is playing. Apparently not too many sane posters. Most are insane IMO.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Of course Gronk will start on PUP. Typical recovery time for the surgery Gronk had is 12 weeks, as doctors have noted and reporters have reported, so he'll be PUP'd for training camp/preseason. The question is whether he'll still be on PUP when it's time to designate for the regular season.

Probably not because that would make him miss practice for 6 weeks during the season.

 

[Bruins29]

Probably not because that would make him miss practice for 6 weeks during the season.

NOOOOOOOOOO Why do we keep having to repeat it? Active PUP and reserve PUP are two totally different things.

Starting on PUP and missing the first 6 weeks are two totally different things.

 

[JMC00]

Either way the details sort of stop mattering to (most of) us as Patriots fans when it becomes clear he'll never be putting on pads again.

And at this point the possibility of him playing again seems pretty remote.

Funny, I heard similar things when Roethlisberger was being investigated for rape.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

NOOOOOOOOOO Why do we keep having to repeat it? Active PUP and reserve PUP are two totally different things.

Starting on PUP and missing the first 6 weeks are two totally different things.

Many here expect GRONK to start the regular season on PUP, or at least would not be surprised by it.

 

[Bruins29]

Many here expect GRONK to start the regular season on PUP, or at least would not be surprised by it.

Sure because they aren't thinking it through. He could indeed go on reserve PUP but some of the more knowledgable posters here who know how PUP works (and the disadvantages of it) think he probably wont go on reserve PUP.

 

[Raven007]

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[IllegalContact]

If we are speculating, it seems to me that the more time they spend searching AHs house, cars, spots he hangs out in, the more likely it is that he is a suspect in committing the murder.
I cannot imagine why they would be searching his house, if we assume the murder did not happen there (which we still can not be 100% sure of) then they must be looking for physical evidence which would mean the murderer was there.
I suppose this opens up 2 possibilities, that AH is the murdered or the murderer went to his house after committing the crime, and we could go into hundreds of variations of speculation about AHs role.

There is also the possibility he's 100% innocent.......everything happened around him

A regular seargent Schultz

 

[belichick010405]

There is one thing that today's search can produce for those that have hope - Everything that they collected today do not point to Hernandez as being the killer.

If that is the case then the only thing that they may have on him is an obstruction of justice charge if the video surveillance either from his house or his neighbors show that he came home around the same time that Lloyd was murdered and MSP makes the connection that he purposefully tried to destroy the video surveillance evidence from a separate warrant to the service provider that Hernandez uses for his security

While many will see today's search warrant as a sign that he is definitely involved in the murder, today is the day where if the MSP doesn't find evidence that directly links Hernandez to the murder then he could very well be cleared.

Finally, since we do not know what was on today's search warrant, many of those bags that stored potential evidence may point to those that have or were staying at his house and not necessarily toward Hernandez.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Can you guys reset the most basic thing for me and tell me if this is correct ?

The body was found and a rental car in Hernandez' name was found at the scene.

Is that correct ?

If so it sounds like Lloyd went by himself and got killed.

But I also heard someone say 4 left in the car and 3 returned. But with all the false reports I can't keep track what's true and what isn't.

In the absence of corroborating evidence remain highly skeptical of everything the news media reports. Their track record of sensationalistic, rumor as fact reporting gives them the well earned, well deserved title of The Ron Borges Group. IMHO, respectfully, I suggest almost all of what you think "is/was true" has in truth not been established as fact (at least not yet). Yet so much of it has been accepted as fact because umpteen "news" media outlets generated sufficient repetition/volume to prove the quote: "A (rumor) told often enough becomes the truth" (in conjunction with the very large section of society that operates under the assumption that 'my feeling means it is a fact').

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

There is one thing that today's search can produce for those that have hope - Everything that they collected today do not point to Hernandez as being the killer.

If that is the case then the only thing that they may have on him is an obstruction of justice charge if the video surveillance either from his house or his neighbors show that he came home around the same time that Lloyd was murdered and MSP makes the connection that he purposefully tried to destroy the video surveillance evidence from a separate warrant to the service provider that Hernandez uses for his security

While many will see today's search warrant as a sign that he is definitely involved in the murder, today is the day where if the MSP doesn't find evidence that directly links Hernandez to the murder then he could very well be cleared.

Finally, since we do not know what was on today's search warrant, many of those bags that stored potential evidence may point to those that have or were staying at his house and not necessarily toward Hernandez.

AH being ruled out as a suspect by investigators has little chance of happening anytime soon, IMO. Assuming investigators have established a time of death/a firm time range of death, and assuming they know the place the body was found is the lone crime scene (there could be multiple locations), they would have attempted to establish AH's whereabouts. Since the police executed a search warrant at the residence of AH yesterday, a plausible conclusion is investigators have not placed AH's whereabouts away from the scene of the crime during the time of death.....meaning he remains a person of interest. I just don't think physical evidence from his house will change that.

Of course this is speculation. His whereabouts may have actually already ruled him out as a suspect at the scene(s) of the crime. The warrants and interest in AH may be based on investigator's belief he was involved in a connected crime such as a conspiracy or some sort of abetting. Or the warrants could be aimed at gathering evidence on someone else who lives or frequents AH's home. Or it could be that investigators lack any hard evidence pointing to a specific suspect, and they are basing their interest on AH's home because of some circumstantial evidence in the hopes of uncovering hard evidence and establishing a firm suspect(s) (a fishing expedition).
While there are these and other possibilities, I just don't know if I see many of them excluding AH from the investigation in the near future. That is my hope but I am not hopeful of it.....

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

No. Regardless of what happens going forward, they reported that an arrest warrant had been issued when an arrest warrant had not been issued. They were wrong.

What almost certainly happened is that they jumped to conclusions and/or jumped the gun in order to break the story. Which tells you everything you need to know about their credibility in this matter.

ABC (or any other) being wrong shouldn't be a surprise or have been needed to have viewed the "arrest warrant" report with skepticism. A lack of credibility has already been established WELL before AH became a Patriot.

People repeatedly throw other people to the lions based on an information source that is proven unreliable. It's a perplexing human condition.....one that governments and tyrants must find very useful.