Explosive New Hernandez Details

[patsfanincleveland]

Well, he has the most to lose out of anyone so maybe that's why he's getting the pressure. Because he may actually crack under it.

One would think that if he really did do it, the two homey's would be sitting in prison.

Maybe he financed a drug deal?

Could be pressure based on the fact he most likely knows who fired the shots.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

One would think that if he really did do it, the two homey's would be sitting in prison.

Maybe he financed a drug deal?

Could be pressure based on the fact he most likely knows who fired the shots.

Drug dealing is by far the most plausible considering what little we know, but still wildly speculative as he could be completely oblivious to Mr Lloyd's whereabouts when they aren't together.

Its a reasonable response by law enforcement to try and lean on Hernandez with scare tactics or whatever they can say to rattle him. Leak false info to the press, search the house repeatedly, break things etc. Doesn't mean he knows anything but they have to exhaust every option for their case and he has the most to lose from this.

 

[fnordcircle]

If Aaron was innocent wouldnt he be holding press conferences to proclaim such? Calling on Mr Kraft to help him "find the real killers"

Why would be be hiding in his house?

Because his lawyers have likely told him to shut up.

Nobody ever talks their way out of an arrest - this isn't TV. He can only cause problems if he talks.

 

[Dr Pain]

Well, he has the most to lose out of anyone so maybe that's why he's getting the pressure. Because he may actually crack under it.

All three have the same to lose, life in prison. My guess is they aren’t serving the warrant because they are looking for more, murder vs. obstruction. The Miami case is interesting as it is alleged he shot the guy from behind in the temple and the bullet came out his eye. This suit (the first one) was filed before this fellow was murdered perhaps by a shot in the back of the head.

 

[BigMike]

Because his lawyers have likely told him to shut up.

Nobody ever talks their way out of an arrest - this isn't TV. He can only cause problems if he talks.

yes thats correct. I was making a point that AH is acting guilty. Hes lawyered up and in hiding. If he were completely innocent he would be acting differently, in my opinion. Plus he shot a guy in the face a few months ago in FL.

Would love some of our L/E members to post here. Weve got a few on this board. They can enlighten us with whats going on.

 

[Big Bucks]

We also dont know if his gfs sister is talking, or two of his "boys' that were taken away (and weve heard nothing more about) Like previous poster said, the camera footage from Desire and Cadillac Lounge in Providence might have given additional clues.

Hernandez is really wrecking the Patriots "brand" with strip club quotes from the owner of the Caddy, etc...along with these murder allegations.

Calling in a locksmith to open a room, or cabinet which contained something Aaron is trying to hide...bongs? weapons? WHo knows. The evidence the MSP is piling up continues. Time for Aaron to plead and cut a deal. Turn himself in if the "non cooperation: rumors are true.

THis is a murder attached to a drug situation according to previous media leaks. I bet LE is waiting to see what Aaron does, who he calls or goes to see to get more info on the drug aspect of this case....might be more people involved or a bigger drug aspect to this.

Cant wait to see Gronk back on the field next season.

Its like I have gone back to Medieval England and someone has said burn the witch, burn the witch.

 

[chicowalker]

What makes you state with certainty that that is the case? So neighbors with no reason to lie are lying. Meanwhile ahern was really at choir practice.

Many people lie, even without any clear reason. Many people also convince themselves something happened without realizing it -- "eyewitnesses" have been shown to be extremely unreliable, even though they aren't actually lying (i.e., they think what they're saying is true).

 

[BigMike]

Its like I have gone back to Medieval England and someone has said burn the witch, burn the witch.

Then you should be upset with the Patriots, since they have banned him from entering team property. Why would they do that?

 

[Tunescribe]

Many people lie, even without any clear reason. Many people also convince themselves something happened without realizing it -- "eyewitnesses" have been shown to be extremely unreliable, even though they aren't actually lying (i.e., they think what they're saying is true).

I don't believe you.

 

[nowayback]

Many people lie, even without any clear reason. Many people also convince themselves something happened without realizing it -- "eyewitnesses" have been shown to be extremely unreliable, even though they aren't actually lying (i.e., they think what they're saying is true).

And.....We’ve all heard of cases of wrongful conviction–of people being freed from prison years and sometimes decades after their trial. But, did you know that in 25% of cases cleared by DNA, the defendant made admissions of guilt?

Do Innocent People Ever Confess to Crimes?

Better to let your lawyer do the talking

 

[Bruins29]

Then you should be upset with the Patriots, since they have banned him from entering team property. Why would they do that?

Well obviously it was because they think he is guilty like you do.

 

[nowayback]

I don't believe you.

Hernandez was able to access the building, but staff was waiting for him once he entered and told him he had to leave. A spokesman for the Patriots did not offer comment other than to say he had no idea why Hernandez showed up at the stadium....there were no coaches or trainers there
Read more at Aaron Hernandez Banned From Patriots Facility | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline

 

[Betterthanmost]

Then you should be upset with the Patriots, since they have banned him from entering team property. Why would they do that?

Not sure if you are serious with this question or the internet sarcasm is not working as usual.

 

[VrabelJr]

Unfortunately L/Es are taught techniques, the Reid technique (Reid technique - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) being one of the most common, that are designed to get suspects (re: not necessarily criminals) to admit guilt. I think the length of this investigation without any arrests is two things:

1- A small town PD being extremely careful not to release any information that they aren't 110% sure is true due to the amount of attention this case is being given.
2- A small town PD thinking there's a bit more to this than a homicide (gangs, drugs, etc.) and are using the time to investigate things further while keeping their cards face down.

 

[JMC00]

yes thats correct. I was making a point that AH is acting guilty. Hes lawyered up and in hiding. If he were completely innocent he would be acting differently, in my opinion. Plus he shot a guy in the face a few months ago in FL.

Would love some of our L/E members to post here. Weve got a few on this board. They can enlighten us with whats going on.

Well lawyering up is the smart thing to do when cops come to your house.

In hiding? Pretty sure he is at his house.

What do you want him to do with the media camped out in front of his house since Monday? You did see what happened when he left his house to go to Gillette right? Stopped at a gas station and was surrounded by reporters before he even turned his car off, not to mention a helicopter followed him as well.

And the whole him shooting someone in a face, it's a felon who is now back on trial for another felony that is claiming it happened, probably looking for a payday. But yea let's take that guy's word.

 

[Bruins29]

Hes lawyered up and in hiding.

Would love some of our L/E members to post here. Weve got a few on this board. They can enlighten us with whats going on.

We dont need the L/E members. We have you to keep us updated. "He is in hiding. Oh wait, he is not in hiding, I dont know what I am talking about."

Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[chicowalker]

btw, re the supposed neighbors: has anybody seen these folks on the news saying this, or is there only the report that they supposedly told the police they heard gunshots? Because if its just a report, it could be yet another false report, and there are no neighbors claiming they heard gunshots (coming from his house... at 3AM on a Monday...)

 

[shmessy]

I, like everyone else here, am watching this through the media from miles (or hundreds of miles) away. We have no way of knowing even a fraction of this case.

I can't imagine going through life with the automatic certitude that Big Mike has.

I am in awe.

 

[JMC00]

btw, re the supposed neighbors: has anybody seen these folks on the news saying this, or is there only the report that they supposedly told the police they heard gunshots? Because if its just a report, it could be yet another false report, and there are no neighbors claiming they heard gunshots (coming from his house... at 3AM on a Monday...)

I believe the only place to report it was FOX25 and it was from Bob Ward's sources. And everyone else that has reported it has cited FOX25

I also believe he is still the only one that reported Hernandez was caught on camera walking into his house after the shooting happened. Although I might be wrong on that.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Drug dealing is by far the most plausible considering what little we know, but still wildly speculative as he could be completely oblivious to Mr Lloyd's whereabouts when they aren't together.

Its a reasonable response by law enforcement to try and lean on Hernandez with scare tactics or whatever they can say to rattle him. Leak false info to the press, search the house repeatedly, break things etc. Doesn't mean he knows anything but they have to exhaust every option for their case and he has the most to lose from this.

Here is an alternative theory, if we are speculating. They are doing a reasonable, careful murder investigation in a high profile case. Everyone in the process knows that every warrant application and bit of evidence will be scrutinized on CNN. They know interviewing Hernandez is a waste of time, because he has lawyered up. He won't say a word. They will be careful. Every decision will be made not by detectives on the line but their bosses. A senior member of the AG's office already is assigned. Many prosecutors like to be on tv, but not if it's because they screwed up.

In a highly pressurized environment they convinced a judge there was probable cause to believe there was murder evidence in the house. That is a bad fact. They have evidence, and now they will do what police do. They will test dna. They will try to recover things from computers or camera memory sticks or whatever else they have. They will read documents. They will see if it leads to other sources of evidence and execute other warrants as necessary. And they will do it very methodically. Not like on tv dramas. Plodding some might say, because they will be required to prove chain of custody and authenticate everything along the way.

And if they get enough to have probable cause to believe Hernandez or anyone else commited a crime, they will arrest him or go to a grand jury and indict him (or whatever MA calls indictments). They may get a warrant or they may not. They may let him voluntarily report or they may not. (If it is a murder charge, likely not.). They will likely not publicly identify him as a target on a serious charge until they arrest him, because he has money and is a flight risk. It could take 1 day or 1 year to complete the process.

If we are speculating, this is my guess what is happening. The notion that they are getting judges in a high profile murder case to issue speculative high-flying warrants to try to sweat a lawyered-up man of means is also a theory. Where I sit it doesn't pass the smell test.