Welker reportedly has 'mild disdain for Pats right now' per Yahoo, 3/05

[borg]

Giardi - CSNNE:

According to the source, the two sides have come to the understanding that they are far better with one another than without.

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Are you kidding me......What player's agent would ever take the position that his client is "better with one another than without."

Nothing like tossing leverage out the window and showing vulnerability. I think Giardi has interjected some touchy feely hogwash into his reporting. Wes went nuclear last year but this year he "needs the Patriots"???? Total gibberish

 

[BrickPat]

All the local guys are hearing that a deal between the Pats and Welker is almost imminent (Curran, Bedard, and Reiss) yet a national guy like Cole is saying Welker is still mad at the Patriots. I don't know if I am buying this one.

Welker may have been frustrated that he wasn't more involved at but that's not the same as disdaining the coach/team. It's not like he ever publicly whined like a Keyshawn back in the day.

I'm glad WW has the fire to be out there and the smarts not to act like a diva when it doesn't happen.

 

[Deus Irae]

Nope I do. Take what people are willing to pay for your services. To ***** and moan about making not enough when they already get such an absurd amount of money for playing a f'n game is ridiculous though. People in this country are having a hard time finding work, let alone putting food on the table for their families yet athletes feel unappreciated making 6, 8 or even 10 million a year. F them.

People making $50K feel unappreciated when there are others only making $10k. Screw them too. Nobody should be allowed to make more than anyone else. :bricks:

 

[borg]

Seen the Bowe contract......gettin paid handsomely....$36 mill over 3 years with $26 guaranteed....then two more salary years totaling another $19.5. Why on earth would WW settle for this $8 mill/ number being floated. Do people really think he thinks its OK to earn $4 mill/year less than Bowe

 

[Nunchucks]

Seen the Bowe contract......gettin paid handsomely....$36 mill over 3 years with $26 guaranteed....then two more salary years totaling another $19.5. Why on earth would WW settle for this $8 mill/ number being floated. Do people really think he thinks its OK to earn $4 mill/year less than Bowe

Welker is old, Bowe is young. Bowe can run block, he is physical, fast,land can out jump DBs. Welker is quick, tiny and a precise route runner.

Different skill sets get paid different amounts of money

 

[signbabybrady]

Seen the Bowe contract......gettin paid handsomely....$36 mill over 3 years with $26 guaranteed....then two more salary years totaling another $19.5. Why on earth would WW settle for this $8 mill/ number being floated. Do people really think he thinks its OK to earn $4 mill/year less than Bowe

A better question might be should the Chiefs have gone that high and would anyone else have gone that high?

I agree that Wes shuold make more than Bowe but I dont think either should be north of 10 mil or even north of 8 mil.

 

[Nunchucks]

Bowe is a playmaker, Wes Welker is a chain mover.

 

[borg]

Bowe is a playmaker, Wes Welker is a chain mover.

Which "playmaker" had the highest YAC in the NFL. Which "playmaker" has 7 years of over the top consistency and which one has one great year under his belt.

Desperate teams make foolish decisions and too often ticket sales trump sound team building judgement. KC has just joined Arizona and Detroit in the "lets give fans something to cheer about" category.

 

[PrairiePat]

Bowe is a playmaker, Wes Welker is a chain mover.

Isn't moving the chains a play? I'd venture to say it's one of the most important ones, even. If we had a whole team full of lowly chain-movers, I suspect we'd be doing pretty well.

Welker is a pass catching, chain moving machine. I don't think those guys grow on trees, like some of you here do.

The only reason he's less valuable less than Bowe is his age. He will become increasingly injury-prone as he gets older; that can be proven statistically. He'll slow down a bit too. So you ding him for that. But moving the chains is an invaluable skill that is every bit as important as someone who can (maybe) take the top off the defense.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Seen the Bowe contract......gettin paid handsomely....$36 mill over 3 years with $26 guaranteed....then two more salary years totaling another $19.5. Why on earth would WW settle for this $8 mill/ number being floated. Do people really think he thinks its OK to earn $4 mill/year less than Bowe

Because production is a big part of the context but not all of it. Purely in terms of production Welker would command over 100 milion for 8 years, but the other factors involved mitigate those numbers to some degree, and this is why I have been saying that Welker is going to be the best value of any player in free agency. Welker's numbers are as good as anyone in football, but unfortunately for him his "money"' contract is really his 3rd, not his second, when he would be in his mid twenties and age wouldn't play into the equation. In Welker's case he is on his 3rd contract, which for WR is closer to the legacy contract and not just the big money contract. Welker is 31 and will finish his deal at 36-37, and most WR's are pretty much done at that point. Welker may not be but he would be the exception and not the rule. The Patriots can pay Welker top dollar for the next few years with little risk, but don't want to be tied to a mega deal when he is 36, so a deal that has a lower total value but still pays him among the top receivers is what he really should be looking for, and a 5 year, 40 million, with 20 guaranteed deal accomplishes all the necessary goals for both sides. Welker is a better player than Dwayne Bowe, no question about it, they aren't in the same class, but the Patriots aren't required to overpay him because the jets overpaid Holmes and the Chef's overpaid Bowe.


I'm probably the biggest Welker supporter on this board but even i don't think the patriots should go 7 years 75 million. He may have earned a deal like that purely in terms of his production but the other factors come into play and a deal that pays him 8 million and pretty much guarantees him 30 million plus is fair for both sides. 5/40/20 would achieve that in his first 2 years and the end of the deal would mean little risk overall for NE.

 

[Nunchucks]

Re: Welker mild disdain for Pats right now

Which "playmaker" had the highest YAC in the NFL. Which "playmaker" has 7 years of over the top consistency and which one has one great year under his belt.

Desperate teams make foolish decisions and too often ticket sales trump sound team building judgement. KC has just joined Arizona and Detroit in the "lets give fans something to cheer about" category.

Welker catches the ball in space across the middle based on combination routes designed to get him free. Dwayne Bowe has to make plays on DBs.

Wes Welker has Tom BRady, HoF QB, arguably the best QB to ever play the game throwing him the ball, Dwayne Bowe has ???? throwing him the ball.

Dwayne Bowe's coaches were fired last year, Wes Welker's coaching staff has been running the same system for 11 years..

Are you done making silly comparisons?

 

[patfanken]

Re: Welker mild disdain for Pats right now

Wes is just the latest in a long line of really good players who have to jump through hoops to get a fair deal with the Patriots.
It's so tiresome and so unnecessary.
Let's see Belichick play hardball when he has a .500 team and no Brady. Players will laugh in his face as they line up to run for free agency.
Interesting that the Welker camp would put this out right now.
Not sure how to read this re: Patriot contract negotiations.

Don't take this personally Rhody, but I am SOOOOOOOO tired of this sorry whine from those who would pay their favorite players whatever they want. If we followed that flawed logic, MAYBE we'd have a competitive team once or twice a decade, but nothing nearly like the EVERY YEAR we get now by making those players "jump through hoops"

The fact is that players on successful teams get paid a premium to the market, and if you attempt to "pay" all those players you won't have a successful team, so it won't matter any more. How many more years and examples of this absolute fact do we have to see before it eventually sinks in. Hard decisions have to be made and you can't keep everyone.

Do you really think that the Pats aren't going to have a top 5 offense with or without Wes Welker?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Bowe is a playmaker, Wes Welker is a chain mover.

He made so many plays they have the first pick in the draft.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Re: Welker mild disdain for Pats right now

Are you done making silly comparisons?

No doubt, anyone trying to say Bowe is as good as Welker is making a silly comparison.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Re: Welker mild disdain for Pats right now

Don't take this personally Rhody, but I am SOOOOOOOO tired of this sorry whine from those who would pay their favorite players whatever they want.

Except no one is saying that and you are just making sh.t up Ken. The Welker supporters are calling for an extremely reasonable deal, not 100 million plus. Unfortunately many patriot fans want their best players to play for pennies on the dollar, and while that's not surprising for fans it is surprising for those who know something about football.

 

[JackBauer]

Like light to the flies...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Re: Welker mild disdain for Pats right now

Don't take this personally Rhody, but I am SOOOOOOOO tired of this sorry whine from those who would pay their favorite players whatever they want. If we followed that flawed logic, MAYBE we'd have a competitive team once or twice a decade, but nothing nearly like the EVERY YEAR we get now by making those players "jump through hoops"

The fact is that players on successful teams get paid a premium to the market, and if you attempt to "pay" all those players you won't have a successful team, so it won't matter any more. How many more years and examples of this absolute fact do we have to see before it eventually sinks in. Hard decisions have to be made and you can't keep everyone.

Do you really think that the Pats aren't going to have a top 5 offense with or without Wes Welker?

BTW ken, you are the one who claimed 30 million was way to much for Welker but then turned around and wanted them to give Vollmer 32 for 4 and pay Talib big money, so apparently big money is fine when it is the players you want.

 

[Nunchucks]

He made so many plays they have the first pick in the draft.

Is your contention that good/great players cannot play on crappy teams?

 

[Nunchucks]

Re: Welker mild disdain for Pats right now

No doubt, anyone trying to say Bowe is as good as Welker is making a silly comparison.

I am saying they are different players that do different things well, thus they should be compensated at different levels.

 

[patfanken]

Re: Welker mild disdain for Pats right now

Except no one is saying that and you are just making sh.t up Ken. The Welker supporters are calling for an extremely reasonable deal, not 100 million plus. Unfortunately many patriot fans want their best players to play for pennies on the dollar, and while that's not surprising for fans it is surprising for those who know something about football.

THat's how far your mania goes. It's made you forget howto read. NO ONE is making ***** up. Read what Rhody said. He was tired of the Patriots making players "jump through hoops", and implies by doing so, they have doomed themselves to mediocrity. THAT's what I commented on.

You are so far gone that anyone who dares to say anything even mildly critical of Wes, becomes an unmitigated hater in your biased eyes. My post had very little to do with Welker except in the broadest sense that he's seeking to maximize his contract like many have before him. Reasonable conversation with you is impossible. Lord knows I have tried.

BTW- "Welker supporters" are talking about a contract in excess of $10MM/.yr in real money for the next 3 years. Forget about the last year or 2, whick likely end up being fluff and/or cap control. That's simply more than the Pats are going to want to pay for a slot receiver who will only catch 118 passes this season if Gronk, Hernandez, and Edelman/FA/draft pick miss a large proportion of their games.....again.

BTW- I'm not sure exactly how much Welker has made in the 6 years he's been a Patriot. I think its around $36MM though it might be as little as $27MM. I remember reading the $27MM number but I don't know if it included last season's $9.3. Regardless Welker has averaged between five and six million dollars a year over his career with the Pats. I'd be surprised if there were more than 10 other receivers who averaged more over the same period, certainly ZERO slot receivers.

Welker has been paid very well to "do his job", and he's done it well. And if resigned, they will play him even more over the next few years because of it. But they are NOT going to overpay him, and that's what paying $10MM+./yr would be. I won't be surprised if the Pats re-sign Welker, I will be shocked if gets anything close to what Ivan is proposing, once the "real numbers" are broken down a few days after the contract is announced.