* Ye Olde 2013 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[manxman2601]

I haven't read through all of these mock pages and or seen reports on when he might go but where is Barrett Jones slated to go? He would be my pick if he isn't going really high. Usually inside O-lineman don't go as high as skilled players or LT's. He is extremely smart, can play both C and G and would give us flexibility on the line. Seeing as i haven't seen much in the last page or so of this thread I believe he will either go too high for us or people just don't want to draft an interior lineman.

He's not very athletic which isn't a great fit for the Patriots. You are not alone though, there's plenty on here that like him a lot. He's a late first or second rounder so he falls in range but I'm not convinced he's a great fit athletically.

 

[manxman2601]

I think the loss to the Ravens highlighted 3 areas in which we have personnel deficiencies. I have said for 3 years I think we need more depth at WR and once again that was exposed in a big game. I have been a little disapointed with Lloyd this year, although he has had his moments. I just don't think he has gotten open enough down the field or over the middle to make an impact. I also don't like the amount of time he spends on the ground. I get the feeling he tries to make a catch look good that trying to get YAC. I think we need at least 2 WR's, (3 if we don't re-sign Welker). I have always had a preference for bigger receivers, but I think now we need a play-making WR and a big, physical WR.

Another weakness I saw was the safety play, especially Gregory. I'll give the CB's some slack because of Dowling going on IR and Talib having injury issues. I also think McCourty will develop with a full offseason and training camp as a Safety. But I think the other starting spot definitely needs to be upgraded and I think the lack of confidence in our safeties has had a major impact on our defense. I think a lack of confidence/trust in the back of the secondary means we are forced to play a much more conservative defensive style with less room for exotic blitzes because we are forced to keep two guys back. I think a playmaking safety would do wonders for this defense.

The 3rd area I think we need to improve for next season is the defensive front 4. We simply haven't been able to get consistent pressure with just 4 guys, especially when Chandler Jones was out of the lineup. I love Ninko but I think he's most valuable using his versatility rather than just a pure down DE. We also need more pressure from the interior DL, especially on 3rd down where we have had trouble.

Having said that, this is what I would like to see with the draft and free agency right now.

Re-Sign
WR- Welker
CB- Talib
RT- Vollmer
WR- Edelman

Sign
DL- Armond Armstead
I think this is the key move as a guy who can play as a base 4-3 DE and move inside on passing downs. Everyone wants this guy so I would pay to make sure we get him.

Trades
1(29) to Minn for 2(52) + 3(83) + 4(117)
Could really be any team around that area, Minny just matches up points wise and has and extra 4th.

3(91) to Cle for 4(101) + 5(132)
Just maneuvering for an extra pick

2(52)- WR- Justin Hunter- Tennessee (53- CBS)
Normally I don't go for the raw, high upside WR, but if Hunter is available in the mid 2nd I would jump all over him. He has the highest athletic upside of any WR since Calvin Johnson, and has an elite combination of speed, length and ball skills. His style reminds me of a combination of AJ Green and Randy Moss (I said style not comparing skills) and the way he attacks the ball down the field reminds me of Torrey Smith. He is only a year removed from a serious knee injury so he still isn't back to 100% yet, but his upside is immense. He can certainly be the deep threat people have been calling for for years, but could also be so much more. This is a deep WR class so I would also be happy with Terrence Williams or Cordarrelle Patterson here.

2(59)- WR- Da'Rick Rogers- Tennessee Tech (59)
This is assuming his character checks out, if not I also really like Markus Wheaton, Robert Woods or a small trade back for Cobi Hamilton. Rogers is the physical target I would like to see us add on the outside to add some toughness to our WR core. I love his route versatility and competitiveness on the field. He is a real football guy so I think he could really benefit from being part of this Organization.

3(83)- DT- Bennie Logan- LSU (131)
Should definitely be rated higher than 131 (CBS) so I will put him here. Its a deep DT class so he could fall, if so he would be a steal here. He is very strong against the run despite his average size, but he has a strong anchor and uses his hands well. He has long arms and is able to keep lineman away from his body and has violent hands to disengage to make a play. As a pass rusher he is still untapped potential, but there is some skill there.

4(101)- S- TJ McDonald- USC (105)
Last year he was a fringe 1st round talent, now I think he is one of the most underrated players in the draft. One thing that really annoys me is blanked comparisons of player just because they played for the same team. McDonald gets the Taylor Mays comparison all the time and I don't think that is fair. The are both big, athletic hitters, but McDonald is so much more than that. He is the leader of the USC defense and was named Team Captain as a Junior. He has a good pedigree (Father Tim was a 6 time All Pro Safety) and is very instinctive and experienced. I love his play-making ability, although he will need to play with more control in the NFL (he has had a few helmet to helmet penalties the last 2 years). Overall I love this kid and what he could bring to this defense.

4(117)- OL- Terron Armstead- Arkansas-Pine Bluff (178)
Okay, I'm sold. Obviously a favorite on here and I can see why. Love not only his athletic ability, but he seems to have very good fundamentals. I don't think you could ask for a better blank canvas to give to Dante. I think he has potential as both a OT and OG.

5(132)- TE- Michael Williams- Alabama (193)
Gotta fit my Binkie in there. I really like Hoomawa.... but I think Williams would be a solid upgrade. I've already given my opinion on Williams a thousand times so I won't bore you anymore.

7(202)- DL- Damion Square- Alabama (533)
Another binkie, I think Square has an NFL future. I like him as a base LE while shifting inside on passing downs. At worst he is camp depth and competition on the DL.

7(219)- LB- Kenny Tate- Maryland (340)
A former board binkie that has really been hit by injury the last few years. Why not take a shot late in the 7th.


I am also banking on the development of some of our young guys. I hope Jones, Hightower and Dennard can continue to develop and avoid a sophmore slump. I am also looking for Bequette, Dowling and Francis to step up and contribute. I have been a big fan of Marcus Forston for many years and if he can stay healthy and live up to his potential, he could be a very good interior sub rusher for us.

Good job. I know your preference for big athletic WR's, but I will say this. The best WR in this draft is DeAndre Hopkins. He might not be the most athletic or the fastest but he is NFL ready out of the box. Fantastic hands, fantastic routes and cuts and amazing body control. If we want a Boldin type, he's the one.

That's a very nice high upside mock though. I'm not too keen on McDonald and I personally would have Kasa rather than Williams (I know he's an ever present binky for you) but other than that, a really nice job.

 

[UofApatsfan]

I'd be all for drafting a WR but I don't trust this team's track record at drafting receivers. This team has a 2-3 year window before Brady starts considering retirement and needs a receiver who can contribute asap. Taking one in the draft is too risky when Brady is turning 36. Maybe a few years ago, but the ship has sailed on drafting a receiver who can be a significant weapon for Brady.

There are 2 significant needs that imo the draft can't be counted on to address immediately. The aforementioned outside receiver and a safety next to McCourty who's physical, not undersized, and can call plays as a veteran leader. Steve Gregory is a smart player who usually makes the right play on the ball but is too slow to get there in time. Like it or not, this team fears Bernard Pollard and he affects how they play. He's a dirty POS who I would love to see get run over by a car, but we don't have anyone like him at safety.

Keep:
Aquib Talib - He's the biggest priority this off season unless Patricia gets fired and BB finds a coordinator who's comfortable rushing more than 4 players with Talib off the field. Since that's not happening...
S. Vollmer - I could see a scenario where he's leaving as several teams are entering free agency with horrific offensive lines and tons of cap space, but Cannon has been too unimpressive for this not to be a priority.
Julian Edelman - won't cost too much and made strides this year
Dane Fletcher - it would have been nice having a linebacker who could cover this year
Jake Ballard - it also would have been nice to have a 3rd tight end who threatened defenses this year
Marquice Cole - He's a special teams stud and wasn't a terrible corner, just shouldn't be guarding someone as good as Boldin.
Donte Stallworth - another guy who will come cheap as a reserve receiver Brady has some chemistry with

Let go:
Danny Woodhead - Vereen's emergence and Demps coming back makes this an obvious move
Patrick Chung - another 1st/2nd round pick used in the secondary bites the dust. Pretty much expected. Too bad he could never stay healthy.
Wes Welker - regardless of what some people say, letting Welker leave will make the team worse but it's a financial move. They need a receiver who plays on the outside and they've already committed money to receivers who play on the inside.
Kyle Arrington - again, regardless of what some people say, letting Arrington go makes the worse but it's a financial move. My tune on this changes depending on the offers he gets from other teams but I expect he gets a $5-6M a year offer or more which isn't something NE can match.
Tracy White - probably wouldn't have made the roster last year if Fletcher stayed healthy
Deion Branch - has nothing left
Trevor Scott - Did nothing impressive this year to warrant being kept
Ron Brace - he hasn't put it together yet, which means he isn't going to with this team and the only thing that can help him is a change of scenery.

Cut:
Daniel Fells - no brainer decision

Free agency:
Greg Jennings - Call it pie in the sky, I don't care. He isn't gonna get the money he wants after the last two seasons he's had. If it requires a long term deal that hurts the post-Brady future, so be it. This team needs to do everything it can to milk the next 2-3 years. I know Belichick doesn't mortgage the future for the short term, but that logic shouldn't apply when you have a HOF QB who's window is closing.
Kenny Phillips - This maybe is another pipe dream, but he's coming off an injury plagued season so his value is down, and the Giants' defense imploding after his injury is something that went under the radar. Just like signing a #1 outside threat, signing a safety who can fill the leadership void in the secondary and fit well next to McCourty is something that I would mortgage the future for.
Jason Jones - Seattle - With Brace gone they need a 4th big body regardless and it might as well be someone who can play a defined role from the start. Jason Jones is the passing down sub who imo fits next to Wilfork, Love and Deaderick nicely.

Mock Draft:
1st round: Xavier Rhodes, Florida State - Yes, another 1st rounder spent on a corner. It's still a need and it's a position that's had significant contributions from rookies on this team in recent years. It's not a pick for the long term, it's a big corner who isn't too much of a reach and won't be needed in a leadership role this year. Rhodes is a solid cover corner with the size to play safety.
2nd round: Barrett Jones or DJ Fluker, Alabama - My preference is Jones but I doubt he's there so Fluker if not. Given the serious possibility that Vollmer might be leaving, or the possibility that the depth behind Vollmer/Solder gets tested next year, and the fact both players have flexibility, I think this move provides immediate depth and a possible upgrade to Wendell at C if Jones is drafted. This doesn't fill a need but it adds depth to an O-line that is probably losing a key reserve (Thomas) and possibly a good starter (Vollmer).
3rd round: Jelani Jenkins, Florida - This might be a pipe dream to expect him here. Others have him too for obvious reasons, he's a natural 4-3 OLB and has the speed our current linebackers lack. Isn't an every down player but definitely has contributions to make.
7th round: Dan Buckner, Arizona - Kind of a homer pick, but a physical freak who had character issues early on off the field and never had stability on the field. When he came to Arizona he couldn't run any routes and that's improved a lot in 2 years, which is why I like him. He picked him 2 different offenses relatively quickly.


So the ideal 53 man roster:

Offense (25):
QB: Brady, Mallett (2)
RB: Ridley, Vereen, Bolden, Demps (4)
TE: Gronk, Hernandez, Ballard, Hooma (4)
WR: Jennings, Lloyd, Edelman, Stallworth, Buckner, Slater (6)
OT: Solder, Vollmer, Cannon, Zusevics (4)
OG: Mankins, Connolly, McDonald (3)
C: Jones, Wendell (2)

Defense (25):
NT: Wilfork, Love (2)
DT: Deaderick, Jones (2)
DE: Jones, Ninkovich, Francis, Bequette, Cunningham (5)
LB: Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Fletcher, Jenkins, Koutouvides (6)
CB: Talib, Dennard, Rhodes, Dowling, Cole (5)
S: McCourty, Phillips, Gregory, Wilson, Ebner (5)

Special teams (3):
LS: Aiken
K: Gostkowski
P :Mesko

 

[Sciz]

I'm pretty sure that Talib, Vollmer, Jennings, and Phillips alone would put the Pats over the cap

 

[EwanSellars]

if we sign armond armstead do you guys still see DT as a huge need i think if we get armond we can make DT a 3rd or even our 7th round pick.

 

[Wilfork#75]

if we sign armond armstead do you guys still see DT as a huge need i think if we get armond we can make DT a 3rd or even our 7th round pick.

If we were to sign him and he is the player we are being led to believe (he flashed the potential at USC but I've only seen highlights in the CFL), then I think the need at DT is greatly lessened. I am fine with our DT play now on first and second down, they are fantastic against the run. The issue is getting pressure on 3rd down and obvious passing situations. If he can be that explosive penetrator on 3rd down I wouldn't make DT a huge draft priority, just a position of opportunity.

 

[ATippett56]

ATippett56 NFL Week 20 Mock Draft Special

Note: Subject to change in future weeks (due to NFLDraftScout revised rankings)

Trade New England Patriots first round draft pick to the Cincinnati Bengals for a second round draft pick (originally from the Oakland Raiders), a fourth round draft pick, and a sixth round draft pick (originally from New England Patriots).

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Order

2nd Round - Jordan Poyer, CB - Oregon State
2nd Round - Bennie Logan, DT - LSU
3rd Round - Tony Jefferson, FS - Oklahoma or D.J. Swearinger, FS - South Carolina
4th Round - Brennan Williams, OT - North Carolina
6th Round - Jonathan Cyprien, SS - Florida International
7th Round - Josh Johnson, CB - Purdue
7th Round - Kapron Lewis-Moore, DT - Notre Dame (IR candidate)

Contingencies:

4th Round - Brian Winters, OT - Kent State or Rick Wagner, OT - Wisconsin
6th Round - Earl Wolff, SS - North Carolina State or Rashard Hall, FS - Clemson

Comments:

Jordan Poyer, D.J. Swearinger, Kapron Lewis-Moore were defensive team captains for their respective collegiate football programs.

Sign unrestricted free agent Corey Williams, veteran defensive tackle from the Detriot Lions, to a one year veteran minimum contract with a $25,000 roster bonus and a $25,000 workout bonus. With the aforementioned draft selection and unrestricted free agent signing, the New England Patriots defensive tackles under contract during next season's training camp are denoted below:

Vince Wilfork
Kyle Love
Brandon Deaderick
Myron Pryor
Bennie Logan
Corey Williams (veteran insurance in case of injury)
Marcus Forston (if signed to a reserve/futures contract)

No comment on the Armond Armstead (DT - Toronto Argonauts) situation until the defensive lineman actually signs with a NFL Franchise.

2013 UDFAs (training camp fodder/potential 53 man roster sleepers)

Jordan Rodgers, QB - Vanderbilt
D.J. Harper, RB - Boise State
Zac Stacy, RB - Vanderbilt
Michal Rivera, TE - Tennessee
Ryan Griffin, TE - Connecticut
Keenan Davis, WR - Iowa
Emery Blake, WR - Auburn
Chad Bumphis, WR - Mississippi State
Matt Stankiewitch, OC/OG - Penn State
Chris Barker, OG - Nevada
Tanner Hawkinson, OT - Kansas
Aldrick Fordham, DE - South Carolina
A.J. Francis, DT - Maryland
Jake Knott, OLB - Iowa State
Steve Williams, CB - California
Nigel Malone, CB - Kansas State
Devin Smith, CB - Wisconsin
Melvin White, CB - La.-Lafayette
Brandon Bishop, FS - North Carolina State
Rontez Miles, FS - California (PA)

Note: All 2013 UDFAs currently ranked lower than 254 by NFLDraftScout.

 

[manxman2601]

Getting a look at the Senior Bowl and other pre-draft Bowl games has helped focus my thinking a little before the draft.


Re-sign Talib and Vollmer

Sign Armond Armstead (I'm sold).

Possibly re-sign Welker, Edelman, Arrington, Woodhead in that order depending on cap space available.

Draft


1. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA




Just one look at his Senior Bowl practice showed just how explosive a prospect he is. His experience at UCLA playing both DE and DT as well as two gapping should mean that he'll, at least, be of interest to BB. I see him playing LDE in the base package and shifting inside in sub. We're well stocked at LDE but as we spend most of our tie in the sub package, Jones will be playing inside anyway. His explosivity should give us a legitimate penetrative threat inside.


2. Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State





There's plenty of 2nd round WR's that I like but Wheaton combines skill-sets that both satisfy what the Patriots look for from their receivers, but also what they're lacking (deep speed). Not only is Wheaton a threat to go deep, he's got the short area quickness that the Patriots like and he's an accomplished route-runner and catcher. He isn't the biggest or the strongest, but in the Patriots offense, that's what the TE's are for. Wheaton could become the #2 guy alongside Welker earlier rather than later, relegating Lloyd's inability to gain YAC to the Deoin Branch 3rd receiver role.


3. Trade.


I'm trading back here. I'm not going to predict with whom. Suffice to say, I'm looking to pick up a 4th and a couple of 6th round picks by moving around sufficiently....cop out (cough)...


4. Leon McFadden, CB, SDSU



In my view he's the best cover corner in the draft. His lack of ideal height means he doesn't stand out or project that highly but in both zone and man coverage, he's very hard to get open against. Adding McFadden gives us a CB grouping of Talib, Dennard, Mcfadden and possibly Arrington id re-signed. That's some nice depth and means that Dowling could transition to safety if healthy.


6A. Terron Armstead, OT/OG, Arkansas Pine-Bluff




I'm so glad he stood out at Shrine game practices as it means that his incredibly athletic skillset potentially translates to the pros. Of the linemen I've watched so far, only Jon Cooper has quicker feet than Armstead in my eyes. Armstead's 32" arms may mean he moves inside to OG but that's okay. If I can't have Jon Cooper at OG, I'll settle for Dante coaching up this bundle of athletic upside.


6B. Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado



According to NFLDraftScout, the lower end of his predicted 40 time is slightly faster than Gronkowski. He's bigger than both Gronk and Michael Williams who many like as a blocking TE and his athleticism offers serious upside. Any Redzone issues in the playoffs would be easily overcome by having Gronk, Kasa, Ballard lining up in whatever combination. Who needs WR's?


7A Garrett Gilkey, OL, Chadron State



Another small school OL I liked early who's getting more attention now (Senior Bowl invite). "Angry Beast" describes him best. His highlight reel was just a collection of him putting DL's on their backside, this guy knows how to finish blocks.


7B Jake Knott, LB, Iowa State





Knott was one half of an outstanding ILB tandem at Iowa State with AJ Klein until an injury derailed his season. Knott is the pick because he's an excellent coverage LB which is still a hole that needs to be filled.


UFA's

From:

Kapron Lewis-Moore, DL, Notre Dame
Mark Harrison, WR, Rutgers
Philip Lutzenkirchen, TE, Auburn
Quanterus Smith, DE, Western Kentucky
John Boyett, FS, Oregon
Mike Catapano, DE, Priceton
Caraun Reed, DT, Princeton
Emory Blake, WR, Auburn
MarQueis Gray, TE, Minnesota
Luke Marquardt, OT, Asuza Pacific
Nik Embernate, OG, San Diego State
DJ Hayden, CB, Houston
Malcolm Bronson, FS, McNeese State

 

[Wilfork#75]

I like it manxman. I would love to pair Jones and Armstead on the D-line, it would certainly upgrade the pass rush. I think a 3rd down front 4 of Chandler Jones-Armstead-Datone Jones-Bequette/Ninko would be fantastic. I consider Armstead and D. Jones as similar players who are probably best suited as base LDE and shift inside on passing downs, but I don't see a problem with having both. Depth, versatility, explosiveness, I love it.

My only concern would be only drafting 1 WR, especially if we don't make re-signing Welker a priority. I know our base offense is 2WR 2TE, but I don't think that matters, we need much greater depth and versatility at WR and Wheaton is a good start. The only other thing is I think Terron Armstead will go much higher than the 6th round, possibly even as high as the 2nd. But I would still love the pick even if he was a late 3rd/4th rounder.

The only other thing I would like to see is 1 guy added to the UDFA list. Carson Tinker, long-snapper from Alabama. I think Danny Aiken has been a bit shaky and can certainly be upgraded and Tinker is the best in the draft. I wouldn't even mind if we used that late 7th round pick on him.

Great job!

 

[manxman2601]

I like it manxman. I would love to pair Jones and Armstead on the D-line, it would certainly upgrade the pass rush. I think a 3rd down front 4 of Chandler Jones-Armstead-Datone Jones-Bequette/Ninko would be fantastic. I consider Armstead and D. Jones as similar players who are probably best suited as base LDE and shift inside on passing downs, but I don't see a problem with having both. Depth, versatility, explosiveness, I love it.

My only concern would be only drafting 1 WR, especially if we don't make re-signing Welker a priority. I know our base offense is 2WR 2TE, but I don't think that matters, we need much greater depth and versatility at WR and Wheaton is a good start. The only other thing is I think Terron Armstead will go much higher than the 6th round, possibly even as high as the 2nd. But I would still love the pick even if he was a late 3rd/4th rounder.

The only other thing I would like to see is 1 guy added to the UDFA list. Carson Tinker, long-snapper from Alabama. I think Danny Aiken has been a bit shaky and can certainly be upgraded and Tinker is the best in the draft. I wouldn't even mind if we used that late 7th round pick on him.

Great job!

I'd have liked to get another WR in there but unfortunately, all the best ones are in the second round and I don't like the later round one's more than I do the linemen and TE. I did a couple of safe but not spectacular ones as UFAs but in reality, I think we'll re-sign at least one of Welker/Edelman.

I suppose there is a little redundancy with both Jones and Armstead but the first round choices are thinning for me (Cooper/J. Williams/Ansah) will be gone before we pick and I don't really like any of the other DT's that high and didn't want to take two WR's with the first two picks. Datone Jones really impressed me in practice yesterday and I really just wanted to reflect that.

Edit: Marquise Goodwin and Ace Sanders might work as 6th or 7th round receivers. Would give us PR capability as well as speed at the WR position.

 

[Wilfork#75]

I'd have liked to get another WR in there but unfortunately, all the best ones are in the second round and I don't like the later round one's more than I do the linemen and TE. I did a couple of safe but not spectacular ones as UFAs but in reality, I think we'll re-sign at least one of Welker/Edelman.

I suppose there is a little redundancy with both Jones and Armstead but the first round choices are thinning for me (Cooper/J. Williams/Ansah) will be gone before we pick and I don't really like any of the other DT's that high and didn't want to take two WR's with the first two picks. Datone Jones really impressed me in practice yesterday and I really just wanted to reflect that.

Edit: Marquise Goodwin and Ace Sanders might work as 6th or 7th round receivers. Would give us PR capability as well as speed at the WR position.

Could you imagine if the Mallett to Cle for the 6th pick rumor were true. Trade back a bit from 6 to the mid 1st and get an extra 2nd, then draft
1a- DE- Ansah
1b- DE/DT- D.Jones
2a- WR (Hunter, Williams, Rogers, Patterson)
2b. WR- Wheaton

It might seem like overkill on the DL, but I would love to copy what the Giants do. Imagine a DL with:
DE- C. Jones, Ansah, Ninko, Bequette, Francis
DT- Wilfork, Love, Deaderick, Forston
DE/DT- Armstead, D.Jones

WOW! If only Mike Lombardi were that stupid

 

[manxman2601]

Could you imagine if the Mallett to Cle for the 6th pick rumor were true. Trade back a bit from 6 to the mid 1st and get an extra 2nd, then draft
1a- DE- Ansah
1b- DE/DT- D.Jones
2a- WR (Hunter, Williams, Rogers, Patterson)
2b. WR- Wheaton

It might seem like overkill on the DL, but I would love to copy what the Giants do. Imagine a DL with:
DE- C. Jones, Ansah, Ninko, Bequette, Francis
DT- Wilfork, Love, Deaderick, Forston
DE/DT- Armstead, D.Jones

WOW! If only Mike Lombardi were that stupid

That would be special.

Dream scenario for me would be:

1. Cle trades #6 outright for Mallett.

2. Rams trade both firsts for Fisher.

Draft:

J. Cooper, Ziggy, DeAndre Hopkins, Wheaton, McFadden. If somehow we can add Dysert, then that would be The dream draft

And if BB didn't want 2 receivers that high, Datone Jones or Te'o instead of Hopkins.

 

[TriplecHamp]

That would be special.

Dream scenario for me would be:

1. Cle trades #6 outright for Mallett.

2. Rams trade both firsts for Fisher.

Draft:

J. Cooper, Ziggy, DeAndre Hopkins, Wheaton, McFadden. If somehow we can add Dysert, then that would be The dream draft

And if BB didn't want 2 receivers that high, Datone Jones or Te'o instead of Hopkins.

 

[manxman2601]

Are you saying it won't happen or you don't want it too? If the former, well duh! That's why it was called a "dream" scenario.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Are you saying it won't happen or you don't want it too? If the former, well duh! That's why it was called a "dream" scenario.

look at the name I bolded.

 

[manxman2601]

look at the name I bolded.

Aah. Missed that. sorry.


Just think he might represent decent value at the bottom of the first. I'm not sure Spikes will get re-signed and Te'o would upgrade our pass defense from the LB's whilst still having the size BB likes at the position. I'm not bothered particularly about him, just could see it happening in that rather hopeful scenario.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Could you imagine if the Mallett to Cle for the 6th pick rumor were true. Trade back a bit from 6 to the mid 1st and get an extra 2nd, then draft
1a- DE- Ansah
1b- DE/DT- D.Jones
2a- WR (Hunter, Williams, Rogers, Patterson)
2b. WR- Wheaton

It might seem like overkill on the DL, but I would love to copy what the Giants do. Imagine a DL with:
DE- C. Jones, Ansah, Ninko, Bequette, Francis
DT- Wilfork, Love, Deaderick, Forston
DE/DT- Armstead, D.Jones

WOW! If only Mike Lombardi were that stupid

Holy crap I would friggin love that team.

 

[mayoclinic]

Could you imagine if the Mallett to Cle for the 6th pick rumor were true. Trade back a bit from 6 to the mid 1st and get an extra 2nd, then draft
1a- DE- Ansah
1b- DE/DT- D.Jones
2a- WR (Hunter, Williams, Rogers, Patterson)
2b. WR- Wheaton

It might seem like overkill on the DL, but I would love to copy what the Giants do. Imagine a DL with:
DE- C. Jones, Ansah, Ninko, Bequette, Francis
DT- Wilfork, Love, Deaderick, Forston
DE/DT- Armstead, D.Jones

WOW! If only Mike Lombardi were that stupid

That would be special.

Dream scenario for me would be:

1. Cle trades #6 outright for Mallett.

2. Rams trade both firsts for Fisher.

Draft:

J. Cooper, Ziggy, DeAndre Hopkins, Wheaton, McFadden. If somehow we can add Dysert, then that would be The dream draft

And if BB didn't want 2 receivers that high, Datone Jones or Te'o instead of Hopkins.

You want hallucinations? OK, here goes:

The Offseason:

1. Pats let Welker and Vollmer walk, resign Talib, Edelman, Woodhead. Hopefully they re-sign Kyle Arrington, Marquice Cole, Donald Thomas and Michael Hoomanawanui. They get Dane Fletcher back, and possibly re-sign Tracy White. They trade Steve Gregory for a 2014 mid/late round pick.

2. Pats sign DE/DT Armond Armstead.

3. Pats sign UFA WR Dwayne Bowe to a 5 year deal. They can afford one big signing if Welker and Vollmer both walk, perhaps with a bit of work. The FO decides that they need to shake things up a bit after 3 consecutive years of near misses. The Pats lose Welker's 100 catches a season but get 80 back in Bowe, who is the big, physical WR that they've lacked. Hernandez, Vereen, Woodhead, Edelman and Demps will take up the slack.

4. Pats sign FB Tony Fiammetta to a 2 year deal. The Pats still have Fiammetta's rights, since he missed the 2012 season for personal issues, and he stated that he was excited about rejoining the team for 2013.

5. Lombardi trades the #6 pick to the Pats for Mallett.

6. The Pats sign Matt Cassel to a fairly cheap contract.

7. The Pats trade #6 (1600 points)to St. Louis for #16 and #22 (1780 points).

The Draft:

16. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina. NFL DraftScout #16. Logan Mankins moves to RG. Solder and Cooper will be a very athletic left side of the line. Connolly moves back to center.

- Pats trade #22 (780 points) to Arizona for #38 and #69 (775 points).

29. DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama. NFL DraftScout #28. Vollmer's replacement. Mankins and Fluker will be a very physical right side of the line.

38. Matt Elam, S, Florida. NFL DraftScout #42. Pats get the physical enforce and playmaker in the secondary that they need. If Elam is gone, Philip Thomas could be an option.

60. Best available WR out of Hunter, Rogers, Patterson, Hopkins, Wood, Wheaton, Patton. A couple should be available. Add one of them to Bowe, Lloyd, Edelman plus the TEs and RBs and the Pats should have good options.

- Pats trade #69 for a 2014 2nd round pick.

- Pats trade #91 (135 points) to Tennessee for #104 and #135 (138 points).

104. DJ Swearinger, FS, South Carolina (NFL DraftScout #128). Rangy safety to pair with Elam and McCourty. Can also play CB.

135. William Campbell, DT, Michigan. (NFL DraftScout #218). Physical tackle with a lot of athleticism and upside, and a frame like Michael Brockers.

The Team:

QB: Brady, Cassel, Kafka
RB: Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead, Bolden, Demps
FB: Fiammetta
TE: Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ballard, Hoomanawanui
WR: Bowe, Lloyd, Edelman, rookie, Slater
OT: Solder, Fluker, Cannon, Zukevics
OG/C: Mankins, Cooper, Connolly, Wendell, Thomas/McDonald

DT: Wilfork, [Armstead], Love, Deaderick, Pryor/Forston, Campbell
DE: Jones, Armstead, Ninkovich, Cunningham, Francis, Bequette
LB: Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Fletcher, White/Koutouvides
S: McCourty, Elam, Wilson, Swearinger, Ebner
CB: Talib, Dennard, Dowling, Arrington, Cole/Martin/Williams

ST: Gostkowski, Mesko, Aiken

That's 56 players, which is a decent starting place.

 

[Snake Eyes]

You want hallucinations? OK, here goes:

The Offseason:

1. Pats let Welker and Vollmer walk, resign Talib, Edelman, Woodhead. Hopefully they re-sign Kyle Arrington, Marquice Cole, Donald Thomas and Michael Hoomanawanui. They get Dane Fletcher back, and possibly re-sign Tracy White. They trade Steve Gregory for a 2014 mid/late round pick.

2. Pats sign DE/DT Armond Armstead.

3. Pats sign UFA WR Dwayne Bowe to a 5 year deal. They can afford one big signing if Welker and Vollmer both walk, perhaps with a bit of work. The FO decides that they need to shake things up a bit after 3 consecutive years of near misses. The Pats lose Welker's 100 catches a season but get 80 back in Bowe, who is the big, physical WR that they've lacked. Hernandez, Vereen, Woodhead, Edelman and Demps will take up the slack.

4. Pats sign FB Tony Fiammetta to a 2 year deal. The Pats still have Fiammetta's rights, since he missed the 2012 season for personal issues, and he stated that he was excited about rejoining the team for 2013.

5. Lombardi trades the #6 pick to the Pats for Mallett.

6. The Pats sign Matt Cassel to a fairly cheap contract.

7. The Pats trade #6 (1600 points)to St. Louis for #16 and #22 (1780 points).

The Draft:

16. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina. NFL DraftScout #16. Logan Mankins moves to RG. Solder and Cooper will be a very athletic left side of the line. Connolly moves back to center.

- Pats trade #22 (780 points) to Arizona for #38 and #69 (775 points).

29. DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama. NFL DraftScout #28. Vollmer's replacement. Mankins and Fluker will be a very physical right side of the line.

38. Matt Elam, S, Florida. NFL DraftScout #42. Pats get the physical enforce and playmaker in the secondary that they need. If Elam is gone, Philip Thomas could be an option.

60. Best available WR out of Hunter, Rogers, Patterson, Hopkins, Wood, Wheaton, Patton. A couple should be available. Add one of them to Bowe, Lloyd, Edelman plus the TEs and RBs and the Pats should have good options.

- Pats trade #69 for a 2014 2nd round pick.

- Pats trade #91 (135 points) to Tennessee for #104 and #135 (138 points).

104. DJ Swearinger, FS, South Carolina (NFL DraftScout #128). Rangy safety to pair with Elam and McCourty. Can also play CB.

135. William Campbell, DT, Michigan. (NFL DraftScout #218). Physical tackle with a lot of athleticism and upside, and a frame like Michael Brockers.

The Team:

QB: Brady, Cassel, Kafka
RB: Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead, Bolden, Demps
FB: Fiammetta
TE: Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ballard, Hoomanawanui
WR: Bowe, Lloyd, Edelman, rookie, Slater
OT: Solder, Fluker, Cannon, Zukevics
OG/C: Mankins, Cooper, Connolly, Wendell, Thomas/McDonald

DT: Wilfork, [Armstead], Love, Deaderick, Pryor/Forston, Campbell
DE: Jones, Armstead, Ninkovich, Cunningham, Francis, Bequette
LB: Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Fletcher, White/Koutouvides
S: McCourty, Elam, Wilson, Swearinger, Ebner
CB: Talib, Dennard, Dowling, Arrington, Cole/Martin/Williams

ST: Gostkowski, Mesko, Aiken

That's 56 players, which is a decent starting place.

FANTASTIC piece of work, what do you think about going for Jairus Byrd and Brian Hartline instead of Bowe?

 

[manxman2601]

You want hallucinations? OK, here goes:

The Offseason:

1. Pats let Welker and Vollmer walk, resign Talib, Edelman, Woodhead. Hopefully they re-sign Kyle Arrington, Marquice Cole, Donald Thomas and Michael Hoomanawanui. They get Dane Fletcher back, and possibly re-sign Tracy White. They trade Steve Gregory for a 2014 mid/late round pick.

2. Pats sign DE/DT Armond Armstead.

3. Pats sign UFA WR Dwayne Bowe to a 5 year deal. They can afford one big signing if Welker and Vollmer both walk, perhaps with a bit of work. The FO decides that they need to shake things up a bit after 3 consecutive years of near misses. The Pats lose Welker's 100 catches a season but get 80 back in Bowe, who is the big, physical WR that they've lacked. Hernandez, Vereen, Woodhead, Edelman and Demps will take up the slack.

4. Pats sign FB Tony Fiammetta to a 2 year deal. The Pats still have Fiammetta's rights, since he missed the 2012 season for personal issues, and he stated that he was excited about rejoining the team for 2013.

5. Lombardi trades the #6 pick to the Pats for Mallett.

6. The Pats sign Matt Cassel to a fairly cheap contract.

7. The Pats trade #6 (1600 points)to St. Louis for #16 and #22 (1780 points).

The Draft:

16. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina. NFL DraftScout #16. Logan Mankins moves to RG. Solder and Cooper will be a very athletic left side of the line. Connolly moves back to center.

- Pats trade #22 (780 points) to Arizona for #38 and #69 (775 points).

29. DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama. NFL DraftScout #28. Vollmer's replacement. Mankins and Fluker will be a very physical right side of the line.

38. Matt Elam, S, Florida. NFL DraftScout #42. Pats get the physical enforce and playmaker in the secondary that they need. If Elam is gone, Philip Thomas could be an option.

60. Best available WR out of Hunter, Rogers, Patterson, Hopkins, Wood, Wheaton, Patton. A couple should be available. Add one of them to Bowe, Lloyd, Edelman plus the TEs and RBs and the Pats should have good options.

- Pats trade #69 for a 2014 2nd round pick.

- Pats trade #91 (135 points) to Tennessee for #104 and #135 (138 points).

104. DJ Swearinger, FS, South Carolina (NFL DraftScout #128). Rangy safety to pair with Elam and McCourty. Can also play CB.

135. William Campbell, DT, Michigan. (NFL DraftScout #218). Physical tackle with a lot of athleticism and upside, and a frame like Michael Brockers.

The Team:

QB: Brady, Cassel, Kafka
RB: Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead, Bolden, Demps
FB: Fiammetta
TE: Gronkowski, Hernandez, Ballard, Hoomanawanui
WR: Bowe, Lloyd, Edelman, rookie, Slater
OT: Solder, Fluker, Cannon, Zukevics
OG/C: Mankins, Cooper, Connolly, Wendell, Thomas/McDonald

DT: Wilfork, [Armstead], Love, Deaderick, Pryor/Forston, Campbell
DE: Jones, Armstead, Ninkovich, Cunningham, Francis, Bequette
LB: Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Fletcher, White/Koutouvides
S: McCourty, Elam, Wilson, Swearinger, Ebner
CB: Talib, Dennard, Dowling, Arrington, Cole/Martin/Williams

ST: Gostkowski, Mesko, Aiken

That's 56 players, which is a decent starting place.

I'd rather you focused on my actual mock rather than a mere aside to be honest.