Waters' Locker Cleaned Out (Update: Reports Nameplate Taken Down)

[Patstopia]

Yup, don't mess around with trying to secure a draft choice. Just prove your point and get nothing.

EXACTLY. Why give him what he wants for a 6th or 7th rounder. He put himself first, so have fun at home. The Pats will be playing football with or without him.

 

[supafly]

Yup, don't mess around with trying to secure a draft choice. Just prove your point and get nothing.

The problem with this is that it is assumed (or maybe concrete) that Waters does not want to go anywhere outside of Texas to be close to his family.

That severely limits any trade opportunities, doesn't it?

We're sure as hell not going to make one of our biggest competitors in Houston that much better for a low round pick, are we?

What's there to trade? I'm not seeing it.

 

[supafly]

EXACTLY. Why give him what he wants for a 6th or 7th rounder. He put himself first, so have fun at home. The Pats will be playing football with or without him.

That's how I feel too. Every situation is different, and normally it wouldn't make any sense to refuse a pick, even if it's going to be a very low round; but in this case it wouldn't make any more sense to trade him.

If it's true that he wants to stay in Texas to be close to his family, then that even complicates the situation more and probably pisses off the front office to boot.

 

[ATippett56]

They'll have to cut back from the Dom Perignon to 'just' the Moet and Chandon with dinner

You do realize the wife bathes in champagne? :snob:

 

[Run DMC]

Funny how Waters skipped camp last year yet was arguably our best OL, but now this year, its suddenly a big problem?! And you've got a pro bowler under contract for 1.4 mill?!!! Whats the typical pro bowl guard being paid these days/year? About 7-8 mill?! Penny wise and pound foolish, and it has already cost us a couple of super bowls. See 2006 Reche Caldwell for a prime example. TFB's window is closing. What could have been...

 

[Ring 6]

Yup, don't mess around with trying to secure a draft choice. Just prove your point and get nothing.

Dude, when you get angry you spew without thought.
How do you know they didn't try to trade him?
How do you know the Cowboys or Texans even wanted him? How do you know we didnt think no Waters is better than Waters on the Texans?

 

[Ring 6]

Funny how Waters skipped camp last year yet was arguably our best OL, but now this year, its suddenly a big problem?! And you've got a pro bowler under contract for 1.4 mill?!!! Whats the typical pro bowl guard being paid these days/year? About 7-8 mill?! Penny wise and pound foolish, and it has already cost us a couple of super bowls. See 2006 Reche Caldwell for a prime example. TFB's window is closing. What could have been...

But he didn't skip camp last year. He was cut by KC and we picked him up.
Sorry to interupt your diatribe with facts, carry on.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well this thread has crapped the bed.

 

[Sfpat]

I'd guess Waters could show up tomorrow under his original deal, but the Pats would then fine him for his absence, which at $30K/day would mean he plays for nothing. Or.....
He could show up and agree to the revised deal (where there appears to have been some sort of prior agreement) which puts the risk of injury on him (he has to be on the weekly 46 to make his full amount). My guess is the Pats don't fine him under this scenerio. Either way, the Pats have no incentive to release him and can let him sit all year. Waters appears to have lost a game of poker with the Pats.

No reason for the Pats to blink first (Connelly or whoever will do fine in Waters absence).

 

[supafly]

To consider the value of Waters the same as Meriweather is probably the most ignorant suggestion in months, IMHO.

It's yet another example where passing up potential trade compensation may be the better choice, especially if you are a 5x winning SB coach who says so.

I'm not necessarily 'comparing' the two players, as you claimed. The point is that we certainly could have gotten something for Meriweather right? Usually 2x probowlers who are young and were 1st rd picks get you something in trade compensation.

The Colts just gave up a 2nd and a 6th for Vonte Davis, so even assuming that Jim Irsay is an idiot, there must have been SOME market for a player of his caliber.

But apparently Belichick didn't agree, or couldn't find the right team to trade with, even for a mid rounder (which he certainly could have gotten).

In this case Waters would only command a very low round pick to begin with, and if it's true that he wants to stay in Texas then that also throws limitations into any potential deal. In other words, it's yet another player where it may not be worth it to get compensation in return.

Not to mention that a trade is not always as easy as many perceive it to be.

 

[ATippett56]

And you've got a pro bowler under contract for 1.4 mill?!!! Whats the typical pro bowl guard being paid these days/year? About 7-8 mill?!

Ben Grubbs - New Orleans Saints - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

3/14/2012: Signed a five-year, $36 million contract. The deal contains $15.9 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and all of his first two base salaries. Grubbs is eligible for annual $100,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. 2012: $700,000, 2013: $5.2 million, 2014: $6 million, 2015: $6.5 million, 2016: $7.2 million, 2017: Free Agent

 

[TheBeers]

That's a 9.. they signed him september 4th?

 

[Ring 6]

Ben Grubbs - New Orleans Saints - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Are you seriously comparing that to a player who is choosing to show up for one more year if you let him skip camp, or just retire?

 

[TyronePoole]

But he didn't skip camp last year. He was cut by KC and we picked him up.
Sorry to interupt your diatribe with facts, carry on.

we let him skip all of TC before signing him because that was the deal.

Waters' was released by the Chiefs in late July.

Waters latest veteran to sign with Pats

And they gave him $5.5m. Pats saw a guy who didn't need it last year but apparently now it's so important that they're willing to let him walk over it.

 

[TyronePoole]

That's a 9.. they signed him september 4th?

yeah that article was misdated ont he search, my bad.

 

[ATippett56]

Are you seriously comparing that to a player who is choosing to show up for one more year if you let him skip camp, or just retire?

The poster in question was querying how much a Pro-Bowl caliber guard was worth in the market today. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for Brian Waters, the ship has sailed, time to move on as the New England Patriots season starts in less than 48 hours.

 

[supafly]

we let him skip all of TC before signing him because that was the deal.



Waters latest veteran to sign with Pats

And they gave him $5.5m. Pats saw a guy who didn't need it last year but apparently now it's so important that they're willing to let him walk over it.

I don't think anyone is necessarily suggesting that is the only reason why they let him walk, but that kind of attitude would likely certainly come into play when attempting to renegotiate too.

Belichick may/may not have had a deal with him to miss TC. It may simply have been to miss the first week or two.

The point is that when you are building a team sometimes the next hungry, hardworking guy waiting in the wings will do just fine too.

Waters had a good year here, very good; but I don't think Belichick views his absence as irreplacable either.

The bottom line is that we cannot come to any type of reasonable opinion without likely knowing the full facts, so we're just all speculating anyway on who we see as being at fault.

 

[Ring 6]

we let him skip all of TC before signing him because that was the deal.

That is incorrect. We signed him at the end of camp. That doesnt mean we let him skip camp while under contract.

Waters latest veteran to sign with Pats

And they gave him $5.5m. Pats saw a guy who didn't need it last year but apparently now it's so important that they're willing to let him walk over it.

Actually it appears they felt they needed him last year but dont this year.
What exactly do you think the motivation is here?

Your argument seems to be that they wanted him so badly last year the offered him 5.5mill and told him to stay home, but this year they dont want to pay him 1.4 mil and are treating him like crap.

Your argunment is senseless.

 

[Ring 6]

The poster in question was querying how much a Pro-Bowl caliber guard was worth in the market today. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for Brian Waters, the ship has sailed, time to move on as the New England Patriots season starts in less than 48 hours.

Every discussion has context. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

 

[Run DMC]

Actually it appears they felt they needed him last year but dont this year.
What exactly do you think the motivation is here?

Your argunment is senseless.

Umm, did you happen happen to watch the preseason?