Pats vs. Redskins post-game thread

[nabwong]

Ive said before that the secondary looked better when McCourty was out but no one believed me. Im not knocking McCourty. It's just he's not playing at last years level.

 

[ausbacker]

The positive from today's game; the Patriots beat a Shanahan coached side whilst breaking the Redskins in Washington hoodoo.

What a conflicting performance otherwise.

 

[MP-Logick]

NE turned 21 points in the red zone into 6 points. Brady/Gronk miscue, Brady/Welker miscue, and a Hernandez drop turned into field goal, field goal, INT. If this happens a little differently the game's a blowout.

 

[goheels22002]

"You are what your record says you are," Bill Parcells. Glass looks 3/4 full to me.

10-3. First place in the AFC. Gronk is a monster and got an NFL record.

The run defense looked awful, especially against a team with a depleted line.

Fletcher looked good today for a guy who's been out for most of the season and McCourty got better as the game progressed. Both good signs for a defense that needs to get to full strength by mid-January. Add Chung to the back-end and this defense will be okay.

 

[RodThePat]

I agree with O'brien. Brady did not have his head in the game on the interception. Brady just needed to throw the ball out of bounds and let Gostkowski kick a field goal. The decision by Brady was awful. Obviously, we all understand Brady's frustration, but a 10 point lead would have been important.

Pretty much. I wonder if the pressure of having to score and be nearly perfect on every possession has made Brady develop kind of a gunslinger mentality. But that play just further illustrates the need for a physical, athletic, outside receiver. A bigger guy could have positioned himself to at least break up the interception on that play. Doesn't excuse Tom' poor decision making, though.

 

[Patspsycho]

Good news! SMY tweets that players will not get Monday off:

They'll have a full day of work

I hope that includes BB and BOB for that stinker of a game they called.

 

[PatriotFan77]

The positive from today's game; the Patriots beat a Shanahan coached side whilst breaking the Redskins in Washington hoodoo.

What a conflicting performance otherwise.

Didn't the pats score like 58 in '07 in Washington?

 

[DaBruinz]

A lot to be concerned about.

Two stinkers of a game in a row, along with the disappearance of the run game.

Plenty to discuss..

Disappearance of the run game??? You mean the lack of BO'B using the run game? When they actually ran the ball, they did so pretty well..

Matt Patricia continues to prove (to me anyways) that he's not the man for the DC job. After the 1st series, the defense was pretty horrible. Both in the play calling, the personnel put on the field, and the mental lapses by guys like Ihedigbo. Just inexcusable.

That being said, I saw some glimpses that I liked. Fletcher, though rusty, looked pretty decent. McCourty looked pretty good in the 2nd half. Like the lightbulb FINALLY went off and he realized he could make things happen.

The Pats need to put Nate Jones on the field more, not less.
The Pats need to go back to a nickle formation that puts Molden on the outside with Arrington on the slot receiver.

On offense, Brady was off on numerous plays. A few of which he lucked out and could have been interceptions. The back to back plays that were to the same side to Branch and then Welker in which it was CLEAR that Brady was expecting something different, yet he seemed to blame the receivers. And it sure looked like BO'B lit into him after the interception... almost as if BO'B called a different play and Brady had ignored him...

Gronkowski is a BEAST. People say that the Pats don't have a "#1WR", well, those people are so 1990's. The Pats have a #1 receiver in Welker and a #2 in Gronkowski and a #3 in Hernandez. Then they have supporting guys in Branch, Ocho, and Tiquan. Not to mention Woodhead and Faulk.

I don't mind if the Pats get the win in stinkers as long as they improve going forward...

The return of Chung will certainly help with that. As will the return of Spikes..

 

[Sfpat]

I also fault either BOB or TFB for play calling on the series where they're running the ball down those filthy Redskins' throats and get a 1st and goal around the 5. Suddenly we go empty backfield play after play? Why? Result no TD and settle for a FG.

Has BOB forgotten that BJGE is on the team? Yeah he's got hands of stone but he gets yards.

Worst of all was the last offensive series where only a turnover could keep us from an insurmountable 2 score lead and Brady misses WWW throwing behind him. Yes it is a catch Wes usually makes, but bad throw. Subsequently Mr 200+ passes w/o a pick forces the ball and we don't even settle for 3.

I think the concern was the Pats two previous trips to the red zone with no TD's

 

[Patspsycho]

Disappearance of the run game??? You mean the lack of BO'B using the run game? When they actually ran the ball, they did so pretty well..

Yes I meant the lack of using the run game. There's nothing logical about BJGE and Ridley combining for five total carries the whole game. Nothing.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The positive from today's game; the Patriots beat a Shanahan coached side whilst breaking the Redskins in Washington hoodoo.

What a conflicting performance otherwise.

First team to throw for over 300 yards on the redskins this year.

 

[hovis]

Pretty much. I wonder if the pressure of having to score and be nearly perfect on every possession has made Brady develop kind of a gunslinger mentality. But that play just further illustrates the need for a physical, athletic, outside receiver. A bigger guy could have positioned himself to at least break up the interception on that play. Doesn't excuse Tom' poor decision making, though.

Has anyone deciphered the full details of that argument? Was BOB questioning the target? I thought Brady was ripping Underwood, telling him to get his hands lower and fight for the ball; so BOB basically told Brady to hold himself accountable for not putting the ball in the right spot. Looking at that play, if Brady put it slightly higher and to the right with more velocity, he gets a TD.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes, the defense gives us all nightmares, but the running game thing is bogus. We ran it twice and a row and hadto punt, this team lives and dies with Brady. You'd rather run than pass?

It's called not running the ball consistently. Also, you need to run the ball in the right situations. Which the Pats weren't doing. Hell, they were TELEGRAPHING their plays with the runs. It was silly..Instead of lining up with their Elephant Package, why not line up with TWO RBs back there and do the direct snap to Faulk? You know the one that he's scored numerous TDs with and gotten numerous 1st downs with??

I would rather the Pats mix it up on offense so that they can actually catch teams off-guard..

 

[TheTruth3402]

Yes I meant the lack of using the run game. There's nothing logical about BJGE and Ridley combining for five total carries the whole game. Nothing.

Totally agree. You can only go to the well so many times with the short pass attack before teams adjust.There's nothing wrong with 3,4,5 yard runs.

I also think that the mentality of dropping back to pass block on so many plays affects an offensive lineman mentally. When its suddenly time to push forward on a run play they don't seem to do so with the level of intensity that is needed.

So, while BOB might be thinking that the run game is ineffective because the line isn't getting enough push, he is partly liable for not giving it any chance to get rolling.

 

[TheComeback]

First team to throw for over 300 yards on the redskins this year.

Quoted for emphasis.

 

[TheComeback]

It's called not running the ball consistently. Also, you need to run the ball in the right situations. Which the Pats weren't doing. Hell, they were TELEGRAPHING their plays with the runs. It was silly..Instead of lining up with their Elephant Package, why not line up with TWO RBs back there and do the direct snap to Faulk? You know the one that he's scored numerous TDs with and gotten numerous 1st downs with??

I would rather the Pats mix it up on offense so that they can actually catch teams off-guard..

I agree. This team can't run the ball mostly because they haven't been given a chance to develop that part of the game. They had some good runs today but wouldn't stick with it. Puzzling

 

[resdubwhite]

I wonder how much longer this can go on before the locker room completely implodes.

The offensive guys have to be a little pissed that the defense can't do anything right.

But the coaches haven't been playing musical chairs with the offense's personnel.

 

[condon84]

Our offense scored 28 points and if were not for two inaccurate throws by Brady in the red zone, our offense would have scored 35 points. The lack of us not running the ball IMO does not make a difference. Brady makes those two throws accurately we score 35 points plus the 7 from our defense to make it 42.

The most disconcerting part of the game today was our run defense. We know our pass defense is awful, but our run D today got gashed by a depleted Redskins line and a rookie RB.

 

[DaBruinz]

Awful game to watch on D.

That said two of the Skins scoring drives occurred with key penalties. One McCourty's brain dead PI where a simple tackle would have forced a punt is addressable via coaching. Another where 75 committed a stupid PF on a stop, same solution. And a 3rd where Carter got called for a tacky hit below the knew.

Were I London Fletcher I too would be wicked pissed on that awful PF called when he hit Brady who slid at the last millisecond.

Sorry, but that was not a "stupid personal foul" unless you mean that the ref shouldn't have called it. By rights, the Skins player was NOT defenseless and he wasn't down. So he's free to be tackled.

The call on Carter was BS because he hit Grossman in the thigh, not the knee. Also, the opposing player blocked him that way, which should have nullified the penalty as well.

I wouldn't be pissed if I was London Fletcher. Sorry PWP, but Brady's leg was tucked under him PRIOR to Fletcher starting at TB. And it doesn't matter when in the slid TB is, it's a penalty to hit him.. You're honestly sounding like that you are Jim Nantz... and that's not a compliment..

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Pats 5th Q: McC reportedly was very discouraged, McC said it was his teammates that brought him out of it.
Gronk, when asked about his record: "The W is the only stat that counts."