Bodden has season-ending back surgery

[JDot]

...what part of my post came off as me being angry and needing to calm down? I don't see it.

From what I understand you need to be on the team at the start of a season for the team to be on the hook for your salary.

Sorry if I came off Like a D!@3k. From what I understand, that when Bodden cleared waivers, the pats where on the hook for Bodden's salary this year.

 

[Deus Irae]

He had a herniated disk, per his agent on Twitter. It would've ended his season had he been on a team. He suffered the injury against the Dolphins week 1, and may have affected him on the field since then. Keels is calling it not a career ender, but it's hard to see too much interest in a 30-year-old who will have played in just 5 games in the last two seasons.

So, this is where everybody suddenly stops complaining about his release...

https://twitter.com/AlvinKeels/status/134775938784296960

Why should people stop complaining about his release? They signed him to a 4 year contract, not a "until you get a second injury" contract.

 

[JDot]

That was my initial thought too, but that's not the case; it works out the same. He gets the same amount of money his year whether he's on IR or on the 53-man roster. NFL contracts (i.e., annual salaries) are not guaranteed; the Pats did not pull a fast one by cutting him rather than IR'ing him. All 32 NFL teams 'rip up' a contract with dozens of players every year. If players are cut due to an injury there is an avenue for them to get an injury settlement.

If Bodden, his agent or anyone else has an issue with how annual salaries are not guaranteed then they need to take that up with their team rep, DeMaurice Smith, and the NFLPA for agreeing to those terms in the CBA. In the last round of negotiations there was a lot of debate on many issues, but I don't recall any players insisting that contracts be fully guaranteed the way they are in baseball.

Ah, thanks. That makes sense, much appreciated jmt57...

 

[Daigle]

In BB we trust. Too bad about Bodden though, lets hope he gets healthy.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Well, that explains it. Still don't get why they didn't IR him, but that's a smaller quibble.

 

[Sciz]

After getting cut, Leigh Bodden needed surgery - BostonHerald.com
This article explains a lot, including why they didn't IR him.

 

[Betterthanmost]

After getting cut, Leigh Bodden needed surgery - BostonHerald.com
This article explains a lot, including why they didn't IR him.

Oh, just an unfortunate situation where no one is to be blamed. I think the coaches thought Bodden was not doing enough and he on the other hand could not prove that he was hurt. This is a bit sad for me. I wish him well.

 

[supafly]

Thanks for the read, Sciz.

It's not rocket science to think that Belichick will once again tackle the chore of re-establishing our CB's and safeties; through the draft, 3-4 current players (DMcC, Arrington, Chung, Dowling), and certainly through free agency and roster cuts. This is certainly another reason why he likely parted ways with Bodden. He just couldn't help us this yr, didn't even play last yr, and the front office will likely just go back to the drawing board once again in the off-season/TC.

But it seems like this yr's crop is who he's sticking with, do or die..and that's scary in many ways.

Count me in as one who thought that Adams was around the ball, and did not look too lost on Sunday--so that may not be as bad as we originally thought.

Of course now with Barrett to IR (no big loss besides depth IMO), and Chung's likelihood of missing at least Sunday's game, safety is even more of a gigantic, glaring hole than it already was, and that is what worries me significantly.

 

[patsfan-1982]

he was a 30 year old average CB comeing off of a season ending injury, sanders or Butler should of had he's roster spot befor the season started

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh, just an unfortunate situation where no one is to be blamed. I think the coaches thought Bodden was not doing enough and he on the other hand could not prove that he was hurt. This is a bit sad for me. I wish him well.

Assuming Bodden is telling the truth....

The Patriots fail to get a proper diagnosis, minimize the pain/play issue a big money player is having, and cut a guy loose rather than making sure about his claim of pain, and you think no one is to be blamed?




Sometimes I really wonder if this isn't the Stepford fan base.

 

[Betterthanmost]

Assuming Bodden is telling the truth....

The Patriots fail to get a proper diagnosis, minimize the pain/play issue a big money player is having, and cut a guy loose rather than making sure about his claim of pain, and you think no one is to be blamed?




Sometimes I really wonder if this isn't the Stepford fan base.

The way I see it, they know Bodden better than anybody here, nothing showed up on MRI, from the story, I can infer that sometimes he practiced well, at times he felt so much pain that it looked like he had quit. It is not a stretch for me in such cases not to blame anyone.
I mean his agent right after being released also said he was healthy and could contribute to any team.
It is one of those cases.
If he is in so much pain as to not be able to even practice, what use is he really with his big contract you talk about? Year one, hurt, year two hurt again/can't practice/We don't really know what is wrong with him. His attitude might not have helped as well as he might have thought he was safe with the kind of money he was getting.
I can pass blame around, but in this case, it is just a case of misunderstanding imo.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

This thread doesn't excuse releasing Sanders and Merriweather.

 

[patriotscpfc]

No impending surgery for Sanders, Page?

Did the Pats cut Page?

No further questions.

 

[patriotscpfc]

This thread doesn't excuse releasing Sanders and Merriweather.

No, but being a free-lancing, pathetic excuse for a Safety excuses releasing Meriweather.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Would this have been different, i.e., would the Patriots owe Bodden any money of they simply put him on IR and waited until after his physical therapy to see if they should have him in camp in 2012?

Nope. But doing that would have meant carrying his prior full cap hit on the books next spring and summer and opened them up to the risk that if he's still unable to play or injures something else in the process while on their watch he persues an injury settlement if he is cut in 2012.

Maybe Bodden is just snakebit. Whatever it is...it is. He simply can't deliver on a long term contract for whatever reason or reasons. And durability is part of the value equation. He claims KC was ready to sign him yet he opted not to double dip out of respect for RAC?? Yet he was being shopped by an agent who swore there was nothing wrong with him. Obviously there was something wrong with him and he made the decision to get a procedure done now possibly in the hope that he will land another deal with at least some more guaranteed money based on the potential he has always shown when healthy...which isn't often but whatever... Which is a strategy that is preferable to continuing to not play well for yet another team while risking further damage to his his back or any other portion of his body in the interim not to mention damage to any remaining future value to teams who will be looking for help come March or April.

Don't cry for Leigh. Being cut in his situation is preferable to being placed on IR. He's one of those guys who is just talented enough that when all his ducks line up in a row he intrigues. Now he's in control of his own destiny and he's not tied to a deal and a team that wasn't on the hook for more than $8M in unguaranteed salary over the next two seasons. If he can get those ducks lined up again given the position he plays he can make that up and potentially more than that once again in the next 2-3 seasons if he plays his cards right...again. And if he can't he wasn't going to see another dime anyway...

 

[PatsDeb]

Too bad for Bodden - hope he recovers fast and well. I was just thinking about him this week and wondering: a) why no one else signed him; and b) why we didn't re-sign him as we are pretty desperate ourselves right now. Now I know the answer.

 

[Mike the Brit]

I had the same question in my head. But I think Mo's post explains it in part or in whole.

Er ... still don't get it. As I understand MLR's post the message is that the Pats are on the hook for the salary whether Bodden is on the team or not. So why not pay the salary, keep him on IR and see where we are in training camp next year?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Er ... still don't get it. As I understand MLR's post the message is that the Pats are on the hook for the salary whether Bodden is on the team or not. So why not pay the salary, keep him on IR and see where we are in training camp next year?

Well then I'll say it again. Because we would be open to risk of paying him more ($4M in salary and workout money or even more in the form of an injury settlement in 2012 based on his remaining $8M in contractual salary) if he again cannot play and because we would have to carry his full 2012 cap hit rather than cut it substantially in advance of what promises to be a fairly flat cap over the next 2 seasons...

I think Bill has finally come to grips with the fact that Bodden isn't a talent you can count on. That said, if he's healthy again in 2012 we could always sign him to a prove it deal again, the only kind he seems to play well during, for probably a lot less than $4M... Otherwise (not healthy or still eating up $5.5M in cap) you don't want him taking up valuable roster or cap space.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

OK, I'm not a MD but missing this significant condition makes me wonder about the capability of the Pats medical staff. I hope that more capable analysis has been given to SeaBass' bad back issues.

 

[Its_The_Patriots]

Best of luck to Bodden in his recovery. That's really the most important issue here.