Why has Welker not been extended?

[supafly]

anyone care to guess how much for how long he's likely to accept?

4 Mill per year for 3years?

I think you are definitely close/in the ballpark for the number of yrs. My guess is that it would be 3-4 yr extension.

I do think however, you're a little low on the average money per yr. 4 million per yr is too low. Many here feel that he'd be happy with about 5 1/2--6 million per yr, which is really not too bad at all when you consider the fact that some guys at the position are pulling in 9-10 million per yr.

That's my guess anyway, and I have read other posts who agree that it's in that ballpark.

 

[Shelterdog]

Thanks, it wasn't hard as you have no argument given that you want to get rid of Brady's favorite target and one of the most productive players in football because he will turn 30 someday. It's batsh.t crazy and if you don't believe me just trot on down to Gillette and ask Brady what he thinks, although i realize his opinion is nothing compared to the analysis of the fantasy GM's.

You don't read so well do you. I say they have him play out his contract and if he plays well and stays healthy they try to re-sign him in free agency for a reasonable contract.

This is SOP here. If it's batsh*t crazy well then BB is batsh*t crazy because that's how he handles free agency with older, non superstars every single time.

And Welker is already 30. You don't want to pay a ton for an older wideout because the wheels can fall of in a hurry, even if Brady really does like the guy.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think you are definitely close/in the ballpark for the number of yrs. My guess is that it would be 3-4 yr extension.

I do think however, you're a little low on the average money per yr. 4 million per yr is too low. Many here feel that he'd be happy with about 5 1/2--6 million per yr, which is really not too bad at all when you consider the fact that some guys at the position are pulling in 9-10 million per yr.

That's my guess anyway, and I have read other posts who agree that it's in that ballpark.

This where I'm at as well. I think Welker would take 6 a year for 4 with a little more than half guaranteed, and that would be a great deal for the Patriots. Anyone who doesn't get the importance of Welker as a safety valve for Brady never watched the beating he took when Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney were his two primary weapons and he had no WR he could throw to on a blitz because all of them took 5 seconds to get open. Brady has to have a release valve WR so when they throw the house at him there is a guarantee he can go to, and that's Welker. It is simply amazing that a player as smart, productive, selfless, and tough as Welker goes completely unappreciated by so many, because he is the epitomy of everything Belichik wants in a player.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You don't read so well do you. I say they have him play out his contract and if he plays well and stays healthy they try to re-sign him in free agency for a reasonable contract.


This is SOP here. If it's batsh*t crazy well then BB is batsh*t crazy because that's how he handles free agency with older, non superstars every single time.

I know it, I guess that explains why he got rid of Mankins as well, and he's less than a year older than Welker..

Belichik understands who their key players are and he keeps them and for that reason Welker is going nowhere anytime soon.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And Welker is already 30. You don't want to pay a ton for an older wideout because the wheels can fall of in a hurry, even if Brady really does like the guy.

You don't read so well do you? No-one is saying they should give him 50 million and 10 million a year, what people are saying is to redo him now for 6 a year for 4 years, and that's as reasonable as it gets.However that's too rich for those hell bent on getting rid of him because they have fantasies Edelman can fill his shoes, and it is true just because they think it.


I guess no team should sign Larry Fitzgerald to anything ,more than a 2 year deal then, he will be 30 and the wheels will fall off.

 

[Snake Eyes]

This where I'm at as well. I think Welker would take 6 a year for 4 with a little more than half guaranteed, and that would be a great deal for the Patriots. Anyone who doesn't get the importance of Welker as a safety valve for Brady never watched the beating he took when Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney were his two primary weapons and he had no WR he could throw to on a blitz because all of them took 5 seconds to get open. Brady has to have a release valve WR so when they throw the house at him there is a guarantee he can go to, and that's Welker. It is simply amazing that a player as smart, productive, selfless, and tough as Welker goes completely unappreciated by so many, because he is the epitomy of everything Belichik wants in a player.

Slot receivers are relatively easy to find, Welker's the best at it but he's still a slot receiver, the guys who are making the big money are the ones who are NOT easily replaced, who can give you what Adnre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald can on the field?

 

[Shelterdog]

You don't read so well do you? No-one is saying they should give him 50 million and 10 million a year, what people are saying is to redo him now for 6 a year for 4 years, and that's as reasonable as it gets.However that's too rich for those hell bent on getting rid of him because they have fantasies Edelman can fill his shoes, and it is true just because they think it.


I guess no team should sign Larry Fitzgerald to anything ,more than a 2 year deal then, he will be 30 and the wheels will fall off.

Why do Welker for 4/24 now when you can pay him 2 million now and check back again after the season? Assuming he's even willing to sign for 4/24 now (which he probably would be).

 

[Huckleberry1]

Slot receivers are relatively easy to find, Welker's the best at it but he's still a slot receiver, the guys who are making the big money are the ones who are NOT easily replaced, who can give you what Adnre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald can on the field?

Once again, no-one is saying Welker will get 10 million a year, and the 6 million a year for him is completely reasonable for a guy who does what he does for Brady and the Patriots. I'm as big a Welker supporter as you will find and even I wouldn 't pay him Johnson or Fitzgerald money.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why do Welker for 4/24 now when you can pay him 2 million now and check back again after the season? Assuming he's even willing to sign for 4/24 now (which he probably would be).

Because he is well worth it. You don't allow your best players to go to your rivals and that's exactly what would happen if the Patriots didn't offer him a fair deal and allowed him to test the market. It's crazy, period. It doesn't make sense to tag him and it doesn't make sense to let Manning or Sanchez, or Rivers etc... have him to turn to. Fantasy GM's may not appreciate him but real ones no doubt do.

 

[Deus Irae]

Slot receivers are relatively easy to find, Welker's the best at it but he's still a slot receiver, the guys who are making the big money are the ones who are NOT easily replaced, who can give you what Adnre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald can on the field?

If slot receivers are easy to find, shouldn't pretty much every team have a very good one?

 

[Shelterdog]

Because he is well worth it. You don't allow your best players to go to your rivals and that's exactly what would happen if the Patriots didn't offer him a fair deal and allowed him to test the market. It's crazy, period. It doesn't make sense to tag him and it doesn't make sense to let Manning or Sanchez, or Rivers etc... have him to turn to. Fantasy GM's may not appreciate him but real ones no doubt do.

Real GMs absolutely do let good players, especially older ones, test the free agent markets all the time. Samuel, AV, McGinest, Givens, Watson, Graham, Woody--the list goes on and on.


Calling an argument crazy or a fantasy GM argument doesn't make it wrong.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is SOP here. If it's batsh*t crazy well then BB is batsh*t crazy because that's how he handles free agency with older, non superstars every single time.

You must have a weird idea of "superstar" if the most productive WR in football the last 4 years doesn't fit it. Oh, now i realize it, his 40 time and high jump weren't good enough, and he didn't do enough reps at the combine he didn't attend. Welker was named by his peers as one of the best WR's in the game in the top 100 countdown, and try as I may I can't find Edelman anywhere in there. He's a great playerr even if he isn't glamorous enough for the fantasy GM's here.


Standard operating procedure, really?

Name the key players the Patriots have been letting get away from them over the past 5 years?


Should be an easy task if it's SOP?

 

[TheSolderKing]

I think you are definitely close/in the ballpark for the number of yrs. My guess is that it would be 3-4 yr extension.

I do think however, you're a little low on the average money per yr. 4 million per yr is too low. Many here feel that he'd be happy with about 5 1/2--6 million per yr, which is really not too bad at all when you consider the fact that some guys at the position are pulling in 9-10 million per yr.

That's my guess anyway, and I have read other posts who agree that it's in that ballpark.

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Everybody is different. Ocho landed in "heaven" his deal is 1.5 3 3 ???

Welker loves it here. He would not be same WR w/o TFB and this offensive scheme. I don't see $$$ as an issue. He loves it here. If i were Brady I would make a pact w/ Welker (if it is legal) that he would get x amount of Million of dollars if he stay's w/ TFB for x amount of years The NFL doesn't need to know

 

[Huckleberry1]

Real GMs absolutely do let good players, especially older ones, test the free agent markets all the time. Samuel, AV, McGinest, Givens, Watson, Graham, Woody--the list goes on and on.


Calling an argument crazy or a fantasy GM argument doesn't make it wrong.

Are you seriously comparing Graham Givens, Watson and Woody to Welker? If so that alone debunks your SOP claim, as none are in the ballpark only AV and W. Mac are of his stature, and they were much farther along in their careers than welker and were at the end not in their prime.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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Everybody is different. Ocho landed in "heaven" his deal is 1.5 3 3 ???

Welker loves it here. He would not be same WR w/o TFB and this offensive scheme. I don't see $$$ as an issue. He loves it here. If i were Brady I would make a pact w/ Welker (if it is legal) that he would get x amount of Million of dollars if he stay's w/ TFB for x amount of years The NFL doesn't need to know

How about cutting down on multiple Gifs as Sigs dude
...its a little annoying.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Real GMs absolutely do let good players, especially older ones, test the free agent markets all the time. Samuel, AV, McGinest, Givens, Watson, Graham, Woody--the list goes on and on.


Calling an argument crazy or a fantasy GM argument doesn't make it wrong.

Belichik used the franchise tag on both Samuel and AV, the others weren't worth it. Welker is worth tagging because of his productivity but the price is much more than he would demand which makes it nonsensical. It is nothing short of amazing how easily his contributions are ignored by this fan base. If being the most productive WR in football the previous 4 years isn't worth something then nothing is.

I'm really starting to wonder if messageboards should be broken up into forums for those who like football and those who like fantasy football, as the two are completely different, one worships the actual play and the other only fantasy numbers and make believe.

 

[Shelterdog]

Are you seriously comparing Graham Givens, Watson and Woody to Welker? If so that alone debunks your SOP claim, as none are in the ballpark only AV and W. Mac are of his stature, and they were much farther along in their careers than welker and were at the end not in their prime.

You forgot Samuel who they didn't resign and who hit free agency and left in 2008. Oh and Randy Moss who they let hit free agency in 2008. It sure looks like they would have let Seymour hit free agency in 2009 but they traded him first.

You don't know much about the team do you?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Real GMs absolutely do let good players, especially older ones, test the free agent markets all the time. Samuel, AV, McGinest, Givens, Watson, Graham, Woody--the list goes on and on.


Calling an argument crazy or a fantasy GM argument doesn't make it wrong.

Still waiting for that SOP list of key players allowed on the open market the last 5 years.

 

[Shelterdog]

Belichik used the franchise tag on both Samuel and AV, the others weren't worth it. Welker is worth tagging because of his productivity but the price is much more than he would demand which makes it nonsensical. It is nothing short of amazing how easily his contributions are ignored by this fan base. If being the most productive WR in football the previous 4 years isn't worth something then nothing is.

I'm really starting to wonder if messageboards should be broken up into forums for those who like football and those who like fantasy football, as the two are completely different, one worships the actual play and the other only fantasy numbers and make believe.

Only a drooling fantasy football idiot would think Welker has been the most productive wideout in football the last four years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You forgot Samuel who they didn't resign and who hit free agency and left in 2008. Oh and Randy Moss who they let hit free agency in 2008. It sure looks like they would have let Seymour hit free agency in 2009 but they traded him first.

You don't know much about the team do you?

Samuel was franchised, Seymour was traded, and Moss was re-signed. You really have no list and your SOP claim is BS. you apparently know nothing about the team or you would have know this.

If the Patriots franchise Welker and can't reach a deal then i'll be fine with that effort, it's certainly a hell of alot smarter than letting him walk as you would clearly like to see happen