The Worst Defense in the History of the World...

[Joker]

You are putting tonights win in the same category as the Jets, Steelers and Bears wins? You need your head examined.

Huh? What category do YOU put a win in?? The "might" loss category? Why are those three other wins suddenly reason to go beserk with these idiotic "might" theories, based on tonight's (here it comes, Captain Insano)..W-I-N

do you have a Planet Earth resident alien card or what?

 

[The Dynasty]

Calling this team's defense above average is overrating it.

I would say they are above average, but not even close to what other posters are proclaiming it to be.

 

[The Dynasty]

You are putting tonights win in the same category as the Jets, Steelers and Bears wins? You need your head examined.

Huh? What category do YOU put a win in?? The "might" loss category? Why are those three other wins suddenly reason to go beserk with these idiotic "might" theories, based on tonight's (here it comes, Captain Insano)..W-I-N

do you have a Planet Earth resident alien card or what?

The Jets, Steelers and Bears wins were the best wins of the season, where the team deserved to win and were clearly the better team on that given day. Can you honestly say the Patriots deserved to win tonight based on their play?

 

[Deus Irae]

I would say they are above average, but not even close to what other posters are proclaiming it to be.

It's, perhaps, the worst pass defense in the NFL, and a below average rushing defense. I'm not sure how that translates into being above average.

But, to each his own.

 

[The Dynasty]

It's, perhaps, the worst pass defense in the NFL, and a below average rushing defense. I'm not sure how that translates into being above average.

But, to each his own.

Based on statistics yes, but the 2 weeks prior to this would go completely against that. Stats I guess do not really tell the entire story. Is it possible to have the worst pass defense in the league and still have the best record? Is the offense that good?

 

[Joker]

The Jets, Steelers and Bears wins were the best wins of the season, where the team deserved to win and were clearly the better team on that given day. Can you honestly say the Patriots deserved to win tonight based on their play?

Amassing 31 points on the best D in the NFC that hasn't had more than 20 scored on it all season??? Not deserving??? Really...interesting... the field of moron research really is wide open and untapped as your every post so embarrassingly reveals...I'm already retired but some bright young guys could come along and really delve into this subject with the clinical precision it deserves.

In the meantime, you "might "have heard the last from me..you are too much like Steve From Fall River to devote even another millisecond of my time to.

 

[Deus Irae]

Based on statistics yes, but the 2 weeks prior to this would go completely against that. Stats I guess do not really tell the entire story.

Even bad teams/groups have some days that are better than others.

Is it possible to have the worst pass defense in the league and still have the best record?

Yes

Is the offense that good?

Yes

 

[The Dynasty]

Amassing 31 points on the best D in the NFC that hasn't had more than 20 scored on it all season??? Not deserving??? Really...interesting... the field of moron research really is wide open and untapped as your every post so embarrassingly reveals...I'm already retired but some bright young guys could come along and really delve into this subject with the clinical precision it deserves.

In the meantime, you "might "have heard the last from me..you are too much like Steve From Fall River to devote even another millisecond of my time to.

If you really look at it the Pats scored a TD on Arringtons INT, and then only had to go 4 yards after Connolly's return. So thats really only 17 points against the Packers defense. It was not as great of a performance as you and others are making it out to be.

 

[ausbacker]

Answer these questions for me. Was tonights game a step in the right direction for the defense? Shouldnt teams be improving from week to week, and not have let down games at the end of the year? If the Patriots defense/team played this way in the playoffs against the Colts, Jets, Ravens, Chiefs (all potential playoff opponents) do you think that would be good enough to win?

Given the Patriots have beaten all of the suggested teams you have named (with the exception of the Chiefs) I would suggest the Patriots would have a good shot of beating them all... again. They also have the displeasing ability to lose to all of them too.

You really don't have a point. That was obvious many pages ago.

 

[wizwor]

I'll have to watch the game again tonight. I didn't think the defense played that bad, but I was just watching. I thought some special teams lapses put them in bad positions and I thought the other team did some good things. Could be my jaded glasses.

I think the offense was not at its best last night. Seems to me that some of the points were put on the board by the defense and that the offense benefited from at least one stellar special teams effort.

I'd also guess that the coaching and preparation were less than perfect. I say this because 1) the Pats often underperform when facing a team/qb for the first time and there was little film on Flynn, and 2) because they were fooled by the onsides kick.

If you can concede that the offense wasn't firing on all cylindars, it's noteworthy that pundits warned that the defense would collapse under these circumstances. We won by stopping a final drive with both an interception and a sack/strip.

I think the young defense stepped up considering injuries -- both in terms of who was not available and the probable condition of some of the guys on the field (including their shutdown corner).

Oh, and I heard the other team was pretty good.

Our young defense survived injuries, a good team, special teams lapses, and a less than dominent offense to pull out a game that the Pats didn't really need to win. I'm OK with that.

 

[DarrylS]

Always amazed by the banter after a close game, there are only two stats that count in this league.. W's & L's... this is the same argument that commenced early in the season when there was the continual whine of where is the pass rush? And because BB did not know what this team was doing this would be a mediocre year..

Fast forward to game #14 last night, our D had significant problems as we were weak on the D line.. we did not have a lot of healthy bodies, to allow for a "fresh" rotation, they wore our guys down.. conversely on the O line, Connolly got hurt and we were thin there as well..

Here is a revelation.. good teams know how to win even if they are having a bad night.. there are no style points in the NFL..

This team put up 30 points on a team that only allows an average of 14.5..note the stat does not define if the D or O put up the points..

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Tonight showed that in the playoffs if the offense struggles the defense is really not capable of being able to pull put a win. I am assuming that the team the Pats face in the playoffs will not be playing with a quarterback making their first NFL start, and make them pay for their poor play at times.

Wat :bricks:

Tonight showed the exact opposite of that. The offense really scored 17 points. Another 7 came from a ridiculous ST play. The offense got to punch it in, but that was due to ST. And the defense got 7.

The defense played awful, but starting the 4th quarter, made a huge goal line stand to force GB to settle for a FG instead of a huge TD. In case you didn't notice, that difference was also the difference in the game.

The offense took over and kicked a field goal, but the team was still trailing.

The defense then shut down GB, forcing a 3-and-out.

The offense took over, and finally took the lead with a TD.

The defense then gave up one first down, then force a punt 3 plays later.

Then our offense went 3-and-out, setting up the final drive, where they managed to hold. The Packers ran 6 times for 23 yards. When passing, they went 3 for 4 for 22 yards, sacked twice, and had an INT called back. Hardly a poor performance.

The only reason it was so close to a TD was our offense's 3-and-out gave the ball back to GB at their own 43.

When the defense dominates, you complain they can't win a close game. When they get tested throughout a close game, you complain that they can't win when the offense is off. But they did. How you can make that claim after last night is beyond me. It was ugly, no doubt. But they turned it around in the 4th quarter of a close game and found a way.

You can say they sucked. Just don't say they can't win when the offense struggles RIGHT AFTER WE ALL SAW THEM DO IT.

 

[FalconHeavy]

one good thing is that the media will start ball wa****** of the jets now that they won in Pitt and we had a win a hard fought game against a rookie nonetheless.

I say we fly under the radar for the next few games or so Bill has enough ammunition for the film room for it

 

[Ring 6]

Answer these questions for me. Was tonights game a step in the right direction for the defense? Shouldnt teams be improving from week to week, and not have let down games at the end of the year? If the Patriots defense/team played this way in the playoffs against the Colts, Jets, Ravens, Chiefs (all potential playoff opponents) do you think that would be good enough to win?

I thought you would be very pleased with this game, since your complaint has been they havent had to hold a lead in a close game.
Wasnt this exactly what you said you were worried they never did?

 

[PatsFan2]

Well they had Three pretty Good guys Out! who plays in the D-line rotation nuff said!

 

[Ring 6]

Tonight showed that in the playoffs if the offense struggles the defense is really not capable of being able to pull put a win. I am assuming that the team the Pats face in the playoffs will not be playing with a quarterback making their first NFL start, and make them pay for their poor play at times.

How could a game where the offense struggle and the defense pulled out a win be proof that if the offense struggles the defense wont pull out a win?

 

[Ring 6]

The Jets, Steelers and Bears wins were the best wins of the season, where the team deserved to win and were clearly the better team on that given day. Can you honestly say the Patriots deserved to win tonight based on their play?

Of course they deserved to win, because they won.
Explain to me how the PAckers were more deserving of winnng this game, by losing it.

 

[weswelker#83]

It was a very good rehearsal game for the playoffs.

Get ready for tougher games ahead.

 

[Kontradiction]

The opposing quarterback's ability to routinely find the soft spots and holes in the zone defense is getting more and more alarming as the season goes on. Matt Flynn, of all people, was finding them with startling regularity last night.

 

[PrairiePat]

This team has a knack for rising to the challenge against the league's best, and looking very pedestrian when they're supposed to be big favorites. I'm sure this has a lot to do with the average age of the team and maturity and all that. Once it was announced that Rogers was out, I knew this would be a struggle, because that little bit of complacency sets in.

In the end, the D made some big plays and held on to the lead, something that will build confidence for the inevitable close playoff games ahead. Any ego trips that the D might have been on were also dispelled last night, hopefully.

I'm just glad that (a) they won the game, and (b) this happened NOW, and not during the playoffs.

A game like this also has the added benefit of lowering expectations a bit and giving BB more fodder to motivate the troops. Besides all the things on the game tape that can be used as 'teaching' points this week, there are all those nice sound bites coming from the Packers that the Pats really aren't all that good a team. I love hearing stuff like that ..