The lousy corner thread (Wilhite & Bodden) merged

[Keegs]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

I don't think Wilhite is that lousy. On many plays he is in the defenders face when they make a great catch on an absolutely perfect throw. He seems to be out of position just as often as any good corner in the league. And on big plays he's right there in the WR's face.

He's either the most unlucky corner in the nfl, or he does a great job of acting.

I think "Wilhite sucking" is more a product of our DLine getting no pressure whatsoever.

 

[Patspsycho]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

I think "Wilhite sucking" is more a product of our DLine getting no pressure whatsoever.

That was the case on monday night. You give a NFL QB all day to throw and he will carve up any secondary.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

IMO, the secondary just looked worse than they have since last season, so the secondary definantly is part of the problem in that game.

With that said, that was the worst game I've seen in over a year, I kno they're better. However to me, Wilhite sucks. He constantly is running after his receiver, never turns around to swat or pick the ball. He's a nickel at best and identifying this will help this defense no doubt, so that's fixable.

what isn't is the pass rush. What we saw monday is what we saw all season. We said all along a lack of pass rush will not beat the elite offenses, period.I don't know what this team can do to fix the issue this season, I really don't. It's December, and by now BB has seen everything he has. At this point it's going to take miracle coaching to generate some form of pass rush.

 

[maverick4]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

I still can't figure out if Wilhite is bad or just unlucky.

The past few weeks he's given up catches that I would say were just unstoppable throws by Brees/Manning and amazing catches by the receiver. The coverage was tight too.

 

[JAYHAWKS34]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

While I do not want to be another person to nit pick and look for negatives after a nice win, I am starting to question Wilhite's ability.

It seemed to me that in the Colt's game, Manning found the weak link in our secondary... Wilhite.

Manning seemingly picked on him all night and regularly abused the kid. Then in the Jets game, it seemed as though to me that Wilhite was once again getting beat with somewhat regularity when Sanchez wasn't throwing int's to Bodden or getting hit.

Am I crazy here or is Wilhite reminding anyone else of a certain Eagle CB who is now on IR?

I guess it will always be "what have you done for me lately"

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

I love the ironies in this thread. When teams had all day to throw against Hobbs, it was Hobbs' fault that he was getting beat, even though he wasn't even the one who got beat on many of the passes, because it was poor safety play on over-the-top defensive calls. Now, however, when Wilhite and Bodden are getting beat, it's the fault of the pass rush.

Between this nonsense and the blaming of the O.C. for every offensive ill, this fan base is beginning to make Jets fans look sane and knowledgeable.

 

[sieglo]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

I don't think Wilhite is that lousy. On many plays he is in the defenders face when they make a great catch on an absolutely perfect throw. He seems to be out of position just as often as any good corner in the league. And on big plays he's right there in the WR's face.

He's either the most unlucky corner in the nfl, or he does a great job of acting.

Wilhite's issue is that he doesn't look back for the ball. He keeps coverage, but receivers keep making plays because Wilhite doesn't know when the ball is arriving.

 

[brady et al fan]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

Wilhite's issue is that he doesn't look back for the ball. He keeps coverage, but receivers keep making plays because Wilhite doesn't know when the ball is arriving.

I think its that he is lousy. Good qbs are picking on him because they know that. It doesn't mean he gets beat every time (and Brees was unstoppable Mon night) but all season long it has regularly been Wilhite who's man makes the play on a TD or critical 3rd down. I'm not in the business of breaking down film to evaluate his technique but he's not good. He's a nickle back at best right now.

 

[fumbrunner]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

I love the ironies in this thread. When teams had all day to throw against Hobbs, it was Hobbs' fault that he was getting beat, even though he wasn't even the one who got beat on many of the passes, because it was poor safety play on over-the-top defensive calls. Now, however, when Wilhite and Bodden are getting beat, it's the fault of the pass rush.

Between this nonsense and the blaming of the O.C. for every offensive ill, this fan base is beginning to make Jets fans look sane and knowledgeable.

Figured I'd see the Hobbs apologists coming out. The problem with Hobbs is that he was pencilled in as a #1 corner after Asante left for greener pastures. He has the skill set of a nickel back, which I believe is what he is playing on the Eagles. But to defend his inadequacies (and there are many) by blaming safety play or schemes, is a bit off. He had trouble breaking on the ball on soft coverages and was consistently beat deep against taller receivers. I admire his play through injuries, etc. But give me a break. I'll take Bodden and Butler over Hobbs any day. The pass rush is a real issue.

 

[BAM!]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

I guess it will always be "what have you done for me lately"

You can not continue to allow receivers to catch the ball against you and seriously be considered a starting NFL corner. As someone else said in this thread, either he just isn't getting his head turned around to see the flight of the ball (hopefully that's the problem and is correctable) or he's just the unluckiest corner in the league.

This has been an ongoing problem for Wilhite for the past month. This isn't a "what have you done for me lately" scenario. He should be progressing not regressing, which he is currently doing.

Watch the games and you will constantly see the back of Wilhite's jersey as another pass is completed against him or he is chasing his receiver he is supposed to be covering into the end zone.

 

[sbpatfan]

It's easy for good QBs to abuse cornerbacks when they go untouched all night. I saw Brees hit the ground.. once or twice maybe? And by that time it didn't even matter.

The defense sucked that game.. the corners did not play well. But the loss isn't only on them. Quarterbacks like Brees and Manning have to be hit. The pressure was pitiful.

 

[Roland]

I think a few things are misssing in the cornerback discussion.

One, is that overall with the increase of nickel and dime packages there are more secondary players in the league right now than in the past. So the competition for players waters down the position - this is what we are seeing. The old Patriots would be in a nickle on obvious third down passing plays. Now we are seeing the team play in a nickel or big nickel most of the game. The talent is watered down - at least for the moment.

Also - the Patriots allot money for positions - it's their value system which I don't know about enough to explain other than I know it exists. So we have more secondary players sharing the same pool of money. This goes aong with the position being watered down. Overall, our secondary is still pretty darn good but we will always have weak corners unless Bill decides to be weaker in another area and spend more on the secondary.

 

[Kdo5]

If someone can get pressure on the QB, our CBs probably wont look so sucky anymore.

 

[maverick4]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

Between this nonsense... this fan base is beginning to make Jets fans look sane and knowledgeable.

Coming from one of the biggest clowns on this board, I'm sure many would take this as a compliment.

 

[primetime]

Using advanced metrics Bodden is hovering around top-5 in the league and only had Brees connect with two throws against him, while all but one of his incompletions were thrown at Bodden

ProFootballFocus.com - By Position

Bodden is 7th best in percentage caught, 31st in average yards, 5th for passes defensed, 3rd in passer rating. Considering the lack of pressure the pass rush is generating that is pretty phenomenal; he also has 5 INTs which isn't bad (though three were gift-wrapped by Sanchez)

It's the other side of the field that is mediocre, though Butler's metrics aren't bad at all for a rookie

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: The lousy corner thread ( Wilhite & Bodden) merged

Figured I'd see the Hobbs apologists coming out. The problem with Hobbs is that he was pencilled in as a #1 corner after Asante left for greener pastures. He has the skill set of a nickel back, which I believe is what he is playing on the Eagles. But to defend his inadequacies (and there are many) by blaming safety play or schemes, is a bit off. He had trouble breaking on the ball on soft coverages and was consistently beat deep against taller receivers. I admire his play through injuries, etc.

I love this, since you're making my point exactly:

But to defend his inadequacies (and there are many) by blaming safety play or schemes, is a bit off.

But give me a break. I'll take Bodden and Butler over Hobbs any day. The pass rush is a real issue.

Even in a post trying to refute what I'm saying, you're reinforcing it instead.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Our secondary was exposed. But the Saints are one of the best offenses in the league this year so it's not too surprising what they were able to do. Give some credit to the Saints and their coach. Their offensive schemes were pretty brilliant.

That being said there were a lot of mistakes made, such as the one that left a safety one on one against deep running wide receiver routes and another one were the receiver was completely uncovered. A better pass rush would have made it more difficult on Brees as well, but that didn't happen. All in all, it was a humbling experience that I hope the defense can learn from. They've got a LONG ways to go!