Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by teams]

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Um, why does Belichick work? Why do the Krafts work? Why do all NFL head coaches work? Don't they have families too?

Bill has a family that has gone through a divorce in part because of the committment coaching at the NFL level demands. Kraft's kids are all grown and working in his various businesses. Charlie has a son in HS he had planned on attending ND and a severely disabled daughter. Relatively speaking he's been enjoying the good life in football terms for 4-5 years now. College coaches don't put in nearly the hours NFL coaches do because of the restrictions on their players, and they are treated like campus gods (until they start to pile up losses...).

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Where did BB surface after Cleveland, right back with Parcells. I think that turned out to be a pretty good move for him.

With that said, offense is not this team's problem! Defense has been the issue for the past three seasons. They have let teams back into games in the second half for years. They never have seemed to have that killer instinct that the offense has.

That was a long time ago, when young HC's weren't making the kind of $$$ those gigs pay today in college let alone the pros. BB was a young man, not yet 40, looking to rebound from his first failed foray into the ranks so he'd have a future still. He went back to what he knew because he couldn't afford another mistake like working for Art Modell.

 

[Patspsycho]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

(Read Pepper Johnson's book on the Pats to find out the brutal hours these guys put in)

What's the name of that book?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

What's the name of that book?

Amazon.com: Won for All : The Inside Story of the New England Patriots' Improbable Run to The Super Bowl (9780071408776): Pepper Johnson, Bill Gutman: Books

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Charlie will not return here. Anything less than another ring would be chalked up as a failure on his part. One place he could contribute value would be as OC for the Cows. He's a strong personality and Romo the rongheaded (sic) could benefit from Charlie's talents. But ask yourself why does a multimillionaire with way more than 10 million dollars need a job working over 80 hours a week? (Read Pepper Johnson's book on the Pats to find out the brutal hours these guys put in) Charlie's young family with a developmently disabled child could use lots of parenting. Given financial security exceeding that in the top 1%, that's a choice to consider.

there are a lot of answers to that question and they all have the common thread of "everybody is different." Age also has a lot to do with it.

$10 big ones to the vast, vast majority of folks is a dream and so it's hard to understand how it couldn't be enough. But a lot of wealthy people want to live on the interest and preserve the principal for future generations or charity. So, with the stock market perceived as extremely volatile, those people look at a safe, two percent after tax return on $10mil as $200,000 and decide they want to live on more. That's just how they see it.

Others are driven to succeed at a very high level. Others just like working and don't know what to do with their free time when they have it. The richest guy I know as a close friend is probably worth $150 or so, but he works and travels incessantly because he wants to for a combination of those reasons.

So, we might not all understand the people I describe above or feel that they're not living life to the fullest as we would define "fullest," but that's just the way they are.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

I have watched the Irish all season and on the offensive side of the ball Charlie still has it... in fact, one could argue that's he's been better working with the college offense than he did with the Pats. Either way, after seeing some dubious playcalling by the Pats O this year I wouldn't mind having him back. But you have to think that with millions falling out of his pocket he'd be smart to take a year off and regain his health and get back down to just being obese (instead of morbidly obese like he is now.)

Frankly, he does great things with QB's. Ego wise I don't think he'll come back to the Pats. If you recall Parcells considered himself a "rebuilder" and for the most part he was. I think Weis thinks of himself more as a Parcells type than a Belichick type. For those "rebuilder" type ego reasons I could see him going to the Cowboys to rebuild Romo or possibly KC to work with Cassell. In both cases you have Pats connections (Cassell - former Patriot; Cowboys - probably Parcells could put in a good word still).

Parcell's and Charlie were estranged longer than Parcell's and BB. Tuna stripped him of his playcalling duties when he was in NY. Routinely berated him in front of the staff.
Charlie testified against the JETS in Belichick's case to get out of his contract without compensation.

That said, the ego is similar but absent the cache I could not see him in Dallas. Remember how Tuna's ego chaffed a veteran team - that is one reason he moves on. Their approach is a tough sell at this financial level... And Jerry and Tuna struggled to co exist due to ego too.

Definitely a possibility in KC since Pioli is trying to install the system and his HC is an emotional profanity laced screamer himself now stretched thin trying to be OC and HC. Eric and Lerner are likely considering whether Charlie could save Eric's ass and salvage Quinn, too, only they are in an organizational flux and since the taping of defensive signals assisted the offense here Charlie may have no desire to save Eric's ass...

Charlie might hold out for an assistant HC title as an overseer of an offense although that kind of leverage could pose a threat to some of the struggling HC's who could potentially really use him...

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Question. If it was answered above, I apologize for missing it. Under Charlie's contract, does anyone know what happens to the $15--18 million that ND owes him if he goes to work for an NFL team?

 

[PatriotsInGA]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Hey why not fire Pees and pick up Romeo? Get the family back together?

 

[Patstopia]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Charlie was a heck of a OC and was responsible for making some of the most average recievers the patriots have had into winners. Sure he wasnt involved in 2007, but who cares. I would trade 2007 and all the records for a SB!

That being said, I don't think he would come here. It would be fun though to see what he would cook up for the offense we have now.

 

[pats1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Bill has a family that has gone through a divorce in part because of the committment coaching at the NFL level demands. Kraft's kids are all grown and working in his various businesses. Charlie has a son in HS he had planned on attending ND and a severely disabled daughter. Relatively speaking he's been enjoying the good life in football terms for 4-5 years now. College coaches don't put in nearly the hours NFL coaches do because of the restrictions on their players, and they are treated like campus gods (until they start to pile up losses...).

I think you're still missing the point though. Most NFL personnel - players, executives, coaches - are all paid very well, and most have young children. They all put in long hours. I just don't see how having children, having money, and having to work long hours is something new. Charlie's situation isn't unique.

 

[pats1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Schefter is reporting Weis has said he has been contacted by NFL teams regarding OC jobs.

Report: Weis already being contacted by NFL teams | ProFootballTalk.com

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Um, why does Belichick work? Why do the Krafts work? Why do all NFL head coaches work? Don't they have families too?

Charlie would be doing just another 'do over' as an OC here. Been there, done that. Why have a job just to have one in his unusual circumstances?

The only type of NFL OC position that could lead to terra nova as an NFL HC with a reasonable expectation of success would be one like that at Dallas as a Romo rehab, winning playoff games by scoring lots of points.

 

[pats1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Charlie would be doing just another 'do over' as an OC here. Been there, done that. Why have a job just to have one in his unusual circumstances?

I disagree to an extent. Winning another ring isn't just a "do over."

The only type of NFL OC position that could lead to terra nova as an NFL HC with a reasonable expectation of success would be one like that at Dallas as a Romo rehab, winning playoff games by scoring lots of points.

I don't buy into the whole "reclamation project" jobs as being so appealing. If I were Charlie, I would go to a team where I know I could have success and win another Super Bowl, not a team where I would have to start from ground zero just to "prove myself."

Hell, it was winning Super Bowls that got Charlie the ND job in the first place.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

I made a thread about this weeks ago about "CHARLIE getting fired and hopefully signs w/ the PATS".... and ppl gave me crap for it.....



guess what hypocrites??? Looks like all indications are Weis will be fired and acquire a NFL O-Coordinator job.


just letting ppl know- "told you so"


Hypocrites make me smile

 

[JDSal45]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

I made a thread about this weeks ago about "CHARLIE getting fired and hopefully signs w/ the PATS".... and ppl gave me crap for it.....



guess what hypocrites??? Looks like all indications are Weis will be fired and acquire a NFL O-Coordinator job.


just letting ppl know- "told you so"


Hypocrites make me smile

I wasn't one who gave you crap but just for the record Shefter is indicating the jobs he is being contacted for are for next season.

J D Sal

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

I made a thread about this weeks ago about "CHARLIE getting fired and hopefully signs w/ the PATS".... and ppl gave me crap for it.....



guess what hypocrites??? Looks like all indications are Weis will be fired and acquire a NFL O-Coordinator job.


just letting ppl know- "told you so"


Hypocrites make me smile

I'm not a hypocrite. I think this thread is equally pointless.

 

[pats1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

I'm not a hypocrite. I think this thread is equally pointless.

Care to elaborate?

 

[pats1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' Thing Really Happen?

We don't want him back. Trust me. I've been following the Irish.

Irrelevant. Apparently you didn't follow the Patriots from 2000-2004.

 

[pats1]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

Where did BB surface after Cleveland, right back with Parcells. I think that turned out to be a pretty good move for him.

With that said, offense is not this team's problem! Defense has been the issue for the past three seasons. They have let teams back into games in the second half for years. They never have seemed to have that killer instinct that the offense has.

While I agree that defense was a problem 2005-2008, I don't think it's as big of an issue this year.

If anything, it's the offense that lets teams back into it in the second half. That's when the Patriots should be running the ball, and they haven't been able to do that as well as they did in 2001-2004.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

I'm not a hypocrite. I think this thread is equally pointless.

I did not make it Kon but you were one of the many that put my idea down.


ironic how another one gets created when Charlie is on his way out the door.




An NFL Coordinator does not lose his talent by coaching NCAA for years(Charlie)....

It is like riding a bicycle... and you do not lose that memory and experience by going elsewhere. Charlie made it in the BIG TIME w/ the Patriots. He will not lose a beat, pardon the cliche.... but he can come back and be a very effective O-Coordinator for New England.